Laura Babcock Murder Trial 12.07.17 - Charge to the Jury - Day 1

[meterclicks]

Code says that "now we're in the home stretch." This is a late one, today. He originally told the jury they'd be done by 5 p.m.
by Adam Carter 5:26 PM

 

[Ashley96]

Code says that "now we're in the home stretch." This is a late one, today. He originally told the jury they'd be done by 5 p.m.
by Adam Carter 5:26 PM

He's punishing them for refusing to spend the weekend in his court

 

[MsSherlock]

Yes I would imagine! I think about the jury quite often during this trial, even moreso today as I read along with the Judge’s charge to the jury, and how very complex it seems (though that could be my aging brain again), but one thing I’ve noted in my limited experience with the legal system, is how much respect and honor? the judges give the jury. I’m not sure how to put it, but I appreciate the lengths they go through.

I hate to put it this way, but in the words of CN, it makes me feel “all warm & fuzzy”. Sorry, too soon

It is really amazing how much weight the Jurors get put onto their shoulders during these final days. I would imagine that at this point in the trial, they're so focused on what the Judge is saying, the evidence they've heard, the closing arguments, that normal life is a blur to them. I believe that they're sitting with a full compliment of Jurors right now, so there's also the thought that they may be one of the two selected to go home when it's time to deliberate. MOO

 

[Jasper52]

Question re deliberation process - who is leading the discussion? anybody monitoring it?

Deliberations haven't started yet. Most likely to start next Tuesday. Once the jury has the case, they would then select a jury foreman.

 

[Nosey Parker]

He's punishing them for refusing to spend the weekend in his court

LOL at this

 

[meterclicks]

The jury appears to be still paying attention to code, though they're noticeably more fidgety than they were at the start of the day.
by Adam Carter 5:31 PM

"You're done for the day, you've been real troopers," Code says. "You're now very learned in the law of evidence." Tomorrow at 10 a.m. we're going to "take a tour through the law of homicide." That's it for me today. Thanks for following along.
by Adam Carter 5:33 PM

 

[Nakasaka]

how the foreman being chosen? can anybody elaborate?

 

[ab-initio]

Hi Nosey Parker, was it ever confirmed that Laura did in fact leave Lacey herself?

I wondered that too ... but it was mentioned in the same breath that she did laundry/dishes in that same instance.
How that's known, I don't know.

 

[Shaz14]

I wondered that too ... but it was mentioned in the same breath that she did laundry/dishes in that same instance.
How that's known, I don't know.

Her parents came home to a clean house?

 

[don_quixote]

About CN. Take it for what it's worth, but I think I saw her getting on public transportation about the right place and right time to get to 360 University by 10. It was one of the last days of crown presenting. Not even 97% confident though - sharp angle and not enough interest to confirm.

 

[Grey-St]

how the foreman being chosen? can anybody elaborate?

I would suspect that someone confident would volunteer. The main thing that a foreman does is read out the verdict in court, so probably someone who isn't shy to speak in front of people would be a good fit. To answer your other question, I don't think anyone other than the jury is in the jury room (so no one supervising, etc).

 

[Bluepopsicle]

I appreciate everyone on these threads.

Such a supportive and compassionate group you are!

Justice for Laura

I agree!!! If only the entire internet was so intelligent and compassionate. What a wonderful resource it could be. It’s sad that a forum like this is the exception, rather than the rule. I guess it just makes one appreciate it all the more.

 

[Grey-St]

About CN. Take it for what it's worth, but I think I saw her getting on public transportation about the right place and right time to get to 360 University by 10. It was one of the last days of crown presenting. Not even 97% confident though - sharp angle and not enough interest to confirm.

My condolences to you, if it was really her. :laughing:

 

[winter2017]

Pfft, she was there to see her prince, that she probably helped get convicted by the letter. what a she is.

About CN. Take it for what it's worth, but I think I saw her getting on public transportation about the right place and right time to get to 360 University by 10. It was one of the last days of crown presenting. Not even 97% confident though - sharp angle and not enough interest to confirm.

 

[don_quixote]

My condolences to you, if it was really her. :laughing:

This time I managed to escape. Gotta start wearing a scarf to cover my face and the shaving basin

 

[winter2017]

Websleuths is an American site, but I said on another forum since I saw so many participate on another one, and the interest in these cases, maybe we need to have a Canadian Websleuths.
I have learned a lot from following these two cases. I probably could never be on a jury, I could not be impartial.
I now listening to the judge give instructions to the jury am learning a lot about how the jury has to reach the verdict.
I think this forum and others are educational to the justice system and provide a lot of good information.
It is also a good learning experience to listen to opposing views of the cases. I learned a lot from opposing comments.
There is another case in Hamilton of a man who shot a good samaritan just recently.
The police were looking for the murder suspect and now a police officer who is on my fb page announced the suspect has been captured today.
Wishing you all a MERRY CHRISTMAS.
Thanks for all of you input , it has been educational.
We now will hear the final instructions of the judge and await the verdict.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

I don’t see the thank you button in the mobile browser

Ah yes, I’m on my phone but clicked the desktop version

 

[Shaz14]

Websleuths is an American site, but I said on another forum since I saw so many participate on another one, and the interest in these cases, maybe we need to have a Canadian Websleuths.
I have learned a lot from following these two cases. I probably could never be on a jury, I could not be impartial.
I now listening to the judge give instructions to the jury am learning a lot about how the jury has to reach the verdict.
I think this forum and others are educational to the justice system and provide a lot of good information.
It is also a good learning experience to listen to opposing views of the cases. I learned a lot from opposing comments.
There is another case in Hamilton of a man who shot a good samaritan just recently.
The police were looking for the murder suspect and now a police officer who is on my fb page announced the suspect has been captured today.
Wishing you all a MERRY CHRISTMAS.
Thanks for all of you input , it has been educational.
We now will hear the final instructions of the judge and await the verdict.

Yes, the Good Samaritan muder, as well as the muder of that poor young woman in Toronto near Church and Wellesley last week are likely going to be 2 big cases, assuming they catch that woman’s killer. For sure I wish these terrible murders never happened but I find it so interesting to hear the stories of the people involved and learn about how the law works. It certainly is educational. I’m glad that I found WS.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Just wanted to highlight this post from Alban. This is the information about the cell phone pings that was presented on November 2 and that we have all been wanting to see!
:drumroll:

MOO

So I see DM used the 1539 Harvester Rd in Burlington for his “truck parts” pick up on July 4th at 12:27pm on cell record. 4-Wheel Parts is located at 5379 Harvester rd. I’m not sure what Attrige Transportation is though. I’m assuming these are just phone pings?

Only problem with DM going to get parts is... anyone that goes into 4-wheel Parts is usually in there for more than ONE minute lol

 

[CJPRINCESS]

About CN. Take it for what it's worth, but I think I saw her getting on public transportation about the right place and right time to get to 360 University by 10. It was one of the last days of crown presenting. Not even 97% confident though - sharp angle and not enough interest to confirm.

You are probably right! I don’t want to keep repeating myself but DM, Dungey and Judge all made it sound like she was there and ready to testify for the crown but for whatever reason, whether CN turned very hostile or crown found out CN and DM were still talking or ??? They didn’t put her on the stand.

MOO