Laura Babcock: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich charged w/Murder in the First Degree #1

[Woodland]

It's a very smart move imo to put LB investigation under the OPP along with TB and WM. All baggage dropped and left behind.

Kudos to all involved.

 

[Bertie]

I apologize if this has come up before now, but would be surprised if it hasn't.

IMO, the repeated calls by LB to DM give the impression of urgency and desperation. One urgent thing that could cause such panic is: she was pregnant with his child and wanted to talk to him about it. This certainly would give a motive. If LB were pregnant, it would be a big burden financially to DM. All MOO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I apologize if this has come up before now, but would be surprised if it hasn't.

IMO, the repeated calls by LB to DM give the impression of urgency and desperation. One urgent thing that could cause such panic is: she was pregnant with his child and wanted to talk to him about it. This certainly would give a motive. If LB were pregnant, it would be a big burden financially to DM. All MOO.

Possible...but...

I think that if you are a drug or alcohol abuser, that creates a lot of urgency. IMHO the entire payday loan system wouldn't exist if it weren't for people who need their fix today, not tomorrow.

LB called to seek drugs according to DM. Perhaps her addiction had become a major PITA for him and he decided to get rid of her.

ETA: if LB was working as an escort, could she really pin a pregnancy on DM? OTOH, if DM was pimping LB, a pregnancy (by anyone) might trigger him to make her disappear.

 

[Bertie]

Possible...but...

ETA: if LB was working as an escort, could she really pin a pregnancy on DM? OTOH, if DM was pimping LB, a pregnancy (by anyone) might trigger him to make her disappear.

Since a pregnancy could even possibly be pinned on him would be a problem, IMO. Once a paternity test is done that's it, the results are now officially available in a lab. A woman disappearing after a paternity test that pointed to DM would be too obvious.

MOO

 

[Sillybilly]

Since a pregnancy could even possibly be pinned on him would be a problem, IMO. Once a paternity test is done that's it, the results are now officially available in a lab. A woman disappearing after a paternity test that pointed to DM would be too obvious.
MOO

<bbm>

Ya never know, Bertie. Kinda like Tim Bosma disappearing and being found dead after going with DM on a test drive of his truck.

 

[Arnie M]

Since a pregnancy could even possibly be pinned on him would be a problem, IMO. Once a paternity test is done that's it, the results are now officially available in a lab. A woman disappearing after a paternity test that pointed to DM would be too obvious.

MOO

I think you make a good point Bertie ..... we have to consider that DM is close to 30 years old and not married yet .... maybe being careful and waiting for the "right one" .... folks with assets are often carefull that way , they are mindful of divorce and the associated costs.

Proven paternity could enact court ordered support from DM .... and often judges set the rate according to ability to pay. And if LB was in the drugs and escort trades , marriage would not be desirable (from DM's point of view)

It is not unheard of for girlfreinds to get pregnant in order to get married , sometimes it is akin to entrapment , makes for a difficult situation. Years ago men could deny being the father , but DNA testing has changed all that.

 

[Bertie]

"momma im in love with criminal... and this type of love isn't rational...its physical" (Posted October 20, 2011)

The above is from LB's facebook page. http://www.facebook.com/lorahryan/posts/10150428352255470

I wonder if she was repeating this line from Britney Spears' song, "Criminal," in reference to someone she was romantically involved with. DM perhaps? JMO

LB's FB page: https://www.facebook.com/lorahryan

 

[matou]

"momma im in love with criminal... and this type of love isn't rational...its physical" (Posted October 20, 2011)

The above is from LB's facebook page. http://www.facebook.com/lorahryan/posts/10150428352255470

I wonder if she was repeating this line from Britney Spears' song, "Criminal," in reference to someone she was romantically involved with. DM perhaps? JMO

LB's FB page: https://www.facebook.com/lorahryan

She posts herself with SL in earlier in June. It seems they were together at that point. For some reason, I don't think she's referring to SL in that October 2011 post. JMO

When did she and SL break up?

 

[Bertie]

She posts herself with SL in earlier in June. It seems they were together at that point. For some reason, I don't think she's referring to SL in that October 2011 post. JMO

When did she and SL break up?

The picture of SL was in June and LB's post was in October, they may have moved on dating others within those 4 months.

It was only 8 months after that October post that she went missing (June 26, 2012) and she was known to be involved with DM then, so it's possible they were together for those 8 months or longer. MOO

 

[cansleuther]

When did she and SL break up?

In January of 2012.

Mr. Lerner and Ms. Babcock ended their romantic attachment in January, 2012, but the two remained close friends.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/police-probe-link-between-dellen-millard-and-missing-woman/article12015795/

 

[Juballee]

"momma im in love with criminal... and this type of love isn't rational...its physical" (Posted October 20, 2011)

The above is from LB's facebook page. http://www.facebook.com/lorahryan/posts/10150428352255470

I wonder if she was repeating this line from Britney Spears' song, "Criminal," in reference to someone she was romantically involved with. DM perhaps? JMO

LB's FB page: https://www.facebook.com/lorahryan

I think that since Brittney Spears is one of the artists she is a fan of, according to that FB page, that she was just quoting song lyrics like so many people do.

Are there any pictures of her and DM on her page like there are of SL? I find often when someone has a new boyfriend, they take down the the facebook pictures of their ex boyfriend and replace them with ones of the new boyfriend. Although if SL still had access to her personal Facebook page even after her disappearance, she might not have been comfortable making those changes. In fact, if someone else had access to her Facebook account, there is a possibility that they were the one making some posts, not her.

 

[Bertie]

I think that since Brittney Spears is one of the artists she is a fan of, according to that FB page, that she was just quoting song lyrics like so many people do.

Are there any pictures of her and DM on her page like there are of SL? I find often when someone has a new boyfriend, they take down the the facebook pictures of their ex boyfriend and replace them with ones of the new boyfriend. Although if SL still had access to her personal Facebook page even after her disappearance, she might not have been comfortable making those changes. In fact, if someone else had access to her Facebook account, there is a possibility that they were the one making some posts, not her.

Some on facebook also quote a line of a song that is meaningful to them because it signifies something/someone in their life. LB may have already had feelings for DM. I recall reading that DM used to fly her to London,ON, to see SL, so they must have already had some sort of close relationship. Not many guy friends would do that.

The lack of pictures of their relationship is not a surprise. That could be due to a number of reasons - the escort business, DM was embarrassed, not wanting the ex to know (especially if cheating was going on), and so forth.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Some on facebook also quote a line of a song that is meaningful to them because it signifies something/someone in their life. LB may have already had feelings for DM. I recall reading that DM used to fly her to London,ON, to see SL, so they must have already had some sort of close relationship. Not many guy friends would do that.

The lack of pictures of their relationship is not a surprise. That could be due to a number of reasons - the escort business, DM was embarrassed, not wanting the ex to know (especially if cheating was going on), and so forth.

Oh, the number of times I have assumed a lyrics quote meant something and, when questioning it, been firmly told "I was just listening to that song at the time". I'm wondering what was going on back in 2011 that would make her think that DM was a criminal.

It has been reported that DM did lots of things for his friends. He seemed very generous that way.

JMO

JMO

 

[Juballee]

Some on facebook also quote a line of a song that is meaningful to them because it signifies something/someone in their life. LB may have already had feelings for DM. I recall reading that DM used to fly her to London,ON, to see SL, so they must have already had some sort of close relationship. Not many guy friends would do that.

The lack of pictures of their relationship is not a surprise. That could be due to a number of reasons - the escort business, DM was embarrassed, not wanting the ex to know (especially if cheating was going on), and so forth.

I don't want to twist your words, but it seems as if you implying that typically the only people who would do favours for a woman are guys who are in a close relationship (meaning receiving sex from that woman). To me first of all, that would be no different than giving someone a ride when they are going the same way. In my experience, I have done a lot of favours for woman without ever expecting sex or having a close relationship from them, and vice versa. I personally disagree and think that many guy friends would do that if they have the capabilities.

And once her relationship with SL broke up, she would have been free to post any pictures of any guys she liked. Also, she was dating SL at the time of that post, perhaps the post was related to him, since it's not really common for girls with boyfriends to post that they are in love with someone else so casually, so that, even if her friends had asked if it was just a lyric or her true feelings, they would assume that she was talking about her current boyfriend, would they not? I don't really think that she was talking about someone, I think she just had a song stuck in her head.

 

[Bertie]

I don't want to twist your words, but it seems as if you implying that typically the only people who would do favours for a woman are guys who are in a close relationship (meaning receiving sex from that woman).

Indeed, you twisted my words.

My point is this: LB and DM had a close relationship that turned into a romantic one. They were already hanging out together and he was doing personal favours for her before it was publicly known they were involved romantically.

When did the feelings and romance between LB and DM begin, before or after the break-up with her boyfriend? Only they know. Certainly, being in love with 2 men at once is not unheard of, IMO.

 

[swedie]

Indeed, you twisted my words.

My point is this: LB and DM had a close relationship that turned into a romantic one. They were already hanging out together and he was doing personal favours for her before it was publicly known they were involved romantically.

When did the feelings and romance between LB and DM begin, before or after the break-up with her boyfriend? Only they know. Certainly, being in love with 2 men at once is not unheard of, IMO.

Exactly Bertie and great find, it's not uncommon at all actually for someone to be on their way out of one relationship and starting a new one. Many young girls and guys choose to "play the field" nowadays as we use to call it. It is like they don't want to commit to one person exclusively when they are young. It is very common also to have close friends of both genders. Back in my days; girls hung with girls and guys hung with guys. Of course unless you were at a party type setting. It is more about just having fun. I asked my granddaughter about the song verses young people post of fb as she does this often and she said it reflects their present frame of mind, something they are going through at the time. HTH and MOO.

 

[Woodland]

I don't want to twist your words, but it seems as if you implying that typically the only people who would do favours for a woman are guys who are in a close relationship (meaning receiving sex from that woman). To me first of all, that would be no different than giving someone a ride when they are going the same way. In my experience, I have done a lot of favours for woman without ever expecting sex or having a close relationship from them, and vice versa. I personally disagree and think that many guy friends would do that if they have the capabilities.

And once her relationship with SL broke up, she would have been free to post any pictures of any guys she liked. Also, she was dating SL at the time of that post, perhaps the post was related to him, since it's not really common for girls with boyfriends to post that they are in love with someone else so casually, so that, even if her friends had asked if it was just a lyric or her true feelings, they would assume that she was talking about her current boyfriend, would they not? I don't really think that she was talking about someone, I think she just had a song stuck in her head.

BBM

Fwiw I didn't read that at all in the original post - that thought is so 3 decades old - in my experience with 2 kids and 2 step-kids less that 3 decades old, they always had male and female friends with no implications. When they were/are dating have never seen jealousy or other negative reactions to these age old friends from the new 'datee'. It seems to be an accepted practice that a new girl/boyfriend will have friends of both genders and they are to be accepted and not worried about.

To make implications on thoughts not expressed in the original post, then say it's not your experience seems, well, um, ... can't find the right/acceptable words. Jmo.

 

[Woodland]

I think that since Brittney Spears is one of the artists she is a fan of, according to that FB page, that she was just quoting song lyrics like so many people do.

Are there any pictures of her and DM on her page like there are of SL? I find often when someone has a new boyfriend, they take down the the facebook pictures of their ex boyfriend and replace them with ones of the new boyfriend. Although if SL still had access to her personal Facebook page even after her disappearance, she might not have been comfortable making those changes. In fact, if someone else had access to her Facebook account, there is a possibility that they were the one making some posts, not her.

BBM

A response is not necessary but having trouble comprehending the bolded statement after reading it many times - LB was monitoring her FB page after no one had heard from her? She ignored posts to her fb page by others that were attributed to her? Her disappearance is voluntary? Maybe I'm off base - TIA if clarified.

 

[Snoofo]

I think Jub means LB would not be comfortable making changes to FB relationship status or photos if SL could access her FB after they stopped dating (since it appears he could access it even after she went missing). You have to consider the lines before the bolded statement.

So far as her disappearance being voluntary, isnt that what LE believed for about a year (and may still believe)?

 

[Variant]

So far as her disappearance being voluntary, isnt that what LE believed for about a year (and may still believe)?

..and that's why LE has been at DM's farm twice now, saying that it was in relation to the LB case, because they believe she disappeared voluntarily?