Latest from George Anthony 1-2-09 at 11:58 PM

[RR0004]

Like LP says, she lives her life 10 minutes at a time. She never had to have an exit plan before, her mom and dad always provided her with one before. Why would this time be any different?

...and it was very obvious she couldn't legitimately take care of herself...yet alone a child.

 

[SuziQ]

PH...no flames. But, do you remember the date of the letter to Beary requesting to meet with her father? Was it before the GJ met? And what do you think by her refusing to see him? Could she have been trying to pull his strings? Show him that in spite of what every one thought, SHE still had control behind bars?

I don't know if it was before the GJ because we don't have the dates they were meeting. I think it was merely JB got wind of it and put a stop to it.

 

[eddeva]

Like LP says, she lives her life 10 minutes at a time. She never had to have an exit plan before, her mom and dad always provided her with one before. Why would this time be any different?

you're right. it wouldn't be any different. killing her child is no different to a 'mistruth' or any other little theft or some such faux pas to casey. i was thinking like a human again. she doesn't.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

you're right, and casey had no way of knowing that cindy would expode AND had the car.




you know it's always bothered me that casey had no 'escape plan'. i mean how did she think she was gonna get away with this exactly??
but it could be just that simple. maybe she thought that mommy and daddy would clean up her mess - lie that casey's daddy had come for her and who could prove otherwise? who would even try to?
maybe that was as close to a plan as casey ever got - except cindy flipped her noodle and called the cops about the car, which she had and casey didn't know that.


i'm going mad aren't i.

No - just feels that way because we don't want to accept that a little child could've actually just disappeared. It's just so overwhelmingly sad. Do I think the A's would have covered up Caylee's disappearance ? Without a doubt.

 

[SuziQ]

...and it was very obvious she couldn't legitimately take care of herself...yet alone a child.

And the A's knew this. Cindy was in the process of figuring out how to get custody of Caylee. They expect us to believe KC was mother of the year? Please......

That's what pisses me off, is that the A's and the defense team expects us to believe things they don't even believe themselves. Everyone ought to be offended at the idea that they think we are stupid enough to buy it, and that's exactly what they are banking on. And sadly, there are plenty of buyers.

 

[SuziQ]

you're right. it wouldn't be any different. killing her child is no different to a 'mistruth' or any other little theft or some such faux pas to casey. i was thinking like a human again. she doesn't.

I believe that sociopath's have no soul, and that makes them not human.

 

[RR0004]

I don't know if it was before the GJ because we don't have the dates they were meeting. I think it was merely JB got wind of it and put a stop to it.

That's what I always thought, but just maybe it was sending good 'ole dad a message.

 

[ThoughtElf]

So, why didn't Casey confess to George while she was out on bond?

Great question.

Couple of hypotheticals:

1. she did, which accounts for the night GA stormed off towards the remains site on foot, only to be hauled in by LA
2. she didn't, which also accounts for the same scenario listed in 1 above, because GA was just so frustrated with the lies
3. she didn't, because CA was all up in her face at all times (you're so doing the brownies wrong for JB, Sweetheart.)

I don't discount in any way that GA hasn't stepped up, and the whole gas can story does bug me still.

But, my observation is still that if anyone could have/DID crack KC, it would have been GA.

(Note that I am still not sure that didn't happen, I just want to throw it out there that MOO is that KC is in reality more effected by GA than by either LA or CA.)

It doesn't alter many other beliefs I have, it just factors in that I think GA is the person I believe KC was most 'moved by' post July 15th. FWIW.

 

[marla]

Great question.

Couple of hypotheticals:

1. she did, which accounts for the night GA stormed off towards the remains site on foot, only to be hauled in by LA
2. she didn't, which also accounts for the same scenario listed in 1 above, because GA was just so frustrated with the lies
3. she didn't, because CA was all up in her face at all times (you're so doing the brownies wrong for JB, Sweetheart.)

I don't discount in any way that GA hasn't stepped up, and the whole gas can story does bug me still.

But, my observation is still that if anyone could have/DID crack KC, it would have been GA.

(Note that I am still not sure that didn't happen, I just want to throw it out there that MOO is that KC is in reality more effected by GA than by either LA or CA.)

It doesn't alter many other beliefs I have, it just factors in that I think GA is the person I believe KC was most 'moved by' post July 15th. FWIW.

IF .. key word here ..

The only thing that "moves" Casey is, her own two feet ..

 

[ThoughtElf]

PH...no flames. But, do you remember the date of the letter to Beary requesting to meet with her father? Was it before the GJ met? And what do you think by her refusing to see him? Could she have been trying to pull his strings? Show him that in spite of what every one thought, SHE still had control behind bars?

I was hoping you Super Brains would step in here, because I so rarely post a definitive thought, and I need you power analytical posters I respect to challenge that.

I'll have to go search to validate this, but IIRC, the Beary letter was long, long before the GJ. (I will go look for dates and edit this later.)

KC could/was indeed have been trying to pull GA's strings, but, again, IIRC, this was a good 1.5 mos. before the GJ was called, so this is the singular and rare circumstance where I have to question my own desire to bash the A's indescriminately. (And you know I usually do.)

For clarity, before I lose what little credibility I have as a critical thinker, I am not putting it out there that I don't question GA's actions, statements or activities.

My Key-note take-away is that I noted that KC's reactions and behaviors with GA seemed significantly different from her responses with CA and LA.

 

[eddeva]

the letter to beary was august 14th.

 

[ThoughtElf]

the letter to beary was august 14th.

TY, Eddy.

 

[shadow of my mind]

Great question.

Couple of hypotheticals:

1. she did, which accounts for the night GA stormed off towards the remains site on foot, only to be hauled in by LA
2. she didn't, which also accounts for the same scenario listed in 1 above, because GA was just so frustrated with the lies
3. she didn't, because CA was all up in her face at all times (you're so doing the brownies wrong for JB, Sweetheart.)

I don't discount in any way that GA hasn't stepped up, and the whole gas can story does bug me still.

But, my observation is still that if anyone could have/DID crack KC, it would have been GA.
(Note that I am still not sure that didn't happen, I just want to throw it out there that MOO is that KC is in reality more effected by GA than by either LA or CA.)

It doesn't alter many other beliefs I have, it just factors in that I think GA is the person I believe KC was most 'moved by' post July 15th. FWIW.

Bolded by me.


If .... Casey is BPD then I agree that GA may have been the one to get her to say something that would have been helpful in getting to the truth and finding Caylee's body many months ago.

The person who is the BPD tries the hardest with the one who is the least willing to buy into their line of BS. As long as that person does not outright confront them with their lies which causes them to 'split' [you become someone they deem as an enemy and one they will no longer speak to] they can, by being just a clever with words as the BPD person is, get them talking and in that conversation gleen many bits and pieces of, in the end, what is actually the truth.
You have to stroke their ego while agreeing with them but make sure that you don't fully agree with them so they contiune to attempt to convinice you that they are in fact correct and know everything and you just need to believe them because they are this really special gifted talented all knowing person who would never lie to you.

Sorta of kinda of like using reverse psychology with a twist.
Very hard to do and not loose your own mind while doing it.

 

[RR0004]

I was hoping you Super Brains would step in here, because I so rarely post a definitive thought, and I need you power analytical posters I respect to challenge that.

I'll have to go search to validate this, but IIRC, the Beary letter was long, long before the GJ. (I will go look for dates and edit this later.)

KC could/was indeed have been trying to pull GA's strings, but, again, IIRC, this was a good 1.5 mos. before the GJ was called, so this is the singular and rare circumstance where I have to question my own desire to bash the A's indescriminately. (And you know I usually do.)

For clarity, before I lose what little credibility I have as a critical thinker, I am not putting it out there that I don't question GA's actions, statements or activities.

My Key-note take-away is that I noted that KC's reactions and behaviors with GA seemed significantly different from her responses with CA and LA.

Thanks...she was out of jail not much after this...so not sure what she could have possibly said to him then that she may have in fact said later at home. Maybe she was trying to make him feel like cr*p so he'd work a little bit harder in getting her out. You see, I'm of the mindset at that point in time, Casey was out for Casey.

 

[jujube]

in the thread listing...it says 08...it needs to be changed to 09

Thanks, I changed it.

KC could/was indeed have been trying to pull GA's strings, but, again, IIRC, this was a good 1.5 mos. before the GJ was called, so this is the singular and rare circumstance where I have to question my own desire to bash the A's indescriminately. (And you know I usually do.)

For clarity, before I lose what little credibility I have as a critical thinker, I am not putting it out there that I don't question GA's actions, statements or activities.

My Key-note take-away is that I noted that KC's reactions and behaviors with GA seemed significantly different from her responses with CA and LA.

Ok, first off, I'm not a super brain.

I think that KC does respond differently to George because he's her daddy. KC's maturity seems to have stopped at a very young age - it's at the "all about me stage that you see in toddlers and then again flares for a brief time when kids become teens.

When girls are at this age,if there has been upheaval-and God knows in this family there probably was- the Electra complex comes into play. He's her daddy/subconscious lover and she reacts to him in a like manner.

Mostly I think Freud was full of it and a perv, but he did make some valid observations. While wikipedia is not the definitive source for anything, it does have a good explanation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electra_complex

"Daddy Issues" in American urban slang refers broadly to the long-term influence exerted by a woman's father-daughter relationship in childhood. The phrase encapsulates the belief that turbulence, abuse, or negligence in the relationship with one's father results in troubled and insecure relationships with all men in adulthood. Women who are sex workers are often stereotyped as having "daddy issues."

 

[eddeva]

the Electra complex comes into play. He's her daddy/subconscious lover and she reacts to him in a like manner.

isn't that based on 'penis envy'? i'm sorry but i truly believe that no such thing exists.

 

[ThoughtElf]

Bolded by me.


If .... Casey is BPD then I agree that GA may have been the one to get her to say something that would have been helpful in getting to the truth and finding Caylee's body many months ago.

The person who is the BPD tries the hardest with the one who is the least willing to buy into their line of BS. As long as that person does not outright confront them with their lies which causes them to 'split' [you become someone they deem as an enemy and one they will no longer speak to] they can, by being just a clever with words as the BPD person is, get them talking and in that conversation gleen many bits and pieces of, in the end, what is actually the truth.
You have to stroke their ego while agreeing with them but make sure that you don't fully agree with them so they contiune to attempt to convinice you that they are in fact correct and know everything and you just need to believe them because they are this really special gifted talented all knowing person who would never lie to you.

Sorta of kinda of like using reverse psychology with a twist.
Very hard to do and not loose your own mind while doing it.

Here is where I need your further input:

"BPD" is too often interchangeable?

Depending on the poster, and their experience, it can mean that KC has been dx'ed with either:
1. Bi-Polar Disorder
OR
2. Borderline Personality Disorder

Either can be applied to your insightful post, as there are similarities in characteristics in either diagnosis, but with different interpretations based on relevant symptomology in this case?

I get very confused by psych acronyms used here, as I am sure others do.

Do we have specific acronyms for Bi-Polar, Borderline Personality Disorder, Sociopath, Psychopath, Narcissist, etc. ?

 

[ThoughtElf]

Thanks...she was out of jail not much after this...so not sure what she could have possibly said to him then that she may have in fact said later at home. Maybe she was trying to make him feel like cr*p so he'd work a little bit harder in getting her out. You see, I'm of the mindset at that point in time, Casey was out for Casey.

Agree, with one addition:

I think KC has ALWAYS been out for KC.

I'd still like your thoughts on whether you think LA or GA would have had a better chance at getting KC to talk - whether she did or didn't.

Based upon your perception, would KC have been more likely to confide in GA or LA?

 

[ThoughtElf]

Thanks, I changed it.




Ok, first off, I'm not a super brain.

I think that KC does respond differently to George because he's her daddy. KC's maturity seems to have stopped at a very young age - it's at the "all about me stage that you see in toddlers and then again flares for a brief time when kids become teens.

When girls are at this age,if there has been upheaval-and God knows in this family there probably was- the Electra complex comes into play. He's her daddy/subconscious lover and she reacts to him in a like manner.

Mostly I think Freud was full of it and a perv, but he did make some valid observations. While wikipedia is not the definitive source for anything, it does have a good explanation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electra_complex

"Daddy Issues" in American urban slang refers broadly to the long-term influence exerted by a woman's father-daughter relationship in childhood. The phrase encapsulates the belief that turbulence, abuse, or negligence in the relationship with one's father results in troubled and insecure relationships with all men in adulthood. Women who are sex workers are often stereotyped as having "daddy issues."

LOLOLOL.

Yes. You get it.

That said, who do you believe KC would be more likely to have confided in early on - LA or GA?

 

[eddeva]

Here is where I need your further input:

"BPD" is too often interchangeable?

Depending on the poster, and their experience, it can mean that KC has been dx'ed with either:
1. Bi-Polar Disorder
OR
2. Borderline Personality Disorder

Either can be applied to your insightful post, as there are similarities in characteristics in either diagnosis, but with different interpretations based on relevant symptomology in this case?

I get very confused by psych acronyms used here, as I am sure others do.

Do we have specific acronyms for Bi-Polar, Borderline Personality Disorder, Sociopath, Psychopath, Narcissist, etc. ?

mmm, i've come across this before. the usual abbrs are:

bipolar = BP

borderline personality disorder = BPD

narcissistic personality disorder = NPD

and the rest i've never seen shortened, except of course for 'psycho'