Laura Babcock: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich charged w/Murder in the First Degree #1

[Kamille]

Did one stop to think DM himself claimed to be a photographer, professional or otherwise. He does have quite the list of career aspirations. Might just be a lunch bag let down for him to find out people are once again dissing him. He was obviously proud enough to name himself as the photographer in Josie's photographs, should we negate this possible claim also? What's so wrong with being a photographer? MOO.

Raised as an only child by divorced parents, he dabbled in various careers but never committed himself to one.

His professional resumé depicts an incongruous collection of career aspirations.
He took college courses ranging from makeup artistry to culinary arts to animation, he says.

“I spend time outside the cell in my head,” he says. “I re-enact movies in my head. It was Jurassic Park last night.”

And he devises business ideas.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...didnt_kill_tim_bosma_exclusive_interview.html

photographer
/fəˈtɒɡrəfə/
noun
1.
a person who takes photographs, either as a hobby or a profession

My thoughts as well. LB described her "new boyfriend" based on what he told her IMO. He'd already done a couple of "shoots" for Josie. I don't imagine his ex fiancé was the nude model type. Perhaps that's what he told certain girls to get them to agree to a "shoot". LB was an aspiring escort so I'm sure he wouldn't have thought twice about asking her. It'll be interesting if LE found pics of LB among the evidence seized from DM's house.

Apparently she also described her new boyfriend as wealthy and a pilot. Quite the coincidence that DM was among her last calls and he happens to also be wealthy and a helicopter pilot.

MOO

 

[swedie]

http://www.chch.com/toronto-police-still-searching-millard-farm/


LB’s uncle did not want LB to bring a “new” boyfriend to his wedding out of fear it would somehow cause a scene. It seems odd that LB didn't also mention that this “new beau” was also her long time friend - a friend that that her mother had met twice. Why wouldn't she have utilized this information to persuade her uncle to allow her to bring him? Surely knowing that the new boyfriend wasn't someone that she had just met would have allayed some of his concerns.




http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/missing-woman-reportedly-contacted-murder-suspect-dellen-millard-before-her-disappearance




http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/missing-toronto-woman-s-parents-unfazed-by-millard-link-1.1354137


JMO

Hmm does it sound like perhaps an ex boyfriend of LB's was invited to the wedding? Someone LB's uncle was fond of and found to be a good influence on LB? Was he included as a guest on her invite? I could understand her uncle wanting to perhaps avoid confrontation and drama by telling her it wasn't a good idea to bring the new boyfriend. JMO.

Polite and handsome doesn't really say much a nothing about someone. There have been serial killers who others have claimed to be polite and handsome and much more. Example, Ted Bundy. HTH. Just reading through this article I came upon a couple paragraphs which stuck out to me and found interesting. MOO.

He began a relationship with fellow university student "Stephanie Brooks" (a pseudonym), whom he met while enrolled at UW in 1967. Following her 1968 graduation and return to her family home in California, she ended the relationship, fed up with what she described as Bundy's immaturity and lack of ambition.

In 1968, after his girlfriend graduated from the University of Washington, she broke off relations with Ted. She was a practical young woman and seemed to realize that Ted had some serious character flaws that took him out of the running as "husband material."

http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b1/bundy-ted.htm

 

[SnooperDuper]

Hmm does it sound like perhaps an ex boyfriend of LB's was invited to the wedding? Someone LB's uncle was fond of and found to be a good influence on LB? Was he included as a guest on her invite? I could understand her uncle wanting to perhaps avoid confrontation and drama by telling her it wasn't a good idea to bring the new boyfriend. JMO.

Polite and handsome doesn't really say much a nothing about someone. There have been serial killers who others have claimed to be polite and handsome and much more. Example, Ted Bundy. HTH. Just reading through this article I came upon a couple paragraphs which stuck out to me and found interesting. MOO.

He began a relationship with fellow university student "Stephanie Brooks" (a pseudonym), whom he met while enrolled at UW in 1967. Following her 1968 graduation and return to her family home in California, she ended the relationship, fed up with what she described as Bundy's immaturity and lack of ambition.

In 1968, after his girlfriend graduated from the University of Washington, she broke off relations with Ted. She was a practical young woman and seemed to realize that Ted had some serious character flaws that took him out of the running as "husband material."

http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b1/bundy-ted.htm

Something put DM out of the running as "husband material" too, coincidentally.

 

[Alethea Dice]

http://www.chch.com/toronto-police-still-searching-millard-farm/


LB’s uncle did not want LB to bring a “new” boyfriend to his wedding out of fear it would somehow cause a scene. It seems odd that LB didn't also mention that this “new beau” was also her long time friend - a friend that that her mother had met twice. Why wouldn't she have utilized this information to persuade her uncle to allow her to bring him? Surely knowing that the new boyfriend wasn't someone that she had just met would have allayed some of his concerns.




http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/missing-woman-reportedly-contacted-murder-suspect-dellen-millard-before-her-disappearance




http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/missing-toronto-woman-s-parents-unfazed-by-millard-link-1.1354137


JMO

I wonder why the uncle would think the new boyfriend, who was supposed to be a pilot, a photographer and wealthy, "was probably be a bit of a trouble-maker" and might cause a "scene".

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

IIRC, at approx. 19 y.o. DM was into photography to the extent he had a copyright on that pic of Josie, and AB's online article indicated that DM, Josie's ex-bf, had been her "aspiring photographer boyfriend":

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/tag/dellen-millard/page/3

Can't judge a book by its cover ... author Ann Rule thought her friend Ted Bundy, up and coming lawyer, volunteer on the crisis line, assistant to the governor of Washington, was intelligent, handsome, charming and polite.

To be fair, the "aspiring photograher boyfriend" are AB's words, no one else's. Where did you see that DM had a copyright on a picture of Josie, and what picture was that? I'm just curious because he would have had to assign the copyright of any pictures for the website to SG Services. The contract can't be terminated unless the set of pictures is not accepted as a "Set of the Day" AND is also removed from the website by the model.

https://gmail123456.app.box.com/s/iioigonkl7d51i6dk8wm

 

[Alethea Dice]

I find it a little extreme to imagine that LB would describe DM, someone she had known for several years, as a photographer because of some pictures he took for his girlfriend way back in 2005.

JMO

 

[swedie]

IIRC, at approx. 19 y.o. DM was into photography to the extent he had a copyright on that pic of Josie, and AB's online article indicated that DM, Josie's ex-bf, had been her "aspiring photographer boyfriend":

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/tag/dellen-millard/page/3

Can't judge a book by its cover ... author Ann Rule thought her friend Ted Bundy, up and coming lawyer, volunteer on the crisis line, assistant to the governor of Washington, was intelligent, handsome, charming and polite.

SB great find, Ann's article. I read your post after I had posted mine. We had the same thought re: Ted and DM, handsome and polite.

 

[swedie]

I find it a little extreme to imagine that LB would describe DM, someone she had known for several years, as a photographer because of some pictures he took for his girlfriend way back in 2005.

JMO

Perhaps DM had taken photographs of her. Do we even know she was aware of those Josie photos? MOO.

 

[swedie]

Something put DM out of the running as "husband material" too, coincidentally.

Lack of ambition? Immaturity? :thinking: MOO.

 

[swedie]

To be fair, the "aspiring photograher boyfriend" are AB's words, no one else's. Where did you see that DM had a copyright on a picture of Josie, and what picture was that? I'm just curious because he would have had to assign the copyright of any pictures for the website to SG Services. The contract can't be terminated unless the set of pictures is not accepted as a "Set of the Day" AND is also removed from the website by the model.

https://gmail123456.app.box.com/s/iioigonkl7d51i6dk8wm

BBM - That may be Ann's article but do you know who all she spoke with to come to this finding? I don't suspect she pulled this out of thin air. MOO.

 

[Kamille]

A "set" on SG is 40-60 pictures. DM did that for Josie ... twice.

What is a set? Do I have to get naked?


A "set" is a series of 40-60 pictures of you, starting fully clothed and ending fully nude. Nudity should begin in the first 1/3 of the set, and the set should be taken in one session with the same outfit, theme, and setting.

 Think tasteful pin-up style nudity and poses!

https://suicidegirls.com/model/faq/

 

[Tamarind]

IIRC, at approx. 19 y.o. DM was into photography to the extent he had a copyright on that pic of Josie, and AB's online article indicated that DM, Josie's ex-bf, had been her "aspiring photographer boyfriend":

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/tag/dellen-millard/page/3

Can't judge a book by its cover ... author Ann Rule thought her friend Ted Bundy, up and coming lawyer, volunteer on the crisis line, assistant to the governor of Washington, was intelligent, handsome, charming and polite.

Whatever we create on our own computer is copyrighted by its very existence. It simply means that you created it, nothing more IMO. We still do not know who this new boyfriend of LB was, so its still a situation where we cannot say it was DM just because we have a situation without a definite answer or person to fill that spot. This is just my opinion. I still think its very unlikely that LB would refer to an aviation heir and pilot as a mere photographer. Not undermining photographers in any way, just pointing out that LB had a lot more to work with than a batch of seven year old suicide girl pics. IMO

 

[Tamarind]

A "set" on SG is 40-60 pictures. DM did that for Josie ... twice.

https://suicidegirls.com/model/faq/

Seems like he was a nice guy who was taking pics for a friend. Maybe like most young men he enjoyed a healthy libido. I don't see a problem with it myself. Thats JMO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Maybe DM used nude photography as a pickup technique...trust me, take your clothes off for me, show me how daring you are.

I wouldn't be surprised if he used photography to peel the clothes of a bunch of girls...just not so many that want their naked pictures posted all over the internet. I suppose those who felt their pics were fit for public consumption would be more likely to see DM as photographer first.

That reminds me of the Model Mayhem links...this is largely an alternative (nudes, tattoos) models and photography website.

I wonder if DM was tied into a larger hobby of nude photography that wrapped together the Suicide Girls, Model Mayhem, other girlfriends, LB.

 

[Tamarind]

Perhaps DM had taken photographs of her. Do we even know she was aware of those Josie photos? MOO.

Is there some other reason for suspecting he was the photographer she wanted to take to the wedding? If she was unaware of any pics, calling him a photographer would be virtually erroneous wouldn't it ?

If he had taken any pics of LB I have a feeling they would have surfaced by now, just a feeling and JMO

 

[Tamarind]

Maybe DM used nude photography as a pickup technique...trust me, take your clothes off for me, show me how daring you are.

I wouldn't be surprised if he used photography to peel the clothes of a bunch of girls...just not so many that want their naked pictures posted all over the internet. I suppose those who felt their pics were fit for public consumption would be more likely to see DM as photographer first.

That reminds me of the Model Mayhem links...this is largely an alternative (nudes, tattoos) models and photography website.

I wonder if DM was tied into a larger hobby of nude photography that wrapped together the Suicide Girls, Model Mayhem, other girlfriends, LB.

If his alleged letters have been leaked to the press I would suspect any existing photographs would have found the same mode of transition. I dont think any photos are about to be leaked, again just an opinion. FWIW

How would it be helpful to the case if he liked nude women? He is charged with allegedly killing his father ( male and middle aged) and a young man in his twenties. We have no body in the case of LB so I am just wondering how we can link nudes to the murders.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Maybe DM used nude photography as a pickup technique...trust me, take your clothes off for me, show me how daring you are.

I wouldn't be surprised if he used photography to peel the clothes of a bunch of girls...just not so many that want their naked pictures posted all over the internet. I suppose those who felt their pics were fit for public consumption would be more likely to see DM as photographer first.

That reminds me of the Model Mayhem links...this is largely an alternative (nudes, tattoos) models and photography website.

I wonder if DM was tied into a larger hobby of nude photography that wrapped together the Suicide Girls, Model Mayhem, other girlfriends, LB.

The person hosting the Model Mayhem shoots advertised to photographers, and suggested they bring lots of batteries and some basic lighting. Her post also said "You'll be the first group of photographers that will be allowed to use it, and virtually the last!" DM provided the use of the hangar and the props. I haven't heard anything about him also supplying the photography services.

Any girls that would fall for a pickup line of "take your clothes off for me" shouldn't be surprised if they find them posted all over the internet at some point.

JMO

 

[Kamille]

And during that conversation, his niece talked about a new boyfriend, a man Ryan now believes was Millard.

“My wife and I both think it was Dellen she was talking about because she referred to him being a pilot and a photographer,” Ryan said. “She also mentioned he was wealthy.”

He was concerned about the unsavoury crowd Babcock was keeping company with at the time.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/09/10/search-continues-on-farm-of-tim-bosmas-accused-killer

Not many people would be claiming to be a wealthy pilot/photographer. Certainly not many who also happened to show up on LB's cell records.

And her Uncle likely thought her description of her "new boyfriend" was a line she was getting. It appears that he considered the crowd she was hanging with "unsavoury", including the new wealthy, pilot/photographer. He likely didn't believe that description. Who would really? Although I suppose WM could have called himself a wealthy pilot/videographer?

MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Not many people would be claiming to be a wealthy pilot/photographer. Certainly not many who also happened to show up on LB's cell records.

And her Uncle likely thought her description of her "new boyfriend" was a line she was getting. It appears that he considered the crowd she was hanging with "unsavoury", including the new wealthy, pilot/photographer. He likely didn't believe that description. Who would really?

MOO

Maybe he sounded like a playboy, and the uncle wisely didn't want him there and introduced to all the relatives and then gone from LB's life before the thank-you cards are out. Then the family has to answer questions about the guy for years. "Remember that young man, who was with LB at the wedding, what was his name? Oh they're not together anymore?"...Who needs that?

 

[Sillybilly]

Where did you see that DM had a copyright on a picture of Josie, and what picture was that? I'm just curious because he would have had to assign the copyright of any pictures for the website to SG Services.

<rsbm>

I recall seeing the copyright on the pics of Josie, and we discussed it in one of the very early threads.

from:
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2878848-police-probe-millard-s-connections-to-other-cases/

In the background of some of the photos, "MILLARDAIR, Toronto, Canada" is clearly visible on the plane. "CARL MILLARD" is also visible on a hangar in one photo.

The photos are stamped with "COPYRIGHT 2004," but the actual album is dated as Feb 17, 2005.