Lawyer of baby Lisa's family sets up a website

[MyBelle]

You know, if I had been the reporter going along on this tour of the house and this lawyer was standing there looking around the bedroom, perplexed at why the carpet was still in tact, I think as I watched her coming from the left side of the bed to the dresser, nearly having to step over a laundry basket sitting in the floor, with a line of clothes on hangers streaming over it, covering about five or 6 feet by three to four feet, I would have asked, "Hey! What's under here? "

Maybe the reporter was already knocked speechless from the multiple assaults on our collective intelligence?

JMO

 

[marge_rita]

Its possible people are looking at the months old photos on the available flyer & t shirt, that lists Lisa as 2" 6', and 30 lbs & 10 almost 11 months old and confused? I know people who have a hard time, "baby" image they've been shown, doesn't match with what has been descripted to look for. There is a missing child - " infant" , "baby" pic plastered everywhere is a lot different than the actual 10 almost 11 month old.

Finding Lisa means having the most recent image of her available, imo.

That's bothered me since the infant pictures were released. Look at the picture of Lisa sitting on the couch and standing at the glass door. She is a big 10-11 month old. She looks at least the size of a child 3-4 months older.

Did the parents release infant pictures to purposely cause confusion?

IDK

imoi

 

[marge_rita]

Just seems to me that a reaction to learning that a trained HRD dog hit in my bedroom while my child is missing would be absolute panic at the thought that my child might be dead...and that my "team" would also feel that panic. Instead we hear only reasons why LE didn't do their job correctly...

Simply sad. Complaining about LE makes D and J look guilty in many eyes.

imo

 

[SmoothOperator]

The website having flyers to print off and post is not unusual AT ALL!! many missing children cases and websites have this.. Hailey Dunn as well as Kyron Horman.. FYI.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Hey sarx, you think it's possible that Debbie got the carpet in the bedroom replaced and that the roll of carpet they had in the backyard was the actual bedroom carpet?

Thank you so much for posting that picture! I knew I had seen them carrying out a carpet on the day of the search, so this whole debate about carpets versus floor seems like a moot point.

Anyone who watched them searching that day knows that they went over the house and yard with a fine-toothed comb. A 17-hour search, which we hardly ever see, even in missing child cases!

The family attorney can spin this with semantics like "the dog didn't hit on the carpet in such-and-such room." But the dog must have hit on something! And now they know the police and FBI have tons of evidence taken from that house and grounds - I remember watching one person raking under the bushes and trees.

LE left no stone unturned, so this new website is all about PR and damage control because the family is running scared, I think. :twocents:

 

[Hallow]

Well, since they've sold out in other areas, you'd think they could have bought a good designer/programmer to do this website too :snooty:

/end of snark

 

[Littleone48]

Just seems to me that a reaction to learning that a trained HRD dog hit in my bedroom while my child is missing would be absolute panic at the thought that my child might be dead...and that my "team" would also feel that panic. Instead we hear only reasons why LE didn't do their job correctly...

Maybe the reason they are not feeling "panic" is because they know the last time they saw baby Lisa she was very much alive and they know there is no way that a HRD dog could have hit on Lisa.

 

[sarx]

Maybe the reason they are not feeling "panic" is because they know the last time they saw baby Lisa she was very much alive and they know there is no way that a HRD dog could have hit on Lisa.

Well, that certainly would have been a better spin than the "they didn't take the carpet, therefore..."angle. Oh and of course the poop and baby vomit spin.

 

[Donjeta]

I don't think the public at large would ever believe that ignorant intoxicated people aren't capable of committing crimes. Probably most of the crimes in the country are committed by ignorant intoxicated people. She's saying that would explain why they are not savvy enough to gather resources and wits about them quickly to defend themselves against a growing tide of public doubt.

But they were savvy enough to get a team of attorneys on their case anyway. One is DP qualified, another is NG qualified, there was even a law professor involved, not sure if he still is. Would a couple of ignorant intoxicated bumpkins have managed that so easily?

Thank you. After 16 - 17 hours, I must admit I'm surprised and confused by how little was taken. I'm also surprised they didn't take the carpet or flooring. No bedding from Lisa's room? Nothing taken from the backyard? Nothing from the shed? No bedding from the master bedroom? None of DB's or JI's clothing? No baby products? Were the items taken located in the master bedroom?

Do we have any attorneys here who can explain if this makes any sense? Would LE have another return/receipt that we are not privy to ? Can they go in again? If so, do they need another search warrant?

Do we know what evidence, if anything, was taken when LE first arrived or on the earlier search of the home that happened with the parents' consent? I haven't seen any documents about that. If they took DB and JI's clothing, for instance, it would have made sense to take it straight away when the first responders came and not weeks afterwards when the clothes may have been washed or exchanged to some other items of clothing that look a bit alike.

You know, if I had been the reporter going along on this tour of the house and this lawyer was standing there looking around the bedroom, perplexed at why the carpet was still in tact, I think as I watched her coming from the left side of the bed to the dresser, nearly having to step over a laundry basket sitting in the floor, with a line of clothes on hangers streaming over it, covering about five or 6 feet by three to four feet, I would have asked, "Hey! What's under here? "

Brilliant, thank you.

I tell this story just to illustrate a point. Deborah is poorly educated. Her marriage license shows only 10th grade. If she dropped out in 10th grade, I’m sure she wasn’t performing well and at grade level. So imagine she is in fact an innocent victim of a child abduction. She is thrust into the national spotlight. She is poorly educated with a low self esteem. Could she possibly be projecting an image of what she sees on TV, thinking it is the norm, and trying to fit in? Illogical conclusion? Definitely. But illiteracy and logic don’t usually appear in the same sentence.

http://www.findlisa.com/?p=10

Who wrote this? I'm confused. This is not the attorney's site, is it? Find Baby Lisa dot com is?

I don't think we should blame her for this bit of spin if it's not her site. It doesn't sound like a lawyer speaking to me.

 

[carole]

Thank you. After 16 - 17 hours, I must admit I'm surprised and confused by how little was taken. I'm also surprised they didn't take the carpet or flooring. No bedding from Lisa's room? Nothing taken from the backyard? Nothing from the shed? No bedding from the master bedroom? None of DB's or JI's clothing? No baby products? Were the items taken located in the master bedroom?

Do we have any attorneys here who can explain if this makes any sense? Would LE have another return/receipt that we are not privy to ? Can they go in again? If so, do they need another search warrant?

BBM

There was much, much more evidence taken from the house and yard than shown in the court document. I watched the live feed on the front of the house off and on for several hours.

There were lots of small, medium, and large brown paper bags brought out and put in the evidence vehicles. I saw what looked like couch pillows, small square pillows brought out.

I saw what has been reported by media as hundreds of x-rays taken of the insides of the house, brought out to the ATF vehicle and screened on their x-ray reading machines.

The ends of shovels that were used to dig in the yard were covered with cloth so that the soil clinging could be analyzed. The search lasted approx. 17 hours. It was more than thorough, it was amazing to watch. At any given time there were 15-20 CSIs working.

The several things listed were only a very small part of what was found.

If they can't determine what happened to Baby Lisa from all this evidence, I don't think we'll ever know what happened to her.

 

[Twelve of One]

15-20 CSIs searching the house for 17 hours, wow. Hope they get some good leads and are able to eventually recover Lisa alive and return her safely home.

 

[2goldfish]

Oh, I get it. Lawyer lady is trying to imply that LE created the fictitious cadaver dog hit as an excuse for the invasive search warrant.

Very clever.

total spin. the warrant never specifies carpet, it only says next to or by the bed (I dont have it in front of me) ......


why the need to spin, already? what do they know that they arent telling?

 

[Kat]

Brilliant, thank you.



http://www.findlisa.com/?p=10

Who wrote this? I'm confused. This is not the attorney's site, is it? Find Baby Lisa dot com is?

I don't think we should blame her for this bit of spin if it's not her site. It doesn't sound like a lawyer speaking to me.

The portion that Donjeta snipped from the website she linked did not carry over when I quoted it---it reads as follows:

I tell this story just to illustrate a point. Deborah is poorly educated. Her marriage license shows only 10th grade. If she dropped out in 10th grade, I’m sure she wasn’t performing well and at grade level. So imagine she is in fact an innocent victim of a child abduction. She is thrust into the national spotlight. She is poorly educated with a low self esteem. Could she possibly be projecting an image of what she sees on TV, thinking it is the norm, and trying to fit in? Illogical conclusion? Definitely. But illiteracy and logic don’t usually appear in the same sentence.

What? Dropping out of high school does not equate illiteracy. JMHO.

I snipped this myself:

So today, let’s focus on those directly involved. If you know, or know of someone that is related or has a direct connection to this family, please identify them for me. Give as much detail as you have, specifically names, ages, and locations...

Yikes.

 

[Donjeta]

What year did she drop out of school? Becoming a military wife at 17 might have something to do with it IMO.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

bbm
Unless the dog hit on something that was on the floor at the corner of the bed,on top of the carpet.

I'm sure many of you have heard stories of children and young adults ,who have autism,getting lost,sometimes for days.If they are non-verbal,or unlikely to answer you,it can be terrifying ,calling over and over,with no answer back.

I count on our service dog, who also tracks,to find my child.It can literally be a life and death situation. I have complete trust that he will get it right.My son's life could depend on it .

A LOT of time and effort goes into training working dogs. They are so good at what they do that we count on them to find bombs,or other explosive devices and keep citizens safe. That's life and death.
They are so good they can lead the blind around a busy city ,crossing streets only when it's safe, while ignoring distractions .

They can be trained to alert to oncoming seizures because scent,only a dog could detect ,is present shortly before a seizure begins. This can prevent falls .The seizure alert dogs can alert the caregiver ,getting help .Pretty important job,IMO.

The hearing impaired count on them to alert when a smoke alarm goes off,giving them the time to get to safety.

There's any number of jobs dogs (the ones that make the cut)can be trained to do. There's a lot riding on their ability to get it right. Cadaver dogs aren't a whim or a passing fad .They are a very important tool that LE invests in because it works.
JMO

FWIW...I trust dogs more than I trust (most) people, they have no hidden agendas.

 

[LillieBelle]

wouldn't the best way to find lisa, release the newest photos that represent a 30 lb, 2" 6' 10 month old child ~info listed on flier~? Trying to understand how it helps find lisa, if the cops are having to deal with "tips" based on months old photos & videos?

thank you!!!!!

 

[vlpate]

And the spin works it's magic. They were in that house for 17 hours. From the looks the bedroom it probably took a while to GET the floor. They have ways off testing the carpet without removing it, and maybe there was another layer of carpet that they did take.

Their carpet looked very loose to me, as if it needed to be stretched. They could have looked at the back of the carpet and the pad for stains and found none. The dog could have hit on a pile of clothes, like someone else here said.

Short making a big deal over the carpet was just ridiculous, what did she suppose they were doing in there all that time? Eating donuts and playing nickels? I'll tell you what this does tell me, no one died in that house - at least not in that room or we'd have heard about it by now.

I meant no one who lived there prior to Lisa Irwin. Sorry.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

BBM

There was much, much more evidence taken from the house and yard than shown in the court document. I watched the live feed on the front of the house off and on for several hours.

There were lots of small, medium, and large brown paper bags brought out and put in the evidence vehicles. I saw what looked like couch pillows, small square pillows brought out.

I saw what has been reported by media as hundreds of x-rays taken of the insides of the house, brought out to the ATF vehicle and screened on their x-ray reading machines.

The ends of shovels that were used to dig in the yard were covered with cloth so that the soil clinging could be analyzed. The search lasted approx. 17 hours. It was more than thorough, it was amazing to watch. At any given time there were 15-20 CSIs working.

The several things listed were only a very small part of what was found.

If they can't determine what happened to Baby Lisa from all this evidence, I don't think we'll ever know what happened to her.

Yes, it appears that LE did a very thorough search. In questioning what LE did or did not do, take or did not take into evidence we will not know for the time being. One thing that that is glaringly obvious but I guess DB's lawyers overlooked this point, LE has not released any information that they (LE) found any evidence to support the intruder/kidnapping theory and for citizens to lock their houses down, lock the windows and keep careful watch on their children.

 

[Camille]

Wow, how do these lawyers find the time to be experts in so many things???

Lawyers that take their job seriously very often have to do tons of research in many different areas to help their clients out. My sister is a civil attorney and it never ceases to amaze me the things that she comes across in civil matters and has to be able to talk intelligently about it court. She spent hours ans hours researching Münchausen syndrome for one trial.


It's not at all surprising to me that this attorney would know something about cadaver dogs. Heck anyone that followed the Casey Anthony trial would probably qualify as an expert in cadaver dogs. :floorlaugh:



I'll be honest, after following this web site for the past couple of years, if I had children and one of them turned up missing, right after I dialed 911 I would call an attorney and I would never, ever speak to the police without my attorney present.

 

[LancelotLink]

And the spin works it's magic. They were in that house for 17 hours. From the looks the bedroom it probably took a while to GET the floor. They have ways off testing the carpet without removing it, and maybe there was another layer of carpet that they did take.

Their carpet looked very loose to me, as if it needed to be stretched. They could have looked at the back of the carpet and the pad for stains and found none. The dog could have hit on a pile of clothes, like someone else here said.

Short making a big deal over the carpet was just ridiculous, what did she suppose they were doing in there all that time? Eating donuts and playing nickels? I'll tell you what this does tell me, no one died in that house - at least not in that room or we'd have heard about it by now.

I also noticed the kick plate at the threshold was gone and the door frame looks like it was removed. Who would have carpet that was loose at the threshold to trip over. Makes no sense. Something was removed.