Lawyer of baby Lisa's family sets up a website

[alwaysonmymind]

From Peter Alexander

Photo from bedroom- does that look like a huge stain on the carpet between the end of the bed and the pile of laundry?

http://yfrog.com/o0q4aqj

 

[lauriej]

From Peter Alexander

Photo from bedroom- does that look like a huge stain on the carpet between the end of the bed and the pile of laundry?

http://yfrog.com/o0q4aqj

..it looks like a shadow from the pile of "stuff"------you can also see the shadow of the bed ( on the right side of the bed ) on the floor..

 

[MissJames]

I think she's a fabulous strategist. The public will either now likely believe it didn't happen, or she will effectively "call out" LE for comment.

Or........the public will consider the source.
She's a defense lawyer trying to take the focus off the parents,who have been inconsistent ,at best.
The hit could have been on a pile of clothes on the floor.Maybe clothes someone was wearing when they "disposed" of the body.Maybe a baby blanket .Any number of items could have been on the floor by the corner of the bed.

Defense attorneys always try to discredit whatever it is that points the finger at their client. Scientific tests,eye witnesses,experts,and cadaver dogs,etc.That doesn't make them any them any less valid. JMO

 

[mrye4709]

Well, I don't know what LE knows, so I reserved judgement on them not taking the carpet.

But, the bedding from Lisa's crib wasn't taken UNTIL the SW and I don't think that is excusable. It was speculated that someone made up the crib after the original search (before the first video of her room) and now that bedding is gone (per the video last night or this morning). I don't care who LE think is guilty, they should have taken that first thing and had it tested.

 

[rosiebean]

But, the bedding from Lisa's crib wasn't taken UNTIL the SW and I don't think that is excusable. It was speculated that someone made up the crib after the original search (before the first video of her room) and now that bedding is gone (per the video last night or this morning). I don't care who LE think is guilty, they should have taken that first thing and had it tested.

We don't know if the bedding was taken or not. It's been discussed on here numerous times, that during the 'consent' searched, LE was seen taking bags with what looked like pink bedding outside of the house. It was speculated that the bedding seen in the video was put on AFTER LE too the original (by family/friends) so that the parents wouldn't be upset to see a bare crib.

 

[LancelotLink]

Or........the public will consider the source.
She's a defense lawyer trying to take the focus off the parents,who have been inconsistent ,at best.
The hit could have been on a pile of clothes on the floor.Maybe clothes someone was wearing when they "disposed" of the body.Maybe a baby blanket .Any number of items could have been on the floor by the corner of the bed.

Defense attorneys always try to discredit whatever it is that points the finger at their client. Scientific tests,eye witnesses,experts,and cadaver dogs,etc.That doesn't make them any them any less valid. JMO

Yep. I've got Short's number. That didn't take long.

 

[mrye4709]

We don't know if the bedding was taken or not. It's been discussed on here numerous times, that during the 'consent' searched, LE was seen taking bags with what looked like pink bedding outside of the house. It was speculated that the bedding seen in the video was put on AFTER LE too the original (by family/friends) so that the parents wouldn't be upset to see a bare crib.

In the most recent video the THAT bedding is now gone. I'm assuming it was taken for evidence now. I was saying it should have already been taken. It makes me think that that was Lisa's bedding and it was not taken on the first search, but is now gone. JMO

 

[vlpate]

But, the bedding from Lisa's crib wasn't taken UNTIL the SW and I don't think that is excusable. It was speculated that someone made up the crib after the original search (before the first video of her room) and now that bedding is gone (per the video last night or this morning). I don't care who LE think is guilty, they should have taken that first thing and had it tested.

Come on, these are not the keystone cops - we don't know what they did or did not take. They are not showing their hand, nor should they. The defense would just come right back with media spin dirtying the jury pool.

You've never seen a detective working on a case on the NG show or JVM talking about evidence in his/her active investigation. Thank goodness.

Short's appearance on abc this morning was to cast doubt on LE and reel in more believers - and from reading posts on many of the LI sites tonight, she caught a lot of fish.

I'm glad they've finally set up a website....about time.

 

[CHICANA]

The dog didn't hit on the carpet, it hit on the floor. No indication whatsoever that there was carpet or a rug where the dog hit.

JMO

Isn't the entire room carpeted ?

 

[AngelWings444]

I have confidence in LE and the FBI. I'm hoping they don't disappoint. Wonder how the GJ is doing?

 

[LancelotLink]

I'll bet underneath that laundry basket is bare floor. Any takers? :crazy:

 

[MissJames]

If a cadaver dog hit on dirt they most certainly would dig that area up expecting a body to be buried there. Many times dogs alert and there is no body but that doesn't mean one wasn't there previously and then moved. Then sometimes the dog is just downright wrong. If indeed a dog alerted to the floor I think it would be a good idea to take that carpet.

bbm
Unless the dog hit on something that was on the floor at the corner of the bed,on top of the carpet.

I'm sure many of you have heard stories of children and young adults ,who have autism,getting lost,sometimes for days.If they are non-verbal,or unlikely to answer you,it can be terrifying ,calling over and over,with no answer back.

I count on our service dog, who also tracks,to find my child.It can literally be a life and death situation. I have complete trust that he will get it right.My son's life could depend on it .

A LOT of time and effort goes into training working dogs. They are so good at what they do that we count on them to find bombs,or other explosive devices and keep citizens safe. That's life and death.
They are so good they can lead the blind around a busy city ,crossing streets only when it's safe, while ignoring distractions .

They can be trained to alert to oncoming seizures because scent,only a dog could detect ,is present shortly before a seizure begins. This can prevent falls .The seizure alert dogs can alert the caregiver ,getting help .Pretty important job,IMO.

The hearing impaired count on them to alert when a smoke alarm goes off,giving them the time to get to safety.

There's any number of jobs dogs (the ones that make the cut)can be trained to do. There's a lot riding on their ability to get it right. Cadaver dogs aren't a whim or a passing fad .They are a very important tool that LE invests in because it works.
JMO

 

[MyBelle]

United States v. Gonzalez, 969 F.2d 999,1002 (11th Cir.1996)
Ortega v. Christian. 85 F.3d 1521,1525 (11th Cir. 1996)
Skop. 485 F.3d at 1137
Dahl v. Holley. 312F.3d 1228,1235 (11th Cir. 2002)

None of those cases have to do with LE lies on search warrants. The Ortega case had to do with sentences running concurrently, Ortega and Dahl were both cases about probable cause to make an arrest. You called out another poster as being incorrect, it is always helpful if you provide a link instead of just listing cases that have nothing to do with the subject. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Karmaa
That's not correct. The courts have consistently held that even if LE out and out lies on the SW, it doesn't invalidate it. The officers could be sanctioned if they were caught, but they rarely ever get caught. This is easy enough to say "the dog made a mistake.. too bad."

 

[MissJames]

I'll bet underneath that laundry basket is bare floor. Any takers? :crazy:

Maybe :seeya:

I firmly believe that if a cadaver dog hit on the carpet at the corner of the bed,then the carpet would have been removed.
Even if a second dog did not hit (there is NO evidence of this ) The one hit would be enough to further analyze that carpet .

That leaves me to {logically} conclude that there was something on the floor near the bed and it was taken as possible evidence.

OR it WAS carpet,but exactly where everyone's focus is. Maybe it's under the basket.

 

[MyBelle]

Isn't the entire room carpeted ?

No carpet on the ceiling or walls that I could see.

 

[vlpate]

She's not the only one who has questions about the cadaver dog "hit". There is no excuse at all for LE to have not taken the carpet where the hit was. None. Even if there was a rug over it. Even if the hit was on an object on the floor. They would have taken the carpet, or at least the part of it that was under and around the hit. So, why didn't they take it? Maybe because they knew the cadaver dog hit was a false positive? (Or maybe because the dog never actually hit there?)

And, no - it's not likely that LE took the carpet and replaced it with other carpet. They do not do that on a search. They do not fix their messes.

And the spin works it's magic. They were in that house for 17 hours. From the looks the bedroom it probably took a while to GET the floor. They have ways off testing the carpet without removing it, and maybe there was another layer of carpet that they did take.

Their carpet looked very loose to me, as if it needed to be stretched. They could have looked at the back of the carpet and the pad for stains and found none. The dog could have hit on a pile of clothes, like someone else here said.

Short making a big deal over the carpet was just ridiculous, what did she suppose they were doing in there all that time? Eating donuts and playing nickels? I'll tell you what this does tell me, no one died in that house - at least not in that room or we'd have heard about it by now.

 

[marge_rita]

Someone in another thread suggested that maybe there were two carpets in the bedroom, one on top of the other. That maybe the carpet in the shed used to be in the bedroom.

Great thought. I wondered about a throw rug at the foot of the bed but a carpet on top of another carpet---I betcha you're right.

imo

 

[marge_rita]

If the web site is to find baby Lisa IMO there would be less of who did what wrong and more about LISA.JMO

bbm
You'd think. (It doesn't surprise me though.)

imo

 

[marge_rita]

IF i am not mistaken here, I did see this on another post on this site, but apparently the hit was on a comforter that was on the floor, they took the comforter. i dont believe the hit was on their carpet. There was nothing false about this, this is a clear case of needing to make sure people see their lies so when jury selection comes up, hopefully they will get some like CA did.

frankie,
Your post are always so right on for me. :seeya:


As far as the blankets go, in the SW there was mention of at least one comforter taken.

imo

 

[marge_rita]

Yes, it is telling, imo, that the DT instantly tries to discount the reliability of the dog hit. How does mom know for sure whether someone came in and killed her child while was she was out on the stoop, or passed out on her bed?She does not know, she admits she does not know because she blacked it all out.

:bowdown: