LE Press Conferences

[grayjay]

I was just thinking about how I'd have to apologize for my position if it turns out that the sheriff is the one who's corrupt and self serving.

But as soon as I thought it, I realized why people can no longer afford to apologize to someone like Terri if they're wrong, because they can instantly be liable for such a mistake. Before this, I hadn't really made that connection in my mind.

But no, my proximity to the fence hasn't changed. I just think about the ramifications more.

 

[loves2bmom]

Still firmly believe TH is involved but I will say that the presser has me wondering the extent of her involvement. Maybe more indirect than I thought???

 

[noonie]

Terri failed 2 Poly's, remember. She acted Very strange and I think Dede is IS involved. Let's just wait and see. They both ran and hid! Why???? IDK?

 

[eyes4crime]

"We are going to try this case," Schrunk said.

What else can he say after spending $million? I'm sure the case will be tried, just not sure who will be on the stand.

Not sure I've ruled anyone out of this crime. On the fence or not, I have no evidence that points to a one-and-only suspect. Not yet! Maybe soon. moo hoo

 

[rnmif]

I'm on the fence with a foot dangling on each side. One tends to be higher than the other at times.

I've been off the fence on both sides at different times, but the presser definitely made me question some of what has been presumed recently.

 

[debs]

I'm on the fence with a foot dangling on each side. One tends to be higher than the other at times.

I've been off the fence on both sides at different times, but the presser definitely made me question some of what has been presumed recently.

Ouch...that's gonna leave a mark! Maybe I should stop picturing a picket fence and go for one with a flat and wide top!

 

[Mylou]

I wont worry so much about hurting myself in any fall once the pc's have riddles with answers to them.

 

[Jade2010]

I wont worry so much about hurting myself in any fall once the pc's have riddles with answers to them.

Is it illegal to hypnotise an innocent person just reading a post?

 

[sorrell skye]

Ouch...that's gonna leave a mark! Maybe I should stop picturing a picket fence and go for one with a flat and wide top!

LOL - post & rail works for me - especially one with a view of purty flowers where I can watch the bees buzz around.

 

[CarmelEyesD]

I don't perceive 'sitting on the fence' so much as Terry is *innocent*..more like *reasonable doubt*. JMO

 

[stmarysmead]

I don't perceive 'sitting on the fence' so much as Terry is *innocent*..more like *reasonable doubt*. JMO

That leads me to a general question pertinent to this topic.

I do think there are a few uncommitted fence sitters here...waiting for more detail. There are others of us, who believe Terri's guilt is most likely.

Yet I think for many, "The Fence" has "Terri is innocent...Terri is a victim" painted on it.

Okay.

But here's my observation about changing positions on the Fence.

I wonder if any others feel this way...or can dispel this feeling.

I've been thinking lately that the nature of Internet discussion boards (everywhere and on all topics) is that people stake out a position, join with others of a like mind,develop "team spirit" and rarely ever yield that position no matter what happens...forever after.

No matter if I'm reading about politics, crime, pop culture...before long I know the "teams." I know who each poster will support in an argument no matter what. And I mean...no matter what.

I have seen (in my admittedly limited experience) that sides become so entrenched that even when little doubt remains, the Team Spirit of the losing side just shifts to arguing a "bad call." No evidence the "Other Side" comes up with will ever be accepted. The teams line up in every thread...along predictable lines.

The longer the case goes on without definitive evidence the more set in concrete the sides become...looking for guilt or innocence in minutiae and supporting beyond reason.

By the time the case comes to trial, people are very invested in the position they supported for months.

Human nature, I suppose. (including myself LOL!)

Have any of you more experienced posters here...actually seen large shifts in positions and "teams" as cases are developed? Do people move from "team to team?"

That is something I am curious about. After arguing a certain way for months, do some people really "change teams?"

 

[bessie]

That leads me to a general question pertinent to this topic.

I do think there are a few uncommitted fence sitters here...waiting for more detail. There are others of us, who believe Terri's guilt is most likely.

Yet I think for many, "The Fence" has "Terri is innocent...Terri is a victim" painted on it.

Okay.

But here's my observation about changing positions on the Fence.

I wonder if any others feel this way...or can dispel this feeling.

I've been thinking lately that the nature of Internet discussion boards (everywhere and on all topics) is that people stake out a position, join with others of a like mind,develop "team spirit" and rarely ever yield that position no matter what happens...forever after.

No matter if I'm reading about politics, crime, pop culture...before long I know the "teams." I know who each poster will support in an argument no matter what. And I mean...no matter what.

I have seen (in my admittedly limited experience) that sides become so entrenched that even when little doubt remains, the Team Spirit of the losing side just shifts to arguing a "bad call." No evidence the "Other Side" comes up with will ever be accepted. The teams line up in every thread...along predictable lines.

The longer the case goes on without definitive evidence the more set in concrete the sides become...looking for guilt or innocence in minutiae and supporting beyond reason.

By the time the case comes to trial, people are very invested in the position they supported for months.

Human nature, I suppose. (including myself LOL!)

Have any of you more experienced posters here...actually seen large shifts in positions and "teams" as cases are developed? Do people move from "team to team?"

That is something I am curious about. After arguing a certain way for months, do some people really "change teams?"

I have a real disdain for the behavior you describe, especially on a board where most of us claim to be mystery lovers sleuthing out the truth. Yet so often, the truth takes a backseat to single minded conjecture.

Some members paint themselves so tightly into a corner right from the outset that before long their whole effort becomes defending their position. You can paste the facts right up on their foreheads and they won't acknowledge it. The most vocal of this group draw allies from the folks who are less confident in their opinions and seek the safety of numbers. I've seen some of them shift when a bigger and louder opponent comes along.

I've never been much of a team player myself, and I don't mean to imply that most of the members here are not very bright, independent thinkers. Personally, I shift regularly in my positions depending on which angle I'm contemplating at the moment.

Frankly, I'm not sure I've been around here long enough to answer your question accurately. The cases I've followed have either been solved quickly or have dragged on for months and remain unsolved, like the Haleigh Cummings case, and now little Kyron. There were few who supported Casey Anthony, but there was a strong group who believed Caylee was alive. Come to think of it, I don't remember hearing much from them after her body was found.

As for my fence position, I'm still here...:smiliescale:The message I got from the presser, however, is that LE has advanced to a 9.5.

 

[Donjeta]

I suppose it's very human to side with people who have agreed with you in the past but it could easily become destructive if it becomes a game of Us. vs Them instead of people of various opinions trying to find various reasonable interpretations for facts in the chaos of other facts. I don't want to see any of you good people banned here

I don't have a fence as much as I've got fluctuating opinions. The presser did get me to consider some options that I hadn't taken too seriously before.

 

[BeanE]

I can't tell you all how many times I've tried to get off this fence. I hate it so much lol. I've never found myself feeling this way, thinking this way, on any case before. It's very uncomfortable.

First, I don't think of the fence as guilty or innocent, I think because Terri hasn't been charged or even named a POI. If she were even named a POI, I would think of the fence as guilty or innocent. I think. Who knows? lol.

So meanwhile, I think of the fence as involved or not in Kyron's disappearance. And whereas I've dangled my feet down each side of the fence, and switched back and forth I don't know how many times, and touched my big toe to the ground on each side a number of times, here's my problem:

I can't say "Terri Horman is involved in Kyron's disappearance.", and I can't say "Terri Horman is not involved in Kyron's disappearance."

Neither of those statements "feel" right to me. And believe me, I've tried them on for size a multitude of times. Every day.

But I can say neither until it feels right - to me. And neither does right now.

I don't like this fence. I'm not a fence sitter. I'm not afraid to say what I think, so long as it feels right to me. I know that if I get more info or ideas or whatever, I can always change my mind. I'm not afraid to do that.

I want desperately to get off this fence. I've tried to. Hard. But I just can't.

Here's the rub for me:

- Terri is involved. Statistically, she is most likely to be the one and only involved, and statistically she most likely murdered Kyron. I know this.

- Terri is not involved. There's not one single piece of evidence, not one single indication, LE hasn't named her a POI which would tell me that even if nothing is known by the public, they have something. And I would trust that.

Let me explain what I mean by evidence or indication. In every other case I can think of, I can tell you exactly what led me to believe a person was guilty. Things that to me, while they may not stand up in a court of law, indicated strongly enough that the person was guilty that I had no problem saying "This person is involved."

Some examples:

Caylee - smell of decomp in Casey's trunk. Casey didn't report to police that Caylee was missing. Casey lied obviously and repeatedly in LE interviews. LE immediately arrested her.

Gabriel - the only person at the hotel in a city in another state was Elizabeth, and she didn't say "Omg my baby was kidnapped." - she said "I killed him.", and then "I gave him to strangers in a park." LE immediately arrested her.

Venus - Venus was obviously (to me) abducted from the mailbox. Nobody else was mad at her. She was living in a remote place. She had a currently active restraining order against Doug. She had made up a will. She had expressed more than once she was sure he was going to kill her. LE immediately named Doug the one and only POI.

Easy peasy. Yes, in each case, I explored other possibilities. Could Caylee have had an accident? Could Elizabeth have given Gabriel up for adoption? Could a random stranger a la Joseph Duncan have taken Venus?

But ruling in and ruling out was so easy in each of those cases. Didn't take long at all. After ruling out everything that wasn't solid, I very quickly still had things that were strong indications to me that I was perfectly comfortable with.

But Terri. Ah Terri. Why does this have to be so difficult? The rule in/rule out process I use leaves me with nothing. Nothing, nada, zilch. Nothing to tell me she's involved, and nothing to tell me she's not involved.

I've entertained the idea of "living" off the fence - a week on each side - and see if I feel comfortable enough on one side or the other to stay on a side longer. But that would entail stating either "Terri is involved." or "Terri is not involved." and I can't bring myself to do either.

So... the presser. It made me dangle both feet on the side of "Terri is not involved". Even to rub a big toe on the ground of that side. Because I have the sick feeling in my stomach that LE has no idea what happened to Kyron. I fear that. *I* want to *know* what happened to Kyron. The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

But I just can't bring myself to jump off one way or the other.

All I can say is, "I don't know if Terri is involved in Kyron's disappearance." That feels right. I can live with it. For now.

 

[grayjay]

I don't "know" if TH is guilty of anything. I just suspect it like so many others. But I do think that the POI status thing has been walked back so far that the fact that she has not been named is very closely approaching meaningless.

 

[mysticrose]

I think after finally getting to hear the presser I was moved further into the postion that TH handed Kyron off to someone, perhaps Dede and ( Dede ?) took Kyron to someone else ..... moo

 

[Deleted member 718]

I'm not a team player, never really like competitive sports. I'm more of a long bike ride all by myself enthusiast.

I'm not a fence sitter either as it seems way too early to have already chosen a side.

I'm still sitting over yonder, playing Frisbee with my pup, watching with interest for a few facts to finally surface. Patiently waiting for as long as it takes.

 

[PaulaF513]

I have a real disdain for the behavior you describe, especially on a board where most of us claim to be mystery lovers sleuthing out the truth. Yet so often, the truth takes a backseat to single minded conjecture.

Some members paint themselves so tightly into a corner right from the outset that before long their whole effort becomes defending their position. You can paste the facts right up on their foreheads and they won't acknowledge it. The most vocal of this group draw allies from the folks who are less confident in their opinions and seek the safety of numbers. I've seen some of them shift when a bigger and louder opponent comes along.

I've never been much of a team player myself, and I don't mean to imply that most of the members here are not very bright, independent thinkers. Personally, I shift regularly in my positions depending on which angle I'm contemplating at the moment.

Frankly, I'm not sure I've been around here long enough to answer your question accurately. The cases I've followed have either been solved quickly or have dragged on for months and remain unsolved, like the Haleigh Cummings case, and now little Kyron. There were few who supported Casey Anthony, but there was a strong group who believed Caylee was alive. Come to think of it, I don't remember hearing much from them after her body was found.
As for my fence position, I'm still here...:smiliescale:The message I got from the presser, however, is that LE has advanced to a 9.5.

I admit it...that was me for the longest while. I was convinced that KC had handed off Caylee for adoption, to spite her mother. I figured she was waiting for a specific time frame to expire before telling CA.

I never thought of myself as a KC supporter because she was one of the most unlikable creatures I had ever seen. I had her pegged as a narcissist from the getgo, but I didn't realize at first that she was a malignant one.

Once Caylee was found, it was obvious to me that KC was the guilty party. I believe she killed her daughter by suffocation with duct tape, in the trunk of her car. I think Caylee was probably dying while KC and TL shopped in BB.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

This is my first thread (took me four days to find the "new thread" button) and I didn't see a similar one. I'm just wondering if last week's presser changed anyone's mind, got anyone off the fence, or put anyone back on it, and why.

I would try to do a poll but it took me this long to figure out how to do the thread. I'd have to wait another week to figure that out, lol!

No, I've been off the fence for a while. I have more doubts now about what exactly happened to Kyron, but I believe whatever it was, TH was responsible for it.

 

[sorrell skye]

I don't perceive 'sitting on the fence' so much as Terry is *innocent*..more like *reasonable doubt*. JMO

Ditto.

From where I sit, I don't have enough information to convince me to come to any definite conclusion about guilt or innocence of the *de facto* suspect.

I also think there's a chance an unknown predator could be involved.

But I'm inclined to believe there is a lot more to this than meets the eye.

Mostly, I just feel sad & sick that a beautiful little boy is missing, and my heart goes out to his loved ones.