Latest from George Anthony 1-2-09 at 11:58 PM

[bunnyphoenix1]

Agreed, it wasn't necessary for George to tell the reporter he couldn't drive down the street. I see it as more of a sympathy plea, totally unnecessary.

Yep...a plea to help find the killers would have been a lot more appropriate. Otherwise, I can't see why they should be in the media at all now.

 

[LinasK]

Bolded by me - that is quite a stretch!

If this thread is going the way of incest - it belongs in the rumor thread - not here

Sorry but we have absolutely zero information on this - nothing substantiates it, and there is NO proof

Actually, there is basis for it, in the LE interviews in the Doc dump. Otherwise, I'm guessing LE wouldn't have released it.

 

[Elley Mae]

To me it is not odd...it is outright creepy. I don't mean to offend anyone, but I think after a certain age, unless a daughter is infirm, it is entirely inappropriate for a father to be seeing his daughter's private parts by anything but accident. Some may call me a prude, but sorry, I find it seriously creepy.

I would think that you and I are from the same mind set on this, creepy is a good word for it in my book as well. I think a lot of it may have to do with modesty when it comes to ones father. I don't consider myself to be a prude, but I do have limits. And having my father in the delivery room is out. Especially since she was suppose to be a virgin.

 

[gitana1]

Cindy called her a sociopath! Don't you think a sociopath is capable of murder? A good mother doesn't put her own needs above those of her child and drag her to adult parties where drugs, alcohol, and sex are rampant. A good mother doesn't make her child sleep in the same bed with her new boyfriends. A good mother doesn't steal and lie.

Yes, I do think sociopaths are capable of killing. But, most sociopaths do not kill. They just become sleazy businessmen or thiefs. Also, I don't think CA made this connection until close to the end and even then I don't think she felt casey was actually capable of intentionally harming her baby.
No, casey clearly was not a good parent. A good parent lives for her child. A good parent works hard to support their child and enjoys spending time with her kid instead of dumping them with grandparents whenever they can. However, I have not heard any statements supported by another source that Caylee was ever at drug and sex parties. It seems AL and company did not want Caylee their at all.
Caylee did sleep in the bed with Ricardo and I would never do that. It's wrong unless it's the daddy. But, I've heard of no other reports of Caylee sleeping in the bed with other men.
Aside from that, and even if casey was doing all that and more, there is nothing to suggest that the Anthonys were aware at all that Caylee was sleeping with casey or being taken to adult parties. Remember, casey was lying to her family about where Caylee was (she's at the sitters).
Fdditionally, many parents make mistakes. Some do take their kids to parties where they should not be, etc., but, there is nothing to suggest that casey ever raised her voice to Caylee, hit her, left her unattended, failed to feed her, or any of the things that would have caused CPS to step in. By all accounts from pretty much EVERYONE who knew casey, she always was kind to the child, attentive and Caylee was always well-dressed, well-fed and clean. Things are never so black and white. Seemingly adequate parents do kill their children and monsters can often hide who they truly are.
Finally, it does appear that CA was at least entertaining the possibility of taking custody of Caylee, but if she went to see a lawyer, I can tell you what they likely said. I am a family law attorney and I do guardianships. The thefts, the lies, the lack of work, etc., nor, even if true, dragging the kid to parties or having her sleep in the same bed with various guys, would guarantee that the Anthony's would win in Court. If they did not, casey's anger would likely have taken Caylee from them forever. As it was, that's what ended up happening, probably right after CA threatened to go for custody.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Yep...a plea to help find the killers would have been a lot more appropriate. Otherwise, I can't see why they should be in the media at all now.

Oh my, I can just imagine the reaction there would have been on this board if George had asked for help in finding the real killers.

 

[Kimster]

I plan to continue to look for it later today after church and a couple of errands. I was up past midnight last night looking and my eyes couldn't do it anymore! LOL! It was an OLD one. GA and the guy from Kidfinders were in the driveway at night and a reporter was asking questions. GA said they knew where Caylee was and she was coming home and he appeared giddy with excitement!

I will PM you too when I find it, as well as link on this thread for everyone.

Took me forever. LOL! It's at the very end of this Geraldo video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eq9wLTrvtA&feature=related

 

[LaLaw2000]

I don't think a single poster on WS has accused George or Cindy of the murder, only the cover-up.

I have read most threads from the beginning of when the Caylee case got it's own forum. I have not known of anyone accusing anyone but Casey as being the murderer and the rest of the Anthony family being involved in the coverup.

Cindy, George, and Lee were given much sympathy in the beginning and then minds began to change as more was known. JMO

 

[evergreen]

Given that they are grieving and their is going to be a trial, I cannot imagine how either George OR Cindy is going to be able to work a job. My guess is that Lee offered to move back home and help out financially as best he can. Remember, this is not the "normal" grieving family. I imagine these folks cannot even step out to the grocery store or church or out to eat w/o media bombardment or the general public gawking and perhaps even lashing out at them. Can you imagine?

these people aren't the first to go through what they are going through, but they may be the first who are trying to make a livelihood out of it. I don't buy that they grieving too much to work.

 

[trac]

Actually, there is basis for it, in the LE interviews in the Doc dump. Otherwise, I'm guessing LE wouldn't have released it.

I have seen NO basis on any incest - show a link please
Again the incest stuff belongs in the rumor thread

 

[LinasK]

Yes, I do think sociopaths are capable of killing. But, most sociopaths do not kill. They just become sleazy businessmen or thiefs. Also, I don't think CA made this connection until close to the end and even then I don't think she felt casey was actually capable of intentionally harming her baby.
No, casey clearly was not a good parent. A good parent lives for her child. A good parent works hard to support their child and enjoys spending time with her kid instead of dumping them with grandparents whenever they can. However, I have not heard any statements supported by another source that Caylee was ever at drug and sex parties. It seems AL and company did not want Caylee their at all.
Caylee did sleep in the bed with Ricardo and I would never do that. It's wrong unless it's the daddy. But, I've heard of no other reports of Caylee sleeping in the bed with other men.
Aside from that, and even if casey was doing all that and more, there is nothing to suggest that the Anthonys were aware at all that Caylee was sleeping with casey or being taken to adult parties. Remember, casey was lying to her family about where Caylee was (she's at the sitters).
Fdditionally, many parents make mistakes. Some do take their kids to parties where they should not be, etc., but, there is nothing to suggest that casey ever raised her voice to Caylee, hit her, left her unattended, failed to feed her, or any of the things that would have caused CPS to step in. By all accounts from pretty much EVERYONE who knew casey, she always was kind to the child, attentive and Caylee was always well-dressed, well-fed and clean. Things are never so black and white. Seemingly adequate parents do kill their children and monsters can often hide who they truly are.
Finally, it does appear that CA was at least entertaining the possibility of taking custody of Caylee, but if she went to see a lawyer, I can tell you what they likely said. I am a family law attorney and I do guardianships. The thefts, the lies, the lack of work, etc., nor, even if true, dragging the kid to parties or having her sleep in the same bed with various guys, would guarantee that the Anthony's would win in Court. If they did not, casey's anger would likely have taken Caylee from them forever. As it was, that's what ended up happening, probably right after CA threatened to go for custody.

Other posters can find you links to these events, there are pictures of Caylee at these parties. There are pictures of Caylee with bruises. Also, I'm sure you are well aware that much abuse- physical, emotional, verbal, and neglect go on in private and the general public isn't aware until these issues come out.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

GA also talked about squirrels...there is a video of him saying it. I get the feeling the As are doing more using than they are getting used by people. Dinner at the Ritz the day you find out your granddaughter's remains were found.....I doubt they were forced to do it and someone obviously paid for it. Behaviour can be looked at to determine a person's state of mind at a relevant time, and dinner at Morgans said it all for me that day! If you have ever just lost a family member, you would know what I mean...I've never heard of anyone dressing up and going out for dinner after getting that sort of news in my life!

Oh please. That is far beyond judgmental! They were at LKL's show and on the flight home when their Caylee's body was found and they were locked out of going into thier own home. I've a good feeling that the hotel was paid for by someone other than them as we know they couldn't afford the Ritz. At the same time, we don't know who else accompanied them to dinner at Norman's (not Morgan's). It could have been their attorney's and they may have paid the bill and wanted to make it a business-dinner-discussion to keep them occupied while the media was going into a frenzy and to avoid them watching the news. You make it sound like they went out and partied. Shame.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

I'm sorry, I'm assuming you've given birth before? Since when does modesty even come into giving birth? I wanted my Dad there for support, heck my folks were there when my ex left us when I was pregnant - and my parents would do anything to help me succeed - and my Dad is still like that - my parent's didn't enable me, they helped me through some of my toughest times - SO the Dad is there, so what -I could have cared less if the janitor was in the room, I was in so much pain I just wanted the baby to come out! LOL There is NOTHING erotic about giving birth!

So for George being in the room, not a big deal - cutting the cord - not a big deal - WE DO NOT know what was going on at that time - was Casey going to give the child to her parents to raise - AT THAT TIME - if that was the case then the A's would most likely be in the room

I doubt we will ever know what was going on at that time - it's not relevant to the case - unless the prosecution brings in that the A's had a deal with Casey that they would raise the child and then Casey changed her mind

I knew some would consider me a prude...that's ok...to each their own!

Back to the topic, given he cut the cord, do you not think if he didn't believe his daughter killed Caylee, he wouldn't take this opportunity in the press to plead for the kidnappers to turn themselves in, for the public to provide tips to find the murderer etc? I would have thought that would make the bond between them even stronger and that he would be crying and pleading for the killer to be brought to justice instead of focusing on himself??

 

[gitana1]

Frankly, I think it would have been far more sensible for CA to call the police on Casey, than to choke her. The kind of mother that chokes a daughter??? You really don't think having the sort of mother that chokes you when she is angry at you might teach you to be abusive towards your child too? From what I understand, this sort of behaviour often runs through families. IMO, it is not a big step between choking your daughter and killing her, in fact, you are taking the chance you will kill her when you choke her.

And, I'm not saying all people with abusive parents kill children. But I sure think C & G have contributed to who Casey became.

I agree with some of what you have said here. I surely don't think choking one's kid sets a good example, nor is it the right thing to do. But, again, these people are DYSFUNCTIONAL, meaning they do not know how to handle things properly. Also, this was an example of CA finally blowing her top and having enough of casey's shenanigans. The Anthony's can't seem to win: If they protect her and fail to ask for her head on a platter, they are evil and deserve no sympathy. If they blow up at her and lose their tempers due to her b.s., they are abusers who created a killer.
Listen, I DO think they contributed to the creation of casey, but once again, they did not tell her or help her or cause her to kill her baby. casey had freewill. She made the choice and no one is to blame for that but casey.

 

[chelle70]

I feel like they are bombarding us...I, and I think others, would prefer they stayed out of the media. I think they should have been back at work ages ago. Losing a loved one is tough, but life doesn't allow us to give up work because of it. If they are nice people, I'm sure they'll find support through their co-workers...though it's odd they don't seem to have any friends or supporters other than those they recently inherited. They've mooched enough money out of Caylee's death...they are coming across to me as deadbeats who want to make a living out of this. It is time they get themselves jobs and stop getting used to living off pics of Caylee and handouts. Young children lose parents and their life goes on, though it is hard. I don't know where you are coming from.

:clap: Yes, there are other people in this world that are suffering from the loss of a parent, or, God forbid, their child right now. But they have to move on and go back to work. The world doesn't stop for them. And they probably haven't been living on donations like these characters!!! The A's need to get over themselves!

 

[evergreen]

Yes, I do think sociopaths are capable of killing. But, most sociopaths do not kill. They just become sleazy businessmen or thiefs. Also, I don't think CA made this connection until close to the end and even then I don't think she felt casey was actually capable of intentionally harming her baby.
No, casey clearly was not a good parent. A good parent lives for her child. A good parent works hard to support their child and enjoys spending time with her kid instead of dumping them with grandparents whenever they can. However, I have not heard any statements supported by another source that Caylee was ever at drug and sex parties. It seems AL and company did not want Caylee their at all.
Caylee did sleep in the bed with Ricardo and I would never do that. It's wrong unless it's the daddy. But, I've heard of no other reports of Caylee sleeping in the bed with other men.
Aside from that, and even if casey was doing all that and more, there is nothing to suggest that the Anthonys were aware at all that Caylee was sleeping with casey or being taken to adult parties. Remember, casey was lying to her family about where Caylee was (she's at the sitters).
Fdditionally, many parents make mistakes. Some do take their kids to parties where they should not be, etc., but, there is nothing to suggest that casey ever raised her voice to Caylee, hit her, left her unattended, failed to feed her, or any of the things that would have caused CPS to step in. By all accounts from pretty much EVERYONE who knew casey, she always was kind to the child, attentive and Caylee was always well-dressed, well-fed and clean. Things are never so black and white. Seemingly adequate parents do kill their children and monsters can often hide who they truly are.
Finally, it does appear that CA was at least entertaining the possibility of taking custody of Caylee, but if she went to see a lawyer, I can tell you what they likely said. I am a family law attorney and I do guardianships. The thefts, the lies, the lack of work, etc., nor, even if true, dragging the kid to parties or having her sleep in the same bed with various guys, would guarantee that the Anthony's would win in Court. If they did not, casey's anger would likely have taken Caylee from them forever. As it was, that's what ended up happening, probably right after CA threatened to go for custody.

KC was extremely lucky to have two co-parents for Klee. If they weren't there bailing KC out of trouble, it's highly likely that there would have been visible signs of poor parenting. As it stands, since there were actually three or even four parents (LA) for Klee, by all appearances, she was well taken care of. Unfortunately her other "parents" could not be with Klee 24/7.

 

[LisaNY]

We can agree to disagree. I do not see any proof that they with held evidence or covered anything up. Even the investigators have stated they have been cooperative and have done nothing wrong. I tend to side more with them as opposed to blogging hypotheticals. Even my husband felt initially that perhaps Casey sold Caylee...so there were other possibilities that existed in the early days and the family shouldn't be penalized because they just could never imagine their own child murdering their own grandchild...for that matter, we the general public cannot imagine this....so how do you think the actual parents of that child would react? I've seen the video's of Casey with Caylee laughing and playing with her...sure, I am positive she snapped and out of jealousy and rage killed her....I don't even believe it was an accident and she covered it up....however, by viewing the family video's it is mind boggling as to how one can appear to be a loving and happy parent and to do something so atrocious and henious as to commit murder...let alone ones own child. I believe GA and CA were in some very deep denial and that is not a prosecutable offense. Nor is loving your child and calling them sweetheart even though to onlookers like us....it made me want to puke too.

Respectfully bolded by me, I do not have any proof either, but they are asking for immunity -- I don't think they need it for unconditional love. This situation is incredible. IMO, GA knew ... he knew and he wanted to say it. When with LE he was always on the verge of giving his opinion, but never was direct about it. In his FBI interview he was stating how Caylee was so bright, she knew Uncle Lee, and Mallory etc and responded when their names were said, but no response to Zani, Nanny, Zachary, Annabelle -- why do you think he brought that up??? Possibly because he knew these people DO NOT EXIST!!
I respect your opinion, and certainly do agree with you on many points. I feel for this whole family. There is so much loss there. I can't imagine how they will ever put the pieces together and live any sort of normal life. I hope they get counseling, and do not try to "handle" things on their own. Maybe they are working on that now, and we will see a different g&c in the coming weeks. I think that in order to move on, you have to admit your role, ask for forgiveness (be truly remorseful) and pay the penalty, if any, for your part. That applies to all of them.

 

[debs]

Other posters can find you links to these events, there are pictures of Caylee at these parties. There are pictures of Caylee with bruises. Also, I'm sure you are well aware that much abuse- physical, emotional, verbal, and neglect go on in private and the general public isn't aware until these issues come out.

I have never seen any pictures of Caylee with bruises. Please provide a link, thanks!

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

Oh my, I can just imagine the reaction there would have been on this board if George had asked for help in finding the real killers.

Only because he's never done it before. Of all the time they had in front of cameras, they never once pleaded for her safe return or for her kidnappers to be brought to justice. If they had done so from day 1, things might have been a whole lot different for them.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Oh please. That is far beyond judgmental! They were at LKL's show and on the flight home when their Caylee's body was found and they were locked out of going into thier own home. I've a good feeling that the hotel was paid for by someone other than them as we know they couldn't afford the Ritz. At the same time, we don't know who else accompanied them to dinner at Norman's (not Morgan's). It could have been their attorney's and they may have paid the bill and wanted to make it a business-dinner-discussion to keep them occupied while the media was going into a frenzy and to avoid them watching the news. You make it sound like they went out and partied. Shame.

I completely agree. Additionally, it has never been said that they "dressed up" and went out for dinner. It makes sense to me that they'd eat at the hotel restaurant rather than going out, especially if they were with their lawyers. No one said they were eager to go or that they enjoyed themselves.

 

[JBean]

yes, it may be rumor and speculation on all of our parts - but it sure does make the entire baffling case fit together perfectly.

I, for one, am not judging on the incest part, per se. But i do see how this could lead to motive. (not trying to hurt feelings, but the reality is that incest happens.)

also, from what i have gotten to "know" about this family through their own words and actions, cindy and george would have pursued child support for caylee from the father. $$$

once jesse was ruled out, i think that perhaps it finally dawned on (or better yet, was proven by dna to) cindy that caylee was indeed the product of incest - and that for once in her life casey may have been telling the truth...

"it is what is is." imo they were truly keeping it in the family. "oh, don't worry, i haven't said anything."...

knock it off
take the incest conversation to the parking lot. This has been made clear over and over.