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If I had to guess, it would most likely be because the person responsible is his daughter. I'm trying to think how I might react in the same situation. And while I would understand and want justice for my grand-daughter, my position would be far different and more difficult than the general public with many more distressing emotions complicating how I felt and reacted. Simply put - while I might need justice for what happened to my grand-daughter, I would be completely heartbroken that it was my daughter who had committed the crime, and I doubt I could be out publicly demanding that they string her up. I would understand that my daughter will be punished to the full extent of the law in due time and that my grand-daughter would never be coming home again, but I think I would be too busy dealing with my own [and my family's] emotional roller coaster to get out and satisfy the public by calling for my daughter's head on a platter.

Don't get me wrong, I think Casey should rot in jail for what she's done. I just don't think that we can even imagine what it's like to be in George and Cindy's shoes. While they were indeed in denial, I don't think they're stupid enough to believe that Casey will wiggle out of this. I think they know justice will be served. They've not only lost their precious grandbaby, but their daughter as well... even if they continued to visit and support her - she's gone for life imo. And that is like another death of sorts. I know we couldn't care less, and that she should experience every sordid aspect of jail for the rest of her life, but emotions get more sticky when you're as close to the situation as the Anthony's are.

Very good insight here. In fact, I think GA acutally stated that "I know my daughter is going to be in jail for a very long time." He just didn't want to believe it would be for murder. He loves casey but he knows what she has done. I think he blames himself for how she turned out. I feel so sorry for him.
 
Wow. While spoiling and enblaing a child can contribute to a deeply flawed kid, their are thousands who parent the same way and such kids do not become babykillers. How you can blame the death of Caylee on the parents due to their enabling of casey is beyond me. She is an adult and has freewill. Further, we do not know all they have done to try to deal with casey. It seems CA went to counseling and threatened to take custody of Caylee at one point. I also think that CA confronted casey is a very strong way on June 15th about her shenanigans, perhaps giving ultimatums and even choking her kid in anger. Many of us believe that was the last straw for their monster daughter who then killed the baby in retalitation so they are really damned in they do and damned if they don't. Finally, CA DID call the police on casey and attempt to turn her in for car theft before she realized Caylee was missing. Yes, they made mistakes and they mishandled their daughter, both before and after the murder. But, they are human AND, they were not the one's who cold-bloodedly snuffed out the light of that precious child - casey did. Seems extraordinarily harsh to blame the grandparents for the actions of their monster.


Frankly, I think it would have been far more sensible for CA to call the police on Casey, than to choke her. The kind of mother that chokes a daughter??? You really don't think having the sort of mother that chokes you when she is angry at you might teach you to be abusive towards your child too? From what I understand, this sort of behaviour often runs through families. IMO, it is not a big step between choking your daughter and killing her, in fact, you are taking the chance you will kill her when you choke her.

And, I'm not saying all people with abusive parents kill children. But I sure think C & G have contributed to who Casey became.
 
Maybe I did not make myself clear in my other post. I DO NOT think the A's should be held responsible for the crime their daughter committed, but I do feel they should be held responsible for their actions SINCE that time. Initially, yes, by ca's calls to 911, she acting as anyone would. After that - they went into PROTECT CASEY at all costs mode. They created a media frenzy to put reasonable doubt in the mind of any juror (Caylee sightings, the "proof" of innocense that was supposed to come out at trial). She was in lock up and still, "sweetie, darling" please it made me sick. The obstruction of the investigation is what they should be held responsible for. Maybe they did try to get her help, that is something we will never know, BUT what has come to light is they kept their eyes closed to what that girl was doing. They believed her because it was the easier way to handle her. They too, are guilty of neglecting poor Caylee. I do feel for them, they have lost so much thoughout this. As I stated before, it is just so hard to show them sympathy.

We can agree to disagree. I do not see any proof that they with held evidence or covered anything up. Even the investigators have stated they have been cooperative and have done nothing wrong. I tend to side more with them as opposed to blogging hypotheticals. Even my husband felt initially that perhaps Casey sold Caylee...so there were other possibilities that existed in the early days and the family shouldn't be penalized because they just could never imagine their own child murdering their own grandchild...for that matter, we the general public cannot imagine this....so how do you think the actual parents of that child would react? I've seen the video's of Casey with Caylee laughing and playing with her...sure, I am positive she snapped and out of jealousy and rage killed her....I don't even believe it was an accident and she covered it up....however, by viewing the family video's it is mind boggling as to how one can appear to be a loving and happy parent and to do something so atrocious and henious as to commit murder...let alone ones own child. I believe GA and CA were in some very deep denial and that is not a prosecutable offense. Nor is loving your child and calling them sweetheart even though to onlookers like us....it made me want to puke too.
 
Speaking of cutting the cord, I know this was addressed briefly in another thread (which is now locked, so I hope it's okay to bring it up here), but IMO it's rather odd that GA was the one to cut the cord when Caylee was born. JG, the presumed father was there, wasn't he? Casey didn't want Caylee's "father" to cut the cord? I don't get it.

Not to say it's unheard of, particularly in the case of a teen mother, but still, it's not that common for a grandfather to be in the delivery room at all, much less cut the cord.

To me it is not odd...it is outright creepy. I don't mean to offend anyone, but I think after a certain age, unless a daughter is infirm, it is entirely inappropriate for a father to be seeing his daughter's private parts by anything but accident. Some may call me a prude, but sorry, I find it seriously creepy.
 
We can agree to disagree. I do not see any proof that they with held evidence or covered anything up. Even the investigators have stated they have been cooperative and have done nothing wrong. I tend to side more with them as opposed to blogging hypotheticals. Even my husband felt initially that perhaps Casey sold Caylee...so there were other possibilities that existed in the early days and the family shouldn't be penalized because they just could never imagine their own child murdering their own grandchild...for that matter, we the general public cannot imagine this....so how do you think the actual parents of that child would react? I've seen the video's of Casey with Caylee laughing and playing with her...sure, I am positive she snapped and out of jealousy and rage killed her....I don't even believe it was an accident and she covered it up....however, by viewing the family video's it is mind boggling as to how one can appear to be a loving and happy parent and to do something so atrocious and henious as to commit murder...let alone ones own child. I believe GA and CA were in some very deep denial and that is not a prosecutable offense. Nor is loving your child and calling them sweetheart even though to onlookers like us....it made me want to puke too.

Link please...I've only heard them say the opposite since the bond hearing.
 
Any more news as to WHY LA went home? I can not even imagine living with CA in that house. And the little playhouse, pool, CAYLEE's room.........Is LA still working? Was it financial? What happened to his girl friend? Wasn't she expecting a son soon? Did she move in also???

Given that they are grieving and their is going to be a trial, I cannot imagine how either George OR Cindy is going to be able to work a job. My guess is that Lee offered to move back home and help out financially as best he can. Remember, this is not the "normal" grieving family. I imagine these folks cannot even step out to the grocery store or church or out to eat w/o media bombardment or the general public gawking and perhaps even lashing out at them. Can you imagine?
 
To me it is not odd...it is outright creepy. I don't mean to offend anyone, but I think after a certain age, unless a daughter is infirm, it is entirely inappropriate for a father to be seeing his daughter's private parts by anything but accident. Some may call me a prude, but sorry, I find it seriously creepy.

It's not something I would do but nowadays you go to the house of someone who just gave birth and they show videos with close ups of the entire crotchel area. :eek: Nothing is taboo anymore.
 
It's not something I would do but nowadays you go to the house of someone who just gave birth and they show videos with close ups of the entire crotchel area. :eek: Nothing is taboo anymore.


OK, sorry, giving away my age here, BUT.....EEWWWEEEEUUUUU!
 
We can agree to disagree. I do not see any proof that they with held evidence or covered anything up. Even the investigators have stated they have been cooperative and have done nothing wrong. I tend to side more with them as opposed to blogging hypotheticals. Even my husband felt initially that perhaps Casey sold Caylee...so there were other possibilities that existed in the early days and the family shouldn't be penalized because they just could never imagine their own child murdering their own grandchild...for that matter, we the general public cannot imagine this....so how do you think the actual parents of that child would react? I've seen the video's of Casey with Caylee laughing and playing with her...sure, I am positive she snapped and out of jealousy and rage killed her....I don't even believe it was an accident and she covered it up....however, by viewing the family video's it is mind boggling as to how one can appear to be a loving and happy parent and to do something so atrocious and henious as to commit murder...let alone ones own child. I believe GA and CA were in some very deep denial and that is not a prosecutable offense. Nor is loving your child and calling them sweetheart even though to onlookers like us....it made me want to puke too.
What do you consider Cindy's washing the pants? That sealed the evidence tampering right there for me...
 
Given that they are grieving and their is going to be a trial, I cannot imagine how either George OR Cindy is going to be able to work a job. My guess is that Lee offered to move back home and help out financially as best he can. Remember, this is not the "normal" grieving family. I imagine these folks cannot even step out to the grocery store or church or out to eat w/o media bombardment or the general public gawking and perhaps even lashing out at them. Can you imagine?

I feel like they are bombarding us...I, and I think others, would prefer they stayed out of the media. I think they should have been back at work ages ago. Losing a loved one is tough, but life doesn't allow us to give up work because of it. If they are nice people, I'm sure they'll find support through their co-workers...though it's odd they don't seem to have any friends or supporters other than those they recently inherited. They've mooched enough money out of Caylee's death...they are coming across to me as deadbeats who want to make a living out of this. It is time they get themselves jobs and stop getting used to living off pics of Caylee and handouts. Young children lose parents and their life goes on, though it is hard. I don't know where you are coming from.
 
This thread is about George's statement about his grief regarding the loss of Caylee.
STAY ON TOPIC.
 
I do not believe for one second there was any incest - sorry - nothing about this at all relates to that and it has not been verified at all

As for George cutting the cord - well for one this wasn't a home birth - second isn't she closer to GA than CA? A Daddy's girl?

I know my Dad was embarrassed and was going to be in the delivery room when my second daughter was born - he walked in saw my legs in the stirrups and said 'I'll be outside' we laughed (my Mom and I) it was funny - but my Mom was in the delivery room and she held my daughter Natalie before me and my Mom handed Natalie to me - then my Dad was the first one to take a picture of Natalie when she was in the nursery (my daughter was born blue and didn't take her first breath until the nurses got her to breath - scary but my parents were there for support)

Was Caylee a natural birth? Were there any problems? We don't know that yet do we? There could have been a lot of things going on at that time - was Casey considering giving the baby to the A's to raise? A lot of young mother do that - it's harmful and confusing to the child when they get older but it happens - maybe that was the plan and Casey changed her mind right after Caylee was born?

The thing is we don't know this - we weren't there, there has been nothing in any document dump to say this - yes it's speculation on all of our parts

I think everyone needs to really consider feelings when they are so adament about this whole incest rumor - remember it's rumor and nothing more

Yes, it may be rumor and speculation on all of our parts - but it sure does make the entire baffling case fit together perfectly.

I, for one, am not judging on the incest part, per se. But I do see how this could lead to motive. (Not trying to hurt feelings, but the reality is that incest happens.)

Also, from what I have gotten to "know" about this family through their own words and actions, Cindy and George would have pursued child support for Caylee from the father. $$$

Once Jesse was ruled out, I think that perhaps it finally dawned on (or better yet, was proven by DNA to) Cindy that Caylee was indeed the product of incest - and that for once in her life Casey may have been telling the truth...

"It is what is is." IMO they were truly keeping it in the family. "Oh, don't worry, I haven't said anything."...:rolleyes:
 
I feel like they are bombarding us...I, and I think others, would prefer they stayed out of the media. I think they should have been back at work ages ago. Losing a loved one is tough, but life doesn't allow us to give up work because of it. If they are nice people, I'm sure they'll find support through their co-workers...though it's odd they don't seem to have any friends or supporters other than those they recently inherited. They've mooched enough money out of Caylee's death...they are coming across to me as deadbeats who want to make a living out of this. It is time they get themselves jobs and stop getting used to living off pics of Caylee and handouts. Young children lose parents and their life goes on, though it is hard. I don't know where you are coming from.
Agreed, it wasn't necessary for George to tell the reporter he couldn't drive down the street. I see it as more of a sympathy plea, totally unnecessary.
 
Yes, I understand the reasoning of many of the posters who seem to offer no quarter to the Anthony family. I will admit that the actions of the family, especially CA and LA, have infurirated me on several occasions. Their behavior is so odd and the nonsense they spewed was so unbelievable as to be insulting to the public's intelligence.
Nevertheless, I see why they have done the things they have done. They are dysfunctional. They do not know how to act as most people do. So, the normal feelings of unconditional love for a child get warped into abnormal protection of a killer. But, I see their thought processes and although immensely frustrating and aggravating, I think they have done more good for the case with thier statements to LE, calls to 911, etc., than they have done harm with their dysfunctional wgaon-circling of their "princess". And, I feel that they themselves lack the clarity to understand what they are doing in catering to their daughter. They would likely be very surprised if they knew how most of us feel or that they are wrong in defending her at all costs.
I have empathy for them because they have reaped what they have sown, they have to live with the guilt of helping to create a monster (although casey ultimately is the ONLY one responsible for killing baby Caylee - we all have free will and the Anthony's did not drive her to it), and again, they lost the true light of their lives. I too have lost loved ones very dear to me and would never wish that pain on anyone. I simply think that our frustration is misplaced here. Our real anger should be directed at the baby killer sitting safely in jail, not at poor, messed up people who do not know what they have done. (Forgive them Lord for they know not what they do).
Finally, there are others who have acted similarly, or even worse, like SP's parents and the mother of Neil Entwhistle who actually stated in her zeal to defend her creepy son, that his wife killed her own baby before killing herself. Sick. (The Anthony's actually were active in the investigation against their daughter, nor matter how reluctant, through their statements and calls, so they are not as bad). This behavior is not unknown but the flip side of it is not to disown or wish harm on the family member who committed the crime, as many posters seem to think the Anthony's should. I look at Mark Hacking's family or the Unibomber's brother as the model of what to do - The former expressed their deep love and support of their son while quietly urging him to do the right thing and turn himself in. The latter also expressed his deep love and devotion to his brother and his horror at having to do the right thing and turn his brother in. These families did what was right but neither disowned or shunned their criminal family members.
Bottom line is, the Anthony's are not functional enough to handle the situation properly. But when it really counted, they did do what was necessary to getting justice for Caylee by calling the cops, making statments to LE that deeply incriminated their daughter/sister and in GA's case, actually testifying against her at the grandjury, something that tore him up to do. So, I try to understand and have a bit of Christian charity in my hearts for them. After all, they knew and loved and tried in the only ways they knew how, to protect Caylee. She was their angel and will remain so.


Good post. I do agree.
 
To me it is not odd...it is outright creepy. I don't mean to offend anyone, but I think after a certain age, unless a daughter is infirm, it is entirely inappropriate for a father to be seeing his daughter's private parts by anything but accident. Some may call me a prude, but sorry, I find it seriously creepy.

I'm sorry, I'm assuming you've given birth before? Since when does modesty even come into giving birth? I wanted my Dad there for support, heck my folks were there when my ex left us when I was pregnant - and my parents would do anything to help me succeed - and my Dad is still like that - my parent's didn't enable me, they helped me through some of my toughest times - SO the Dad is there, so what -I could have cared less if the janitor was in the room, I was in so much pain I just wanted the baby to come out! LOL There is NOTHING erotic about giving birth!

So for George being in the room, not a big deal - cutting the cord - not a big deal - WE DO NOT know what was going on at that time - was Casey going to give the child to her parents to raise - AT THAT TIME - if that was the case then the A's would most likely be in the room

I doubt we will ever know what was going on at that time - it's not relevant to the case - unless the prosecution brings in that the A's had a deal with Casey that they would raise the child and then Casey changed her mind
 
Agreed, it wasn't necessary for George to tell the reporter he couldn't drive down the street. I see it as more of a sympathy plea, totally unnecessary.

Maybe it was said in response to a question asked by the reporter.
 
Actually, the words George said were, "The body in my granddaughter's car is not my granddaughter!"

He mis-spoke about the car. He meant to say the body in my DAUGHTER'S car was not my granddaughter. I think he was so angry he did not get his words straight.

At this point, he is also conceding that there HAD been a body in the trunk of Casey's car, IMO. Caylee being the only one of the family that was missing, it is just my opinion that George knew it was Caylee.

Every member of this family has shown extreme anger at times. I really should say rage rather than anger. Casey's rage was shown the first night she was in jail using F this and F that. I have seen Lee's rage when he tore up signs and threw the dog's water out. We have seen the rage from George and hammer swinging Cindy on national tv.

There was rage in George when it was rumored he had said he was sick of living a lie and so forth the night his family friend had to calm him down in the house.

In all of this, I have kind of expected George to tell the FBI just what he knew and when he knew it. He knows he cannot beat the FBI at what they do best.

I will be so glad when the trial begins and we hear all of the testimony. Then we will know more and will not have to speculate so much. The truth for me will be the evidence, forensics, and what LE and the FBI says.
 
It's not something I would do but nowadays you go to the house of someone who just gave birth and they show videos with close ups of the entire crotchel area. :eek: Nothing is taboo anymore.

LOL....thankfully that never became a trend amongst my friends and family! I would refuse to watch.
 
Bolded by me - that is quite a stretch!

If this thread is going the way of incest - it belongs in the rumor thread - not here

Sorry but we have absolutely zero information on this - nothing substantiates it, and there is NO proof

Yes, it may be rumor and speculation on all of our parts - but it sure does make the entire baffling case fit together perfectly.

I, for one, am not judging on the incest part, per se. But I do see how this could lead to motive. (Not trying to hurt feelings, but the reality is that incest happens.)

Also, from what I have gotten to "know" about this family through their own words and actions, Cindy and George would have pursued child support for Caylee from the father. $$$

Once Jesse was ruled out, I think that perhaps it finally dawned on (or better yet, was proven by DNA to) Cindy that Caylee was indeed the product of incest
- and that for once in her life Casey may have been telling the truth...

"It is what is is." IMO they were truly keeping it in the family. "Oh, don't worry, I haven't said anything."...:rolleyes:
 
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