Laura Babcock: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich charged w/Murder in the First Degree #1

[matou]

And July 3rd was the last known activity on Laura's phone, I believe.

July 3rd 2012 was the Tuesday after the holiday Monday on the Canada Day long weekend. So she was calling like crazy on the long weekend and then likely disappeared on the first day after the long weekend. What was Dellen doing that weekend? What about the Tuesday after the long weekend? What's his story, I wonder?

 

[matou]

I bet Laura was giddy over seeing Dellen and blabbing about things he likely told her they were going to do together like travel. Who did she talk to about these types of things, other than her uncle? Where did she say they were gong to go? I had heard rumours of Las Vegas, Croatia (which is where Millard went with family and friends) in August. What were her stories about him to her friends? What did he tell her?

 

[Juballee]

Where did you hear the rumours that Laura was going to Vegas or Croatia, can you link to them please? I thought that we were not supposed to support unsubstantiated rumours here.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Where did you hear the rumours that Laura was going to Vegas or Croatia, can you link to them please? I thought that we were not supposed to support unsubstantiated rumours here.

The rumours may be confused. Someone on The Dirty said they saw someone who looked like her in Vegas. The comments are now gone, but "nik" still has the comment to check in Vegas around the Rhino area on there. DM went to Croatia with his friends in August so that may have come from someone just connecting her telling her uncle that she was going to travel with his later trip.

JMO

SL was in contact with her by text up to July 2nd. I wonder if she mentioned any plans to him that day or, if not, why not. It would have at least given them a place to start.

http://metronews.ca/news/toronto/1058608/murder-of-laura-babcock-leaves-lingering-questions-for-police/

 

[swedie]

Aren't we overdue on this? Perhaps this will be brought forth on Thursday or Friday. Could this have been what the last appearance was about which was of great interest to the public? MOO.

The Crown is seeking a direct indictment in the Laura Babcock murder case, raising further questions about the original investigation into her disappearance by Toronto police.

If the direct indictment is granted, it should be announced over the next few weeks and the case against the accused, Dellen Millard and Mark Smich, will proceed directly to trial without a preliminary hearing.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/201...-indictment-in-laura-babcock-murder-case.html

Glithero would not explain why the public was being kicked out, only that the issue to be discussed in secret was "important" and "controversial" and needed to be dealt with immediately.

Outside the courtroom that day, assistant Crown attorney Tony Leitch said "I have no doubt the matters being considered would be of great public interest."

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5...g-public-from-pretrial-motions-in-bosma-case/

 

[Alethea Dice]

Aren't we overdue on this? Perhaps this will be brought forth on Thursday or Friday. Could this have been what the last appearance was about which was of great interest to the public? MOO.

The Crown is seeking a direct indictment in the Laura Babcock murder case, raising further questions about the original investigation into her disappearance by Toronto police.

If the direct indictment is granted, it should be announced over the next few weeks and the case against the accused, Dellen Millard and Mark Smich, will proceed directly to trial without a preliminary hearing.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/201...-indictment-in-laura-babcock-murder-case.html

Glithero would not explain why the public was being kicked out, only that the issue to be discussed in secret was "important" and "controversial" and needed to be dealt with immediately.

Outside the courtroom that day, assistant Crown attorney Tony Leitch said "I have no doubt the matters being considered would be of great public interest."

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5...g-public-from-pretrial-motions-in-bosma-case/

LB's case will be a different trial, so I don't think the last appearance would have anything to do with whether there would be a direct indictment in her case. But it is a little discouraging that none of the press seems to be interested in updating the public on any court dates for either LB's case or WM's case.

JMO

 

[Arnie M]

LB's case will be a different trial, so I don't think the last appearance would have anything to do with whether there would be a direct indictment in her case. But it is a little discouraging that none of the press seems to be interested in updating the public on any court dates for either LB's case or WM's case.

JMO

We had a member of the press posting here on webslueths on a regular basis

Where did she go ?? <modsnip>

 

[matou]

Good post Arnie. I hope ABro will come back some day.

 

[Arnie M]

Good post Arnie. I hope ABro will come back some day.

So do I , as a professional (journalist) she was on top of the case and shared the updates with us , I appreciated that tremendously .

 

[Kamille]

And July 3rd was the last known activity on Laura's phone, I believe.

July 3rd 2012 was the Tuesday after the holiday Monday on the Canada Day long weekend. So she was calling like crazy on the long weekend and then likely disappeared on the first day after the long weekend. What was Dellen doing that weekend? What about the Tuesday after the long weekend? What's his story, I wonder?

I also wonder what CN was doing that weekend and whether she was in town or perhaps out of town with her family. The Canada Day long weekend is a very big vacation time for families. I'd imagine it might be awkward if she was out of town with her family and she returned to find out that LB seemed to think that DM was her new beau. Perhaps someone tried to prevent that from happening?

MOO

 

[matou]

Well, if she found out that Laura wanted DM to go to the wedding with her, I doubt she would be leaving him alone for any amount of time. JMO

 

[swedie]

This certainly raises a lot of suspicion to me. JMO.

Noudga was also a friend of Laura Babcock, who disappeared in the summer of 2012 and made her last mobile phone calls to Dellen Millard. According to a friend of Babcock, Laura had told Noudga that she and Millard had become more than just friends. Police last year described Babcock&#8217;s relationship to MIllard as a non-traditional dating situation.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/201...ssory-to-tim-bosmas-murder-after-the-fac.html

 

[Kamille]

This certainly raises a lot of suspicion to me. JMO.

Noudga was also a friend of Laura Babcock, who disappeared in the summer of 2012 and made her last mobile phone calls to Dellen Millard. According to a friend of Babcock, Laura had told Noudga that she and Millard had become more than just friends. Police last year described Babcock&#8217;s relationship to MIllard as a non-traditional dating situation.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/201...ssory-to-tim-bosmas-murder-after-the-fac.html

Wow!! So LB had started to blab to CN? I see a scenario unfolding now. How tragic. MOO

 

[swedie]

Also interesting to note from our journalist's article:

Noudga was a member of the &#8220;Help Us Find Laura&#8221; Facebook group before she took her profile down.

Wonder if CN went to LE with any information she may have known about LB (drugs, mental state, escort)? Surely and most certainly CN must have discussed with DM and tried to problem solve to help out her friend. Isn't that what friends are supposed to do for each other when down and out? Wonder if DM ever told CN LB contacted him within days before her disappearance and she was looking for a place to stay and drugs? MOO.

 

[deugirtni]

Sorry if this thought has been posted before at some point by someone, it's been awhile since I've paid a lot of attention to these cases involving DM. Just thinking that since DM had been seeing CN since the summer of 2011 (according to Brocklehurst), but yet he had also been seeing other women, I wonder if CN had been aware of this. I wonder if CN was aware of DM's 'non-traditional dating' relationship with LB. And I wonder if LB, at the time when she was allegedly asking DM for a place to stay and for drugs, and got his 'no' answer (according to DM), she threatened to tell CN about their more than a friendship relationship. That could certainly be a plausible motive.

Also wondering.. in the mind of a budding serial killer, before he actually does it for the first time.. I wonder if after that first time, it becomes easier to do, easier to live with, easier to get away with, etc., with each kill.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Two-three years ago there was a post on The Dirty asking where LB was. Eventually comments implicated DM (after his arrest) but now the comments are gone.

A couple of interesting articles on how difficult it is to remove comments on The Dirty - lawyers were busy!

http://www.ipick.ca/hamilton/cheating-stis-and-dirty-lies-the-fight-against-a-u-s-gossip-giant

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...-how-u-s-site-spread-dirt-about-her-1.1230059

 

[Kamille]

Two-three years ago there was a post on The Dirty asking where LB was. Eventually comments implicated DM (after his arrest) but now the comments are gone.

A couple of interesting articles on how difficult it is to remove comments on The Dirty - lawyers were busy!

http://www.ipick.ca/hamilton/cheating-stis-and-dirty-lies-the-fight-against-a-u-s-gossip-giant

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...-how-u-s-site-spread-dirt-about-her-1.1230059

Is it possible that the OPP made a phone call to the site owners regarding our laws about publication bans and asked them to take the discussion down or monitor it to ensure ban info does not make it there? Just as they contacted WS about the Rafferty trial? Or perhaps even DM's lawyer made the call?

I would think that most site owners would comply with either scenario, particularly a U.S. site about a Canadian case. I don't think it would take any large legal maneuver. And I guess the large majority of their readers would not be the least bit interested in this story anyway.

It would be interesting to see if any other discussions about this case have been started and shut down. Or if a discussion starts up once it goes to trial?

MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Is it possible that the OPP made a phone call to the site owners regarding our laws about publication bans and asked them to take the discussion down or monitor it to ensure ban info does not make it there? Just as they contacted WS about the Rafferty trial? Or perhaps even DM's lawyer made the call?

I would think that most site owners would comply with either scenario, particularly a U.S. site about a Canadian case. I don't think it would take any large legal maneuver. And I guess the large majority of their readers would not be the least bit interested in this story anyway.

It would be interesting to see if any other discussions about this case have been started and shut down. Or if a discussion starts up once it goes to trial?

MOO

The Dirty is actually really popular with Canadians and there is a lot of Canadian content there (e.g., the Got A** Girls feature repeatedly)

I think the original post was by LE, just by the content and format. SL replied to the post a couple of times (he was not the OP) and then after DM's arrest people posted DM's name there.

For whatever reason, things got cleaned up.

 

[swedie]

Has there been anything to indicate LE did not talk to DM shortly after LB's disappearance? Perhaps they did talk to DM but he was able to concoct some story to take the heat off of himself. Did he tell LE she was a mess, looking for a place to stay and drugs and he refused her both? Or did he say he gave her money to get herself a room somewhere, encouraged her to go home to her parents? If he came across as a great guy trying to help his friend out, LE wouldn't necessarily focus on him any more. MOO.

 

[Alethea Dice]

The Dirty is actually really popular with Canadians and there is a lot of Canadian content there (e.g., the Got A** Girls feature repeatedly)

I think the original post was by LE, just by the content and format. SL replied to the post a couple of times (he was not the OP) and then after DM's arrest people posted DM's name there.

For whatever reason, things got cleaned up.

The original post is still there and was not posted by LE. If you go to the Help us find Laura Facebook page, you will see which friend posted on The Dirty about LB missing. Scroll down to the comments under SL's post on November 12, 2012. (I really don't think LE would say they "read the site loyally" and "my missing friend".)

I didn't see any comments about DM on there, only the ones suggesting where to look, but The Dirty wouldn't really have too many people following a murder case on it. It's main purpose seems to be just allowing anonymous people to trash other people publicly, for whatever reason they feel the need to do that.

JMO