Lawrence Smith Replies - If you can say that

[JMO8778]

I have also considered that Patsy may have picked up John's shirt and used it when staging the crime scene, then telling him afterward before they called 911, maybe as some kind of blackmail to guarantee he'd help her pull this off ("You have to help me. I used your shirt, and I'll tell them that you were doing such and such and I'll make sure you go down")...but I'm not sure Patsy was that desperate or that ruthless and calculating....or that John wasn't the one who incurred the head wound and then needed Patsy to help him pull it off.
I kinda don't think Patsy would stand by John's side and cover for him like this if he was the one who killed JB, or if she knew he been doing something inappropriate with her. Burke, yes, John, maybe not.

What do you guys think?

I think she would if he was doing something inappropriate,I don't know otherwise,but I think she's the one that inflicted the head wound.Her overall behavior was so incredibly guilty.Someone could have just stamped the word 'guilty' right on her forehead on CNN,and it would have fit.
I'm not sure what to make of his shirt fibers.He could have just leaned over her during the staging,depending on where they were found.I haven't read anything specific on it.
If he was molesting her,it could have happened before JB went to bed,and had nothing to do w. her murder.And then Patsy came in later.My other thought is that Patsy caught him molesting JB,and flew into a rage.

 

[JMO8778]

I've wondered about John as a bystander myself but it doesn't really make sense.

It begins with the question UKGuy loves to ask; why stage an accident to look like a homicide. You don't unless you have one panicked parent. If Patsy runs to John I think JonBenet is rushed to the hospital or an ambulance is called. This is the most important concept in what happened that night and a failure to grasp it causes many people to be IDI's. They don't see how the parents could have done this and the answer is the parents didn't do this. One parent did. That one parent apparently was in extreme panic and did the unbelievable. You can't have this situation if you bring John in immediately. Why would John go along with this crazy idea? What would he gain?

Also there is no such thing as being an innocent bystander when your child is hurt in your home. Step back and look at what you are really saying happened.

* Patsy woke John up and said something happened and JonBenet hit her head and is now unresponsive.

* Patsy then tells John she wants to stage a sexual assault, stage a murder by tying a cord around JonBenets neck, hide the body in the basement and write a ransom note.

* John says it sounds good to him.

There has never been any evidence shown that John is insane or a complete imbecile.

A better explanation is that by the time John became aware it was too late. The deed had been done.

too late could have occurred before 911 was called.as a parent,and as someone who's had a relative missing,John's behavior was extremely off base for the situation.While I don't think he's dangerous,he seems to have a short fuse,and I think he would have confronted Patsy b/f letting her call 911 and invite half the town over,when the note said 'if you talk to so much as a stray dog,she dies...' John was way too cordial and not seemingly upset that JB had been 'kidnapped'.

What would John gain? It's what he would stand to lose...he was a big business man..his rep. was at stake.

 

[JMO8778]

* Patsy woke John up and said something happened and JonBenet hit her head and is now unresponsive.

* Patsy then tells John she wants to stage a sexual assault, stage a murder by tying a cord around JonBenets neck, hide the body in the basement and write a ransom note.

* John says it sounds good to him.

I really don't think it happened that way.I think he heard JB scream.After all,the n-bor heard it.Probably why they wanted to get BR out of the house.
Even so,there would be nothing odd about Patsy inflicting the head wound in a rage,then going to get JR for help,when she realizes JB is seriously injured.

 

[BBB167893]

It begins with the question UKGuy loves to ask; why stage an accident to look like a homicide. You don't unless you have one panicked parent. If Patsy runs to John I think JonBenet is rushed to the hospital or an ambulance is called. This is the most important concept in what happened that night and a failure to grasp it causes many people to be IDI's. They don't see how the parents could have done this and the answer is the parents didn't do this. One parent did.

Just spitballing here (my little term for speculation): You have to remember that Jonbenet wasn't just Patsy's daughter, she was her successor, or would-be. Patsy geared this little girl's whole life toward being spectacular. In Patsy's mind, her death had to be spectacular as well. As Glenn Beck would say, here's how I got there: I read little bits and pieces of an interview Mike Kane did about 5 1/2 years ago where he said that Patsy loved being known as a dead beauty queen's mother, truly the ultimate victim. That's maybe why she never confessed; she was having far too exciting a time of it. And she was a DOUBLE victim! First by this incredibly stupid "intruder" and then by those awful fascist bulldogs on the police force! how much more sympathetic can you get. Now, fold that into Dr. Rusty Morris's belief that she was a MbP sufferer, and it might seem a little bit more clear. Again, just spitballing.

You can't have this situation if you bring John in immediately. Why would John go along with this crazy idea? What would he gain?

JSB again: provided he had nothing to do with it, here's what might happen: Patsy's just killed JB. Okay, John can stand by her or turn her in. Now, he's just lost JB. He's already lost Beth and his mom. And if he turns Patsy in, she'll likely die in prison. If he blames himself for JB's death, and some people would in his place, if he turns patsy in and she dies, he will have killed her too, and taken away his son's mother. So this is what he was facing: a dead child, a tormented dead wife, a son who hates his guts and the specter of sheer social ruin for the rest of his life. Somehow, doing what's right for the girl doesn't seem like a rosy proposition, does it? And to what end? JB was dead. Nothing could help her any more. Patsy could be saved. And why send her to her death, knowing what happens to child killers in prison, for something as useless as revenge? John claims to be a religious man. Perhaps he saw this as his penance to his god. Again, I'm just spitballing.

 

[Littledeer]

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Since I am from the area you are all invited out for a staging event. I will admit just to even drive by still "gets to me" But it would be interesting for you all to come see for yourselves. Stand in the McGuckins drive by the House etc. I guarantee you will never be the same

I love being a brunt of jokes! So just where is McGuckins driveway at?

 

[Littledeer]

I have one BIG QUESTION HERE:

I know, and no doubt all of you know, that this case will never come to a trial where someone will be convicted.

As much as I have been consumed with it, I was able to let go and realize that there will never be justice for JonBonet.

My question? You posters are all so smart and very very very dedicated to JonBonet, but knowing that all the posts for years and years will not end in a conviction for JonBonet's killing........

Why do you keep going on????

 

[Littledeer]

If the above posts are at the wrong thread.............sorry!!!

 

[DeeDee249]

I can't see PR blackmailing her husband. She was desperate but not calculating.
I agree that JR was too calm, too controlled that morning to be believeable as the parent of a kidnapped child. Imagine everything that would be going through YOUR mind if it were your child- was she being tortured, raped, killed. You'd be jumping out of you skin- wanting to search every inch of Boulder. You never hear one word from either parent urging LE to get the FBI on the case, get out there and FIND HER, get moving DO SOMETHING!
JR was cool and collected because he knew exactly where his daughter was, and no one was "doing" anything to her...ever again.
Instead, the DA's office stonewalls all offers of help from other LE or the FBI- while the parents rally a "support" system of friends and "victim's rights" advocates. After all, if you need to be perceived as a victim- you need victim's rights advocates, right?

 

[JMO8778]

I have one BIG QUESTION HERE:

I know, and no doubt all of you know, that this case will never come to a trial where someone will be convicted.

As much as I have been consumed with it, I was able to let go and realize that there will never be justice for JonBonet.

My question? You posters are all so smart and very very very dedicated to JonBonet, but knowing that all the posts for years and years will not end in a conviction for JonBonet's killing........

Why do you keep going on????

I think to most true crime fans,it's an interesting case with a lot of different aspects to it.True crime is never boring,unlike fiction,which can be at times.
My daughter has decided to major in forensics.I couldn't be happier for her.She'll have a long,rewarding career ahead of her,one that is never uninteresting.
I also consider posting to be a great tribute to a little girl who was betrayed by many,including her own parents.

 

[JMO8778]

I can't see PR blackmailing her husband. She was desperate but not calculating.

I don't think so either.I'm only saying she might have covered for JR if he was molesting JB,but not for murder.

Instead, the DA's office stonewalls all offers of help from other LE or the FBI- while the parents rally a "support" system of friends and "victim's rights" advocates. After all, if you need to be perceived as a victim- you need victim's rights advocates, right?

exactly why LA was sent that morning..for Patsy,to be a comfort to her,not to help get JB back....and was the *only one there when JB was 'found'.I think if a big businessman's daughter was truly thought to be KN and threatened with death,a LOT more ppl wold have been on the scene,and would have *stayed there.JR would have then stood no chance of going to the basement alone,and no chance of LE losing track of him.

 

[RiverRat]

I have one BIG QUESTION HERE:

I know, and no doubt all of you know, that this case will never come to a trial where someone will be convicted.

As much as I have been consumed with it, I was able to let go and realize that there will never be justice for JonBonet.

My question? You posters are all so smart and very very very dedicated to JonBonet, but knowing that all the posts for years and years will not end in a conviction for JonBonet's killing........

Why do you keep going on????

To keep the Truth Alive.

 

[Jayelles]

I don't believe a word of this. I don't think this guy is the genuine article and I don't believe he is "out of the country" consulting on the Madeleine McCann case. I think he may have a very vivid imagination.

Some of us checked him out a while ago - the professional body he claimed to be a member of doesn't exist but the name is very similar to a genuine professional body. Also, there IS a Laurence Smith who IS a distinguished professional and expert in his field - but it isn't the same guy.

This Laurence Smith is very shy about his credentials. A real professional wouldn't be. Genuine professionals with genuine credentials are usually happy to provide them and they don't get shirty when asked for them.

There is an older thread about him is anyone is interested. I think SuperDave may have started it.

 

[BBB167893]

To keep the Truth Alive.

Because no cause is lost as long as there's a fool to fight for it.

 

[RiverRat]

Because no cause is lost as long as there's a fool to fight for it.

You PUNISH me like no other......:blowkiss:

 

[BBB167893]

No one escapes punishment, RR.

 

[RiverRat]

Not even Patsy?

 

[Ames]

Not even Patsy?

She is probably rotting in hell right about now....

 

[Rino]

She is probably rotting in hell right about now....

Fitting punishment . Patsy's new reflection ...:furious:

 

[Ames]

Fitting punishment . Patsy's new reflection ...:furious:

:laugh: Patsy's new reflection....that is way too funny!!

 

[Nehemiah]

I don't believe a word of this. I don't think this guy is the genuine article and I don't believe he is "out of the country" consulting on the Madeleine McCann case. I think he may have a very vivid imagination.

Some of us checked him out a while ago - the professional body he claimed to be a member of doesn't exist but the name is very similar to a genuine professional body. Also, there IS a Laurence Smith who IS a distinguished professional and expert in his field - but it isn't the same guy.

This Laurence Smith is very shy about his credentials. A real professional wouldn't be. Genuine professionals with genuine credentials are usually happy to provide them and they don't get shirty when asked for them.

There is an older thread about him is anyone is interested. I think SuperDave may have started it.

Exactly. That is why I doubt he is even a real person. I think someone is behind the facade and maybe it is even the trickster.