Lawmaker skinny-dipped on Israel trip

  • #41
Spare me with the anti Israel theme.

I don't play that.

It is not an anti-Israel theme, rather a pro-US theme. Surprising how many people are pro-US and do play THAT theme.

Our dollars, that should be spent in this country, are bleeding out, not just figuratively but literally. We have soldiers, our young men and women, dying in the Middle East, shedding their blood for no good reason.

Bush's Follies cost this country too much money, time to stop.
 
  • #42
Bush's "follies" kept us safe for a long time.
 
  • #43
It is not an anti-Israel theme, rather a pro-US theme. Surprising how many people are pro-US and do play THAT theme.

Our dollars, that should be spent in this country, are bleeding out, not just figuratively but literally. We have soldier's, our young men and women, dying in the Middle East, shedding their blood for no good reason.

Bush's Follies cost this country too much money, time to stop.

The post I was responding to was an anti Israel theme.

What's stopping Obama from pulling troops out of Afghanastan?

If it's time to stop, what's the problem?

Partisan blinders does not an argument make.
 
  • #44
Bush's "follies" kept us safe for a long time.

No they didn't. How are we safer? The financial quagmire that Bush's Follies put us in has left this country in a precarious position.




American Military Casualties in Iraq
Total-4488 In Combat-3532

American Deaths

Since war began (3/19/03):
Total-4488

In Combat-3532

Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03) (the list)
Total-4347

In Combat-3424

Since Handover (6/29/04):

Total-3627

In Combat-2899

Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09):

Total-257

In Combat-128


Since Operation New Dawn:

Toral-68

In Combat-39


Latest Fatality Feb. 11, 2012

http://antiwar.com/casualties/
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Lance Corporal Buckley became the 1,990th American service member to die in the war when, on Aug. 10, he and two other Marines were shot inside their base in Helmand Province by a man who appears to have been a member of the Afghan forces they were training.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/u...aims-2000th-american-life.html?pagewanted=all
 
  • #45
Since somehow this skinny dipping thread turned into an anti Israel, anti Bush thread I will say this and move back onto topic...

War is Hell. War is not cheap. There will always be casualties. Our forces have done a great job protecting us, fighting terror, and helping women in the middle east.

Sometimes war is needed.

While I don't expect you to agree, I believe Bush kept us safer by his actions.

Now, back to skinny dipping.
I really don't see what the big deal is.

JMO
 
  • #46
  • #47
Since somehow this skinny dipping thread turned into an anti Israel, anti Bush thread I will say this and move back onto topic...

War is Hell. War is not cheap. There will always be casualties. Our forces have done a great job protecting us, fighting terror, and helping women in the middle east.

Sometimes war is needed.

While I don't expect you to agree, I believe Bush kept us safer by his actions.

Now, back to skinny dipping.
I really don't see what the big deal is.

JMO

How many tens of thousands died? How many trillions of dollars were spent because you believe something you can't prove?
 
  • #48
Since somehow this skinny dipping thread turned into an anti Israel, anti Bush thread I will say this and move back onto topic...

War is Hell. War is not cheap. There will always be casualties. Our forces have done a great job protecting us, fighting terror, and helping women in the middle east.

Sometimes war is needed.

While I don't expect you to agree, I believe Bush kept us safer by his actions.

Now, back to skinny dipping.
I really don't see what the big deal is.

JMO


Kimberly.........these are some of the same people that believe we are evil for dropping the bomb on Japan.
 
  • #49
Hearing "financial quagmire" from Obama supporters..........priceless.
 
  • #50
How do you know? He couldn't even find Bin Laden.

Obama wouldn't have found him without those evil intelligence gathering policies that he faux raged against...
 
  • #51
Since somehow this skinny dipping thread turned into an anti Israel, anti Bush thread I will say this and move back onto topic...

War is Hell. War is not cheap. There will always be casualties. Our forces have done a great job protecting us, fighting terror, and helping women in the middle east.
Sometimes war is needed.

While I don't expect you to agree, I believe Bush kept us safer by his actions.

Now, back to skinny dipping.
I really don't see what the big deal is.

JMO

helping women in the middle east

Helping women in the Middle East is absurd when there are women dying here, in this country, because the full VAWA re-authorization hasn't been passed. Why are women in the Middle East more important than American Indian women is this country that are not fully protected by VAWA? American Indian women vote is US elections, Middle Eastern women don't.

This IS a skinny-dipping about some Kansas Rep., who was more concerned for what he wanted than maintaining the decorum of his office. No wonder the term Ugly American came about. Only those with a pro-Israel agenda would see this thread as an anti-Israel thread when, in fact, it isn't. It is a pro-US thread.



Multiple agendas are at work here. One of them – partisan politics – is obvious. Another – the simple protection of Indian women – ought to be above politics. They are victimized at scandalous rates and often have little legal recourse.

Tribal criminal justice systems currently have no jurisdiction over major crimes committed by non-Indians. Federal prosecutors, who do have jurisdiction, are typically far too busy to handle common domestic violence cases. This is an intolerable gap of justice.

Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/...ian-women-without-diluting.html#storylink=cpy

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  • #52
Hearing "financial quagmire" from Obama supporters..........priceless.

Obama supporters who completely understand HOW the current circumstances came to be. We know what 8 years of the Bush-led Republican administration did, we don't want that absurdity again!
 
  • #53
are Jewish as are most of the lawyers I work with and they're all liberal Democrats and supporters of Israel, within reason, as they all fear the rightwing elements in Israel just like they fear them in the US.

We have occassionally discussed the odd affinity envangelicals have for Jews. Course, once you analyze it, the support doesn't leave you with comfort. Evangelicals believe that they have to be nice to the Jews in order to be blessed and ultimately they need Israel to bring about Armageddon where all but 144,000 Jews on earth will perish when the Rapture happens. Oh, and those 144,000 only get saved because they renounce their Jewishness and become Christians. So, who's really anti Israel?

According to their reading of the Bible, God established a covenant with Abraham in the Book of Genesis. Essentially, says Beliefnet columnist Richard Land, a Southern Baptist leader with close ties to the Bush Administration, evangelicals support Israel because they believe "God blesses those that bless the Jews and curses those who curse the Jews. Consequently, we believe America needs to bless the Jews and Israel, because if we bless the Jews and support Israel, God blesses us. And if we don't, God curses us.

But it goes beyond that. The establishment--and continuation--of the State of Israel is essential to set the stage for the imminent return of Jesus. At the time of the Second Coming, these Christians believe, Jesus will descend from heaven, subdue all of Israel's enemies and take believers to heaven in what is known as the Rapture--literally, they will ascend to the clouds to be in heaven. This series of events ushers in the end-times. According to conservative Christians' reading of the Book of Revelation, this won't happen unless Israel exists in the Holy Land.


Read more: http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2002/06/The-Rapture-Factor.aspx#ixzz24EJVxE7b
Read more: http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2002/06/The-Rapture-Factor.aspx#ixzz24EJJKi6G

One of my favorite articles about this comes from the Jewish Journal in an article about a movie, Waiting for Armageddon, and about the support that envangelicals have for the Jews.

..he noted that many Israelis and Diaspora Jews are not fully aware of the ultimate theological price attached to Evangelicals’ unswerving support of Israel.

Nothing in the film is as startling as the utter calmness and precision with which Laura Bagg, who with her husband James works as an engineer at a Connecticut jet propulsion facility, lays out the scenario.

First comes the Rapture, in which all who believe in Christ will be snatched up to heaven in one sixty-fourth of a second. Exactly 144,000 Jews will save themselves on the spot by accepting Christ, but the rest will perish, she says.

Next come seven years of Tribulations, with catastrophes and horrors to make all previous wars and natural disasters pale in comparison...

Ultimately, all the world’s armies converge at Armageddon, and “blood will rise as high as a horse’s bridle,” Laura Bagg notes quietly, culminating in the reign of Christ and 1,000 years of peace and harmony.

However, the forerunner for all these pre-ordained events is the return of the Jews to their homeland. To that end, Evangelicals celebrated the victories of 1948 and 1967 as joyously as any Jews, foreseeing destruction of the Dome of the Rock and other Muslim holy places, the building of the Third Temple and continuing turmoil in the Middle East.

“You see, it’s all God’s plan, and it all centers around Israel,” James Bagg declares.

From the modern Jewish perspective, the case is summarized by Israeli historian Gershom Gorenberg, who observes, “Our Christian friends say to the Jews, ‘We love you, but you must cease being Jews, you must give up what is most central to you.’”

http://www.jewishjournal.com/film/article/jews_evangelicals_strange_bedfellows_20100202/

It is not an anti-Israel theme, rather a pro-US theme. Surprising how many people are pro-US and do play THAT theme.

Our dollars, that should be spent in this country, are bleeding out, not just figuratively but literally. We have soldiers, our young men and women, dying in the Middle East, shedding their blood for no good reason.

Bush's Follies cost this country too much money, time to stop.
 
  • #54
How do you know? He couldn't even find Bin Laden.

"he" wasn't looking. Neither was BO.

The SEALS and our intelligence found OBL.

Probably the same people that were sent there by BUSH.
 
  • #55
Back to the skinny-dipping.... I think the late night drinking probably had something to do with it, but I don't see it as being a big deal. If anyone didn't want to see it, they could look the other way. (I probably would have stared.)
 
  • #56
I've heard nobody complain about this until the grossly inaccurate POLITICO article came out.

This was a year ago.

So, I guess nobody was offended enough to say anything?
 
  • #57
are Jewish as are most of the lawyers I work with and they're all liberal Democrats and supporters of Israel, within reason, as they all fear the rightwing elements in Israel just like they fear them in the US.

We have occassionally discussed the odd affinity envangelicals have for Jews. Course, once you analyze it, the support doesn't leave you with comfort. Evangelicals believe that they have to be nice to the Jews in order to be blessed and ultimately they need Israel to bring about Armageddon where all but 144,000 Jews on earth will perish when the Rapture happens. Oh, and those 144,000 only get saved because they renounce their Jewishness and become Christians. So, who's really anti Israel?



One of my favorite articles about this comes from the Jewish Journal in an article about a movie, Waiting for Armageddon, and about the support that envangelicals have for the Jews.



http://www.jewishjournal.com/film/article/jews_evangelicals_strange_bedfellows_20100202/



And I believe that Israel has every right to exist ........... a small dot on the map in a sea of extremist animals.

Know why Jews are liberal? Could it perhaps be due to their history of persecution?

I constantly hear about foreign aid and Israel.

And very little about foreign aid to countries who are non allies.

I know what side I'm on...........but then again, I'm just an infidel.
 
  • #58
I've heard nobody complain about this until the grossly inaccurate POLITICO article came out.

This was a year ago.

So, I guess nobody was offended enough to say anything?

Yes it was a year ago.............not meaning to derail the thread.

It's just so silly and "gotcha"............lol, I'm jaded.
 
  • #59
*peeks head into thread*

dang ya'll send him on up to Canada - I'd take him over Harper anyday
 
  • #60
Yes it was a year ago.............not meaning to derail the thread.

It's just so silly and "gotcha"............lol, I'm jaded.

So let's say Axelrod and Ari and Carney were on a foreign fact finding mission of some kind. And late one night, 20 of them drank the local wine and sitting by a local private beach, they all decided to jump into the water for a midnight swim. And let's say Axelrod jumped into the ocean, in the dark, in the nude. Does anyone think any of the dems would be calling for his resignation and for him to be fired? A year later, no less?
 

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