Lawrence Smith Replies - If you can say that

[UKGuy]

We don't know whether JonBeent was actually wrapped in a blanket - we only have John Ramsey's word that this was so. But the blanket could simply have been thrown on the body.

rashomon,
We don't know, how come? Steve Thomas in his book states:

Fleet White ... turned, and ran for help.

John Ramsey picked up his daughter, who had been carefully wrapped, papoose-like, in a white blanket, and followed.

Would Fleet White not have been able to tell us if JonBenet was not wrapped in the blanket? He states he saw JonBenet's corpse lying on her back.

Not being wrapped papoose-like suggests even more that JonBenet may have been readied for redressing in the barbie-gown.

Also there were two blankets not one!

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[UKGuy]

What do you mean by "killed in the toilet"???
She may have been attacked in her room (or in the bathroom) first, getting the head injury, and later died down in the basement after the staging of the garrote scene.

rashomon,
Because we do not truly know where she was killed, as opposed to physically assaulted.

Quote:
UKGuy, though we agree on some things- I disagree on these- I do not feel forensic evidence supports there being a long time between death and placement in the wineceller.

If JonBenet is physically assaulted upstairs, as per the forensic evidence put forward by DeeDee249, and there is no time-gap, then JonBenet was garroted in the wine-cellar shortly after being physically assaulted?

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[rashomon]

rashomon,
We don't know, how come? Steve Thomas in his book states:

Would Fleet White not have been able to tell us if JonBenet was not wrapped in the blanket? He states he saw JonBenet's corpse lying on her back.

Not being wrapped papoose-like suggests even more that JonBenet may have been readied for redressing in the barbie-gown.

Also there were two blankets not one!

ST merely states what John Ramsey described.
Does FW mention anything about her having been wrapped papoose-style? Or did he just see her lying on her back without paying specific attention. And didn't her feet stick out? This also would contradict a papoose-style wrapping.
I can imagine a scenario in which Patsy quickly grabbed a blanket from the dryer and threw it over JonBenet, possibly overlooking that a Barbie gown adhered to it by static cling.
I don't believe they turned the light in the wine cellar on at all, but merely placed the body there in the dark. The Ramseys overlooked so many things - for example, they obviously were not aware that one wrist ligature had already come off before the body was 'found' by John Ramsey, so it would not surprise me at all that they would not notice the nightgown down there in the dark basement.
But whatever the reason was for the nightgown being there - it was a mistake by the stagers of the scene (the Ramseys imo) to leave it there.

UKGuy - where does it say two blankets were found? Where is your source for that?

 

[rashomon]

If JonBenet is physically assaulted upstairs, as per the forensic evidence put forward by DeeDee249, and there is no time-gap, then JonBenet was garroted in the wine-cellar shortly after being physically assaulted?

The forensic evidence seems to support this.
For there was only mild swelling in her brain, and had she lived longer with that kind of head injury, there would have ben far more swelling. At least this is the opinion of an ER doc (whose credentials have been verified by the board admin) posting on another JBR forum.
Any additional info about the topic of brain swelling would therefore be highly welcome!

 

[UKGuy]

ST merely states what John Ramsey described.
Does FW mention anything about her having been wrapped papoose-style? Or did he just see her lying on her back without paying specific attention. And didn't her feet stick out? This also would contradict a papoose-style wrapping.
I can imagine a scenario in which Patsy quickly grabbed a blanket from the dryer and threw it over JonBenet, possibly overlooking that a Barbie gown adhered to it by static cling.
I don't believe they turned the light in the wine cellar on at all, but merely placed the body there in the dark. The Ramseys overlooked so many things - for example, they obviously were not aware that one wrist ligature had already come off before the body was 'found' by John Ramsey, so it would not surprise me at all that they would not notice the nightgown down there in the dark basement.
But whatever the reason was for the nightgown being there - it was a mistake by the stagers of the scene (the Ramseys imo) to leave it there.

UKGuy - where does it say two blankets were found? Where is your source for that?

rashomon,
Sure it could be as you describe, but if Fleet White did not not see JonBenet wrapped, would this not have been put to JR when he was interviewed on this subject?

Yes JonBenet's feet and arms were outside the blankets, but this would still be consistent with a papoose-like wrapping, where is the percentage in JR making this up, Fleet White says he was just steps behind JR when he made the discovery of Jonbenet's corpse?

and ... the source for the blankets
http://www.acandyrose.com/01301997warrant.htm

Det. Michael Everett informed Your Affiant that after the discovery of the girl's body that he walked through the basement area of the house to attempt to determine if any persons were present in the basement. In the area where Det. Arndt had told Det. Everett that the decedent had been found by her father he observed two blankets on the floor in the center of the room.

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[UKGuy]

The forensic evidence seems to support this.
For there was only mild swelling in her brain, and had she lived longer with that kind of head injury, there would have ben far more swelling. At least this is the opinion of an ER doc (whose credentials have been verified by the board admin) posting on another JBR forum.
Any additional info about the topic of brain swelling would therefore be highly welcome!

The outline opinion of Jay Dix, MD
Medical Examiner
Boone County, Missouri
Associate Professor of Pathology
University of Missouri
is

Complications of Trauma
The three major complications of head trauma are infection,
hemorrhage, and edema. Any open wound can become infected.
Open wounds in the brain rarely occur unless there is a skull
fracture. Occasionally fractures may be small and difficult to
diagnose, particularly fractures of the middle fossa and
cribriform plates. A diagnosed infection of the brain is usually
accompanied by a history of trauma several days before clinical
symptoms become apparent. A pathologist must ensure that the
dura is stripped away from the bone in order to identify the
defect.
Unexpected hemorrhages into injuries can occur in many
circumstances. For example, a subdural hemorrhage can rebleed.
Any person who has hypertension, liver disease, or a blood
disorder may bleed into a previously injured area like a
contusion.
Brain swelling is commonly associated with head trauma.
The swelling may be mild or cause considerable distortion
of the brain, both grossly and microscopically. Brain weight is
occasionally used by some pathologists to assess brain swelling
but is rarely reliable.

A few links on brain swelling etc:
Intracranial Pressure
http://www.waiting.com/abouttbiicp.html

A Guide to Brain Anatomy
http://www.waiting.com/brainanatomy.html

Symptom: Bleeding in the brain
http://wrongdiagnosis.com/sym/bleeding_in_the_brain.htm

How Can The Brain Be Injured?
http://www.braininjury.com/injured.html

 

[rashomon]

rashomon,
Sure it could be as you describe, but if Fleet White did not not see JonBenet wrapped, would this not have been put to JR when he was interviewed on this subject?

In the interviews, LE missed many times the opportunity to get the Ramseys with their back up against the wall simply by confronting them with contradictions.
For example, no one ever asked Patsy the bombshell question why she changed her story from JonBenet allegedly having been awake when the family got home to 'JonBenet was asleep when they got home'.
Or when Patsy obviously did not want to answer further questions about the red turtleneck, the interviewer let himself be fooled by her tears, let her take a break and instead of picking up later where he had left (= delving further into the red turtleneck issue), he switched to a different subject. No one played hardball with the Ramseys in those interviews. Mary Lacy reproaching T. Haney of having been too harsh on Patsy is a joke imo.

Yes JonBenet's feet and arms were outside the blankets, but this would still be consistent with a papoose-like wrapping, where is the percentage in JR making this up, Fleet White says he was just steps behind JR when he made the discovery of Jonbenet's corpse?

I'd be interested in the exact sequence of events. When FW saw the corpse, had John Ramey already removed the blanket? And had he already tried to get "the knot" untied? If yes, when did he do that? Did FW ever see JR try to untie any knot?

and ... the source for the blankets
http://www.acandyrose.com/01301997warrant.htm

Thanks for the link, UKGuy. I'll go through it tomorrow.
Thanks also for posting the quote about brain swelling.

 

[DeeDee249]

DeeDee249,

OK. So considering the Toilet Rage theory, it follows from your account that JonBenet was placed into the wine-cellar shortly after receiving her head injury, then garroted etc?


Of course they knew thats why she was wiped down, Coroner Meyer suggests so:


That is someone wiped JonBenet down again after she had been redressed in those size-12's, and even if they had not, assuming she was vaginally assaulted either digitally or instrumentally with the paintbrush then this may have caused bleeding which was wiped away with a cloth?



JonBenet was garroted outside the wine-cellar door, she would have been wrapped up in the blankets on the floor there, then placed into the wine-cellar, the blankets would have needed to be unfurled, made flat etc before lying JonBenet on them, then she was wrapped papoose style, if the pink barbie nightgown had arrived accidentally how come it made it into the wine-cellar to deposit itself next to JonBenet, not beneath, or 4-feet away etc? Also if you feel there was no time-gap between her Toilet Rage incident and her being transferred to the wine-cellar how come the rigor was so far advanced, it may have prevented her being redressed in the nightgown? Thinking on this, if JonBenet's arms were above her head, would this not have made placing the nightgown on her easier than if her arms were down at her side, and her longjohns would have just rolled off?



The point being the stager was forensically aware, and did not want to be linked to the basement via any fingerprints on the flashlight. I dont think switching the light on in the wine-cellar could have been seen outside the Ramsey house, doing so for a last minute survey would have been in tune with cleaning the flashlight, after all you have just fabricated a crime-scene.


So this along with her liver mortis suggest she was killed in the basement, and not in the toilet?

I'll TRY to address these issues.
My theory suggests the original head wound and the twisting of the shirt around JBR's neck occurred in her bedroom/bathroom area.
Then she was carried to the basement. (garland on the staircase-garland fibers in her hair) to get her into the farthest regions of the house- away from BR. She was placed on her stomach on the carpet outside the wineceller, and that is where the garotte was placed on her. It is possible that is where the urine release happened- I seem to recall there was urine on that carpet, as well as carpet fibers found on JBR. Then she was placed on her back in the wine celler. She may have been placed right on the blanket, which was then pulled over her torso. Her feet and head were not covered. The nightgown- we'll never know. I base my opinion that it was there by mistake on JR's statment when shown the pictures- that is wasn't supposed to be there. That was a slip-up to me.
JBR was alive when garroted. That is indisputable forensic evidence. She died soon after, she was already IN the basement, so there was little time that elapsed. However, there could have been up to an hour between her head bash and her garotting. So it is possible she was moved downstairs n hour or so after the head bash; if she was unconscious and her breathing was so shallow as not to be noticed, they assumed she WAS dead. You don't feel ice cold right away. So, I don't necessarily feel there was NO time between the rage attack and her being brought to the basement.
Yes, the stagers knew she bled. They removed the original panties. They wiped her down. They did NOT see that a few drops of blood seeped onto the new panties. The coroner's statements say she was wiped down. The statement notes that she was wiped down BEFORE the panties were replaced, as there is no blood on the pubic area that matches the blood spots on the panties.
She was killed in the basement. She was bashed in her bathroom OR bedroom, garotted while alive in the basement, died there.

 

[rashomon]

I'll TRY to address these issues.
My theory suggests the original head wound and the twisting of the shirt around JBR's neck occurred in her bedroom/bathroom area.
Then she was carried to the basement. (garland on the staircase-garland fibers in her hair) to get her into the farthest regions of the house- away from BR. She was placed on her stomach on the carpet outside the wineceller, and that is where the garotte was placed on her. It is possible that is where the urine release happened- I seem to recall there was urine on that carpet, as well as carpet fibers found on JBR. Then she was placed on her back in the wine celler. She may have been placed right on the blanket, which was then pulled over her torso. Her feet and head were not covered. The nightgown- we'll never know. I base my opinion that it was there by mistake on JR's statment when shown the pictures- that is wasn't supposed to be there. That was a slip-up to me.
JBR was alive when garroted. That is indisputable forensic evidence. She died soon after, she was already IN the basement, so there was little time that elapsed. However, there could have been up to an hour between her head bash and her garotting. So it is possible she was moved downstairs n hour or so after the head bash; if she was unconscious and her breathing was so shallow as not to be noticed, they assumed she WAS dead. You don't feel ice cold right away. So, I don't necessarily feel there was NO time between the rage attack and her being brought to the basement.
Yes, the stagers knew she bled. They removed the original panties. They wiped her down. They did NOT see that a few drops of blood seeped onto the new panties. The coroner's statements say she was wiped down. The statement notes that she was wiped down BEFORE the panties were replaced, as there is no blood on the pubic area that matches the blood spots on the panties.
She was killed in the basement. She was bashed in her bathroom OR bedroom, garotted while alive in the basement, died there.

DeeDe, when do you think the genital wound was inflicted? And why was it inflicted in your opinion?

 

[rashomon]

and ... the source for the blankets
Quote:
Det. Michael Everett informed Your Affiant that after the discovery of the girl's body that he walked through the basement area of the house to attempt to determine if any persons were present in the basement. In the area where Det. Arndt had told Det. Everett that the decedent had been found by her father he observed two blankets on the floor in the center of the room.
http://www.acandyrose.com/01301997warrant.htm

From the same link:

John Ramsey told Det. Arndt that he had found JonBenet in the wine cellar in the basement, underneath a blanket, with her wrists tied above her head and a piece of tape covering her mouth. John Ramsey had removed the tape from her mouth before he carried JonBenet upstairs to the first floor. Detective Arndt personally told Your Affiant JonBenet's body was left inside the residence.

Unless Det. Everett, in the dimly lit windowless room down there, mistook the nightgown for being a small blanket (anything is possible!), we have Everett's statement contradicting John Ramsey's, who only spoke of one blanket.

But if there were actually two blankets found in the wine cellar, imo this even more indicates a scenario in which a frantic parent hastily grabbed some stuff out of the dryer to cover JonBenet, and I think the nightgown could have adhered to it by accident.

Were the two blankets from the wine cellar specifically pointed out in the evidence list?

 

[JMO8778]

Remember that Patsy's arm hair was found on one of the blankets,which to me suggests she is the one who put them there,and perhaps that hair would be more likely to be there if JB was indeed wrapped in the blankets,and not just had them thrown on her?

 

[UKGuy]

From the same link:

Unless Det. Everett, in the dimly lit windowless room down there, mistook the nightgown for being a small blanket (anything is possible!), we have Everett's statement contradicting John Ramsey's, who only spoke of one blanket.

But if there were actually two blankets found in the wine cellar, imo this even more indicates a scenario in which a frantic parent hastily grabbed some stuff out of the dryer to cover JonBenet, and I think the nightgown could have adhered to it by accident.

Were the two blankets from the wine cellar specifically pointed out in the evidence list?

rashomon,

Unless Det. Everett, in the dimly lit windowless room down there, mistook the nightgown for being a small blanket (anything is possible!), we have Everett's statement contradicting John Ramsey's, who only spoke of one blanket.

Possibly, but the nightgown was pink with a barbie logo, and the blanket was white, pretty dissimilar?

But if there were actually two blankets found in the wine cellar, imo this even more indicates a scenario in which a frantic parent hastily grabbed some stuff out of the dryer to cover JonBenet, and I think the nightgown could have adhered to it by accident.

Personally I do not buy the frantic, panic stricken parent etc, not when a crime-scene staging was undertaken!

and I think the nightgown could have adhered to it by accident.

But JonBenet appears to have been garroted and wrapped outside the wine-cellar door, how could they miss that when they went to the bother of not missing her blood stains?

Were the two blankets from the wine cellar specifically pointed out in the
evidence list?

I'm not certain, have you seen how many pages the evidence list runs too?

Just checked : http://www.acandyrose.com/s-Flight755-baggagecheck12261996.htm
and only
White blanket in wine cellar (11KKY)
is mentioned.

So it could be as you suggest the nightgown was mistaken for a blanket?

 

[UKGuy]

Remember that Patsy's arm hair was found on one of the blankets,which to me suggests she is the one who put them there,and perhaps that hair would be more likely to be there if JB was indeed wrapped in the blankets,and not just had them thrown on her?

JMO8778,
So in a sense we have Patsy directly linked to the wine-cellar staging and John linked to cleaning her up, and wiping her down, yet I would have expected those roles to have been reversed, assuming the Toilet Rage to be correct?


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[UKGuy]

I'll TRY to address these issues.
My theory suggests the original head wound and the twisting of the shirt around JBR's neck occurred in her bedroom/bathroom area.
Then she was carried to the basement. (garland on the staircase-garland fibers in her hair) to get her into the farthest regions of the house- away from BR. She was placed on her stomach on the carpet outside the wineceller, and that is where the garotte was placed on her. It is possible that is where the urine release happened- I seem to recall there was urine on that carpet, as well as carpet fibers found on JBR. Then she was placed on her back in the wine celler. She may have been placed right on the blanket, which was then pulled over her torso. Her feet and head were not covered. The nightgown- we'll never know. I base my opinion that it was there by mistake on JR's statment when shown the pictures- that is wasn't supposed to be there. That was a slip-up to me.
JBR was alive when garroted. That is indisputable forensic evidence. She died soon after, she was already IN the basement, so there was little time that elapsed. However, there could have been up to an hour between her head bash and her garotting. So it is possible she was moved downstairs n hour or so after the head bash; if she was unconscious and her breathing was so shallow as not to be noticed, they assumed she WAS dead. You don't feel ice cold right away. So, I don't necessarily feel there was NO time between the rage attack and her being brought to the basement.
Yes, the stagers knew she bled. They removed the original panties. They wiped her down. They did NOT see that a few drops of blood seeped onto the new panties. The coroner's statements say she was wiped down. The statement notes that she was wiped down BEFORE the panties were replaced, as there is no blood on the pubic area that matches the blood spots on the panties.
She was killed in the basement. She was bashed in her bathroom OR bedroom, garotted while alive in the basement, died there.

DeeDee249,

Yes, the stagers knew she bled. They removed the original panties. They wiped her down. They did NOT see that a few drops of blood seeped onto the new panties. The coroner's statements say she was wiped down. The statement notes that she was wiped down BEFORE the panties were replaced, as there is no blood on the pubic area that matches the blood spots on the panties.

I totally disagree.

Here is the text verbatim:

Det. Arndt informed Your Affiant that Dr. Meyer stated to her that he observed red stains in the crotch area of the panties that the child was wearing at the time that the child's body was subjected to the external visual examination. Dr. Meyer stated to Det. Arndt that the red stain appeared to be consistent with blood. Det. Arndt further informed Your Affiant that Dr. Meyer stated to her that after examining the panties (as described above), he observed the exterior pubic area of the child's body located next to the areas of the panties containing the red stains and found no visible reddish stains in the area. Dr. Meyer stated to Det. Arndt that his opinion is that the evidence observed is consistent with the child's public area having been wiped by a cloth.

Coroner Meyer is stating that the evidence suggests that JonBenet was wiped down after being redressed in the size-12's, because there were no matching blood-stains on her pubic area.

How the blood arrived on JonBenet's size-12's can be speculated upon, but Coroner Meyer is saying that her pubic area was wiped clean.

This may have occured as part of a staged sexual assault, or as an attempt to remove evidence of a prior sexual assault.

This is why I reckon she was wrapped in the blanket, just in case any blood seeped through to her longjohns, anyway, this is an example of forensic awareness, removing evidence.

Also with the cellulose found inside her and Coroner Meyer's remarks regarding JonBenet having been digitally penetrated, whatever the motive, this according to your theory must have taken place either prior to or shortly before she was garroted?


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[JMO8778]

JMO8778,
So in a sense we have Patsy directly linked to the wine-cellar staging and John linked to cleaning her up, and wiping her down, yet I would have expected those roles to have been reversed, assuming the Toilet Rage to be correct?


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not necessarily.If Patsy is the one who caused the manual strangulation and head injury,then I think what the evidence shows is right in line w. that.
I'm not sure that JR was cleaning her up,how involved were the fibers,do you know? by that I mean,were they just superficially on her,as if someone just leaned over and touched her accidently,or more?
Even so,for whatever reason,I still think Patsy did it in a rage.

 

[JMO8778]

DeeDee249,

I totally disagree.

Here is the text verbatim:

Coroner Meyer is stating that the evidence suggests that JonBenet was wiped down after being redressed in the size-12's, because there were no matching blood-stains on her pubic area.

How the blood arrived on JonBenet's size-12's can be speculated upon, but Coroner Meyer is saying that her pubic area was wiped clean.

This may have occured as part of a staged sexual assault, or as an attempt to remove evidence of a prior sexual assault.

This is why I reckon she was wrapped in the blanket, just in case any blood seeped through to her longjohns, anyway, this is an example of forensic awareness, removing evidence.

Also with the cellulose found inside her and Coroner Meyer's remarks regarding JonBenet having been digitally penetrated, whatever the motive, this according to your theory must have taken place either prior to or shortly before she was garroted?


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the way she was wrapped is in keeping as if a parent did it.
when a mother kills her child,the child is usually found in water or wrapped in plastic (I don't know how many ppl know this,but I remember hearing it in Susan Smith's case)..a sort of subconscious denial,I suppose..sending them back to the 'womb' of sorts..
In this case,neither was appropriate to an intruder scenario,so being wrapped in the blankets as she was is one reason I think it was done,and yes,possibly to hide any further bleeding that might occur.
But yet another reason is I think JR didn't care to risk being arrested on the spot...so that was hidden..and is also a good reason he wanted to get out of town,asap..he knew what would be found shortly !!

 

[DeeDee249]

DeeDee249,

I totally disagree.

Here is the text verbatim:

Coroner Meyer is stating that the evidence suggests that JonBenet was wiped down after being redressed in the size-12's, because there were no matching blood-stains on her pubic area.

How the blood arrived on JonBenet's size-12's can be speculated upon, but Coroner Meyer is saying that her pubic area was wiped clean.

This may have occured as part of a staged sexual assault, or as an attempt to remove evidence of a prior sexual assault.

This is why I reckon she was wrapped in the blanket, just in case any blood seeped through to her longjohns, anyway, this is an example of forensic awareness, removing evidence.

Also with the cellulose found inside her and Coroner Meyer's remarks regarding JonBenet having been digitally penetrated, whatever the motive, this according to your theory must have taken place either prior to or shortly before she was garroted?


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I think you are misunderstanding me about the blood. Let's try it this way:
The coroner found her thighs and pubic area had been WIPED DOWN. Black light tests showed that the substance that had been wiped was BLOOD. Her blood. Therefore, in order for her to have been wiped down, whoever did the wiping had to have SEEN the blood. There was signficant blood, for it to have been on her thighs.
This is NOT the same as the small drops of blood in her REDRESSED panties. In THAT case, the stagers did not know that a small anount of blood had oozed out after she had been redressed.
I can't explain it any better, so I hope this helps.

 

[DeeDee249]

DeeDe, when do you think the genital wound was inflicted? And why was it inflicted in your opinion?

I think the genital wound may have been inflicted not long after the return from the White's. I think it went like this:
They return from the White's around 10pm, JBR falls asleep in the car BUT is awake enough to walk into the house (as BR said). She goes up to her bedroom with her parent(s); is very sleepy so PR leaves her shirt on and pulls off her black velvet pants, shoes, socks. JBR asks for and is given a bedtime snack of pineapple. PR tries to get her to go to the bathroom; she refuses to cooperate.
Before too long, JBR has had an accident. This enrages PR, who is still awake (and still dressed in the outfit she wore that day) and still has lots of stuff to do to get ready for a trip she didn't want to make and has to leave for very early the next morning. Add to that the preparations for the Disney cruise, which they were to leave for from Charlevoix. So Summer and Winter clothes for the whole family were needed, and PR was well-known to be disorganized and messy.
PR drags JBR into her bathroom, where she stands her in the tub and removes her long johns and panties, possibly leaves her shirt on.
NOW- here's something to consider. IF JBR was wearing that red turtleneck to bed (even if she didn't wear it to the White's) she may have gotten it wet with urine OR during the douching. Maybe that's why PR cried when she saw the red shirt in the photos. It brought back those last awful moments of her life.
JBR is cranky and tired and squirms around and does not cooperate during her "cleansing". PR accidentally pushes the douche too hard/too far and JBR screams. During this commotion, PR grabs her by the neck, twisting hard and slams her hard into either the faucet, sink edge or tub edge, causing that fatal injury. JBR immediately loses consciousness, and PR thinks she has killed her.
As she scrambles in a panic of what to do, JR is brought into the scene. JBR, still naked below the waist, is by now bleeding enough for her it to run down her thighs. JR wipes her pubic area and thighs down, wiping away the blood. They do NOT use soap or water. Any blood in the tub is rinsed down the drain. There is a bleachy- odor of chemicals in the bathroom when LE examines it. Possibly bleach or peroxide was poured down the drain. Remember, there was NO blood found ANYWHERE in the crime scene except in or on JBR; a few drops in the redressed panties, inside the vagina, and the wiped pubic area and thighs.
The red shirt is removed because it is wet (blood? maybe) and the large red abrasion is now obvious.
So now the Rs must explain their dead child, who has a skull fracture that does NOT show, and marks on her neck that DO show. They concoct the kidnapping story, and plan to make it seem like the "kidnappers" killed her because they called police.
So they bring her to the basement, unwrap the gifts there until they find the Bloomies Wednesday panties that are exactly like the ones she wore that day except for the size, put her long johns back on, make the garotte and strangle what they think is her dead body, wrap her in her white blanket taken from the basement dryer, write the note, then call police.

 

[DeeDee249]

It wouldn't be fair of me not to say that I have one thing that bothers me in that theory.
It's JBR's bare feet.
Footprints, like fingerprints, cannot be dated, but they can still link suspects and victims to a crime under certain conditions.
There were two footprints, as I recall found in the wineceller. One was the well-known Hi-Tech shoe print. Now, that brand is often worn by workmen, LE, etc. But it is also known (though at first denied by his parents) that BR did have a pair of Hi-Tech sneakers. Many boys of that age (9-10) have feet as large as a grown man's.
The other print was a small bare footprint.
Here are my questions. Did LE ever determine the size of the shoe that left the print (OJ's Bruno Mali shoeprints ring a bell?) to see if it was consistant with the size that BR wore at the time? Did LE examine BR's Hi-Tech at the time to see if they had that certain kind of white mold and dirt from the wineceller?
Did the coroner test the soles of JBR's bare feet for traces of the same white mold and dirt from the wineceller? Was a mold taken of the print or her feet to determine if the tiny bare footprint was made by HER feet? Were her bare feet and hands bagged when she was removed from the house for her solo ride to the morgue? Meyer doesn't mention doing it in his 10 MINUTES he spent with her that night. Bagging is standard procedure, but so much that was also standard procedure was not done, it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't done.
If not, add that to the travesty of justice list for this crime.
It takes it in a whole 'nother direction if JBR was STANDING in that wineceller.

 

[JMO8778]

Excellent,just excellent,Deedee.As was the one you wrote on the other thread.