Laura Babcock Murder Trial 10.27.17 - Day 5

[Velma]

Adrian Humphreys‏Verified account @AD_Humphreys 3m3 minutes ago
Replying to @AD_Humphreys
Witness Jeff Wilson, a TV and film producer, says he met #Babcock in a bar, she needed a place to stay and offered his apartment for 2 weeks

Adrian Humphreys‏Verified account @AD_Humphreys 2m2 minutes ago
Replying to @AD_Humphreys
He says he asked her to leave when she wasn't finding a job or apartment; the next morning she had scratched her wrists, making them bleed.

Adrian Humphreys‏Verified account @AD_Humphreys 60s60 seconds ago
Replying to @AD_Humphreys
#Babcock wasn't his girlfriend. Last he saw her was when he dropped stuff she forgot off at a hotel. "She seemed happy to be somewhere."

 

[Velma]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 26s26 seconds ago
Millard is now up to cross Wilson. Has questions about his relationship with #Babcock.

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 9s9 seconds ago
We're back in court. Dellen Millard is now cross examining Jeff Wilson.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 12s12 seconds ago
Wilson never saw #Babcock pay for anything, he says. She would buy things when he was at work. He looked up her prescriptions on internet.

 

[mimimic]

Maybe CN's other trial was only referring to her own trial(?) new post on her IG. she is likely waiting for us to see/talk about it. Omg I don't understand why this case consumes me, it only sickens and angers me!

 

[Velma]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 16s16 seconds ago
"Sir, do you have a copy of your statement handy?" Wilson is given one, and directed to read "quietly. Perhaps it will refresh your memory."

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 13s13 seconds ago
Millard establishes that "we are many years later." Wilson still says he never saw a credit card or bank card in #Babcock's possession

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 20s20 seconds ago
"You guys spent a lot of time together," #Millard says to Wilson, who agrees. He got to know #Babcock's history, Wilson agrees

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 51s51 seconds ago
Millard wants to know more about "the fellow who was in your apartment smoking marijuana," and whether it was one person or two.

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 9s9 seconds ago
Millard asks if he ever saw Babcock use debit or credit cards. He thinks she had one, but he gave her money to buy things for the apartment.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 25s25 seconds ago
Millard is getting Wilson to check his statement again. "Ya, it was only one person," The "dudes" was a typo in the police report, he says.

Oct 27 2017 10:46 AM
Shannon Martin

Dellen Millard is now cross examining Jeff Wilson.

Millard asks if he ever saw Babcock use bank cards - debit or credit. He said she thought she had one, but he gave her money to buy things for the apartment.

Millard asks, "you spent alot of time together?" Wilson says, "yes."

Millard, "she's educated, she's a smart girl?" Wilson agrees.

Millard confirms he never met Wilson.

 

[Velma]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 50s50 seconds ago
What kind of bar is Rhino? #Millard asks. A sports bar. Wilson would go there to drink. alone. The first night heard about #Babcock problems

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 34s34 seconds ago
When she stayed with Wilson #Babcock stayed in the guest bedroom, Wilson says. He got impression she didn't get along with her parents

Oct 27 2017 10:49 AM
Shannon Martin

Millard circles back to the first night Wilson met Babcock, at the Rhino bar on Queen. Babcock told Wilson she was having trouble with her roommate.

Millard asks Wilson where Babcock slept in his apartment. Wilson says in the guest bedroom.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 45s45 seconds ago
Some kind of relationship problem with her father? #Millard asks, and Wilson agrees. Millard wants to know more about #Babcock meds

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 13s13 seconds ago
Wilson thinks #Babcock was on 3 kinds of meds. Anti-anxiety, Anti-psychotic, and for sleeping. He researched them on the internet.

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 9s9 seconds ago
Millard circles back to first night Wilson met Babcock, at Rhino bar on Queen. Babcock told Wilson she was having trouble with her roommate.

 

[Velma]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 60s60 seconds ago
Millard keeps suggesting #Babcock was on five different kinds of meds, but Wilson remembers three.

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 59s59 seconds ago
Millard asks Wilson where Babcock slept in his apartment. Wilson says in the guest bedroom.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Wilson didn't see #Babcock cut herself, "just the aftermath," when she came into his room bleeding, #Millard establishes

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 26s26 seconds ago
Wilson is not involved in any criminality so he would not hesitate to call police if he really thought someone would kill herself, he says.

marianne boucher‏ @CityCourtsTO 21s21 seconds ago
Millard crossing Wilson.
Millard asks if scratches on Babcock's arms were enough to draw blood. Not just a few drops Took effort
Wilson: yes

 

[Velma]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 44s44 seconds ago
#Babcock told Wilson she was an escort, right? #Millard wonders if Wilson had the impression #Babcock was seeing clients at his apt. No.

Oct 27 2017 10:56 AM
Shannon Martin

Millard asks Wilson, if Babcock told him she was an escort. He says yes.

Millard asks if she paid rent, or for food while she stayed at his home.

Millard says, "I'm going to suggest she was trading sex for these things."

Wilson, "that's not the case."

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 39s39 seconds ago
"There was no compensation," from #Babcock for staying at Wilson's apartment, he says. Bristling a bit.

marianne boucher‏ @CityCourtsTO 6s6 seconds ago
Millard: Dis she tell u she was using your place to work as a prostitute?
Wilson:No
Millard :She was trading sex to stay w you?
Wilson: Nope

 

[Velma]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 34s34 seconds ago
A phrase he used, "get rid of Laura" sounds sinister, doesn't it? #Millard asks Wilson if he harboured any ill feeling about #Babcock. No

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 10s10 seconds ago
Millard asks Wilson, if Babcock told him she was an escort. Did she pay rent, or for food while she stayed at his home?

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 33s34 seconds ago
"Why a couple weeks? Why not longer?" #Babcock didn't put any effort into finding a place to live or a job, Wilson repeats.

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 30s30 seconds ago
Millard says, "I'm going to suggest she was trading sex for these things."
Wilson, "that's not the case."

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 7s7 seconds ago
"She tended to tell, a lot of kind of, stories, didn't she?" #Millard asks how long it took to get the impression #Babcock made stuff up

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 3s3 seconds ago
"A week and a bit," Wilson says at that point he didn't find #Babcock credible. Looking at police stmt, realizes it was three days.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 8s8 seconds ago
"You used the words embellishment," #Millard says. "You couldn't believe anything coming out of her mouth, correct?" Wilson agrees.

Oct 27 2017 11:00 AM
Shannon Martin

Millard is taking Wilson through his police statement.

In the statement, Wilson says he started to question if some of the things she was telling him was true, within three days of her staying at his home.

 

[Velma]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 54s54 seconds ago
"When you decided to get rid of her, she was still sending you texts, right?" #Millard asks. Wilson stopped responding when he went to BC

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 19s19 seconds ago
Wilson would regularly go to BC, he agrees, He never suggested taking #Babcock west, he says. #Millard asks him to chk stmt again.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews now
Judge wants to know at what point #Babcock's texts stopped. "She would text every day or two, then they stopped," Wilson says.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 27s27 seconds ago
"You kicked her out, cut off communication," #Millard says, to sum up. He's done. Dungey has no questions.

 

[Velma]

Oct 27 2017 11:03 AM
Shannon Martin

Wilson said Babcock was texting him everyday but then the messages suddenly stopped.

Millard has wrapped questioning.

Smich's lawyer Thomas Dungey declines to cross examine Jeff Wilson.

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago
Wilson said Babcock was texting him everyday but then the messages suddenly stopped. Millard has wrapped questioning.

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 60s60 seconds ago
Smich's lawyer Thomas Dungey declines to cross examine Jeff Wilson.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Lockhart is back up for redirect. He knows #Babcock bought things during day because he'd come home to find candles, incense, etc.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
More
Wilson is done his testimony. #Babcock

 

[Velma]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews now
Next witness at #Babcock trial is Sohail Khattak. I may have misheard the spelling of his name.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 20s20 seconds ago
Khattak is 53. Has lived in the GTA for 29 years. He is a doctor who specializes in ADHD. Practicing since 1997. #Babcock

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 6s6 seconds ago
Crown attorney Ken Lockhart calls Dr. Sohail Khattak as the next witness.

Oct 27 2017 11:08 AM
Shannon Martin

Crown attorney Ken Lockhart calls Dr. Sohail Khattak as the next witness.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 46s46 seconds ago
Khattak has met Laura #Babcock. "If I recall correctly, it was about three times," he says.

 

[Velma]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 35s35 seconds ago
The meetings were in 2012, Khattak believes. "I was at the bar with a friend, her name was Julie, and we had been drinking."

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 44s44 seconds ago
His friend didn't want to drive, so her friend Laura #Babcock came to the Hyatt to get Julie. June 2012, he thinks

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 46s46 seconds ago
He and Julie had dinner, drinks, went back to the room, had more drinks, were chatting. "She needed advice on personal matters," he says

Oct 27 2017 11:11 AM
Shannon Martin

Khattak met Laura Babcock three times in 2012.

Khattak was drinking at the Park Hyatt with Babcock's friend Julie, who he also met in 2012. Julie was "feeling tipsy" and called a friend - Laura Babcock to come get her.

Khattak said Julie and him had dinner and drinks, and then more drinks in a hotel room.


Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 49s49 seconds ago
"I was getting tired so I wanted to sleep and she wanted to go home but didn't want to take a cab by herself late at night," Khattak says

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 29s29 seconds ago
Khattak met Laura Babcock three times in 2012. Khattak was drinking at the Park Hyatt with Babcock's friend Julie, who he also met in 2012.

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 50s51 seconds ago
Julie was "feeling tipsy" and called a friend - Laura Babcock to come get her.

 

[Velma]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 23s23 seconds ago
Khattak says he and Julie went back to the room when the bar closed, around midnight. #Babcock would have arrived after 3am.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 42s42 seconds ago
"When she arrived, Julia went to the washroom and introduced me to Laura... we chatted... once the cab was downstairs (they left)" Khattak

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 53s53 seconds ago
Khattak believes Laura #Babcock was in the room for about 40 minutes. "She gave me her phone number," he says he also gave #Babcock his #

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 8s8 seconds ago
"She seemed to be a very intelligent person," Khattak says of #Babcock, who told him of trouble with family, & her career aspirations

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Khattak doesn't remember seeing any injuries on #Babcock. The 2nd time he met her was "within a few weeks."

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago
Khattak said Babcock came up to the hotel room, and the 3 chatted for about 45 minutes. Khattak says he and Babcock exchanged phone numbers.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
"I was supposed to meet with Julie, and Julie brought her, because I think she was staying with Julie. So they both came," Khattak says

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
It was at the Park Hyatt again, Khattak says of his next meeting with Julie and #Babcock.

marianne boucher‏ @CityCourtsTO 39s39 seconds ago
Millard: In your police statement u used the words" get rid of her" U didn't mean murder her?
Wilson: No ..Not at all, she was a good person

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 35s35 seconds ago
It was the rooftop bar at the Park Hyatt, Khattak says. Late evening. They went to the room after it closed, they chatted & had more drinks

Oct 27 2017 11:18 AM
Shannon Martin

Khattak said Babcock came up to the hotel room, and the three of them chatted for about 45 minutes.

Khattak says he and Babcock exchanged phone numbers.

Khattak says she was very enthusiastic about her studies. He remember her saying she had some difficulty with her family.

"She was a very intelligent girl who was going through some emotionally difficult times."

Oct 27 2017 11:21 AM
Shannon Martin

Khattak describes the second meeting - dinner, drinks and chats - with Babcock and her friend Julie. Again at the Park Hyatt.

He says they went up to his hotel room where there were more drinks and chats, and then the two women left as they had plans.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 34s34 seconds ago
Then the girls had something else to do so they left, Khattak says. About 4:30 am, he figures, after checking statement.

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 33s33 seconds ago
Khattak describes the second meeting - dinner, drinks and chats - with Babcock and her friend Julie. Again at the Park Hyatt.

 

[andreww]

Who has "Something else to do" at 4:30 am????

 

[Velma]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Laura #Babcock explained to Khattak she was staying with Julie but looking for another apartment, he says.

marianne boucher‏ @CityCourtsTO 2m2 minutes ago
Next witness is Dr Suhail Khattak met Babcock at the Park Hyatt, thru his friend Julie. "A very intelligent girl going thru difficult time.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Laura #Babcock had found an apartment but needed a security deposit and to co-sign her lease. He doesn't think he promised to pay rent.

Oct 27 2017 11:24 AM
Shannon Martin

Babcock told Khattak about her living situation, she wanted to find an apartment closer to the University.

Khattak offered to co-sign a lease and help her with the deposit.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 21s21 seconds ago
Khattak now remembers he promised to pay three months rent, first last and another, for #Babcock. A few weeks passed before his 3rd meeting

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 44s44 seconds ago
Khattak and #Babcock texted each other in between second and third meetings. "We were communicating about the rent," he says

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 3s3 seconds ago
Babcock told Khattak about her living situation. He offered to co-sign a lease and help her with a deposit.

 

[Velma]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
The third meeting, #Babcock told Khattak she had found an apartment. They met at Park Hyatt hotel. "She came to the room, late evening."

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 39s39 seconds ago
They ordered room service and had drinks. #Babcock told him about an apartment she'd found in the Danforth area.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 15s15 seconds ago
The third time, Khattak and #Babcock were alone. That was the only time they were alone, Khattak says.

Oct 27 2017 11:29 AM
Shannon Martin

Khattak said he exchanged text messages with Babcock, mostly about his offer to help her with first and last month's rent.

On their third and final meeting, Khattak and Babcock met at the Park Hyatt. She went to his room, they ordered room service and drinks, and Babcock told him about the place she'd found. A place on the Danforth that a friend was moving out of.

 

[Velma]

This looks pretty darn sketchy to me... 50-something doctor having middle-of-the-night "drinks and chats" with early-20's girls in a hotel room? Are we being sold ocean-front property in Arizona too?

 

[Velma]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 57s57 seconds ago
The third meeting ended abruptly, Khattak says. #Babcock got a phone call, locked herself in washroom, and then told him she had to leave.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 24s24 seconds ago
She was in the bathroom to have a private phone call, Khattak says "she seemed disturbed." #Babcock left after midnight.

Oct 27 2017 11:32 AM
Shannon Martin

Dr. Khattak realizes he misspoke. The apartment she mentioned was on Dufferin.

He said their third and final meeting came to an abrupt end. She received a phone call, and went into the bathroom to have a private conversation. She then came out and said she had to leave immediately.

"She was very disturbed."

 

[Busymom4]

This looks pretty darn sketchy to me... 50-something doctor having middle-of-the-night "drinks and chats" with early-20's girls in a hotel room? Are we being sold ocean-front property in Arizona too?

Exactly!! This cross should be interesting to say the least!!

 

[meterclicks]

This looks pretty darn sketchy to me... 50-something doctor having middle-of-the-night "drinks and chats" with early-20's girls in a hotel room? Are we being sold ocean-front property in Arizona too?

AND offering to pay 3 months rent for someone he just met?

... I know the wrong people :facepalm: