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  • #661
Still firmly believe TH is involved but I will say that the presser has me wondering the extent of her involvement. Maybe more indirect than I thought???

Then there is that, too.

I've only followed 2 other cases, Aveion and Ethan. In both, the murderers more or less confessed.

So when I see Terri compared to Scott Peterson, Casey, and others, it means absolutely nothing to me.
 
  • #662
I don't perceive 'sitting on the fence' so much as Terry is *innocent*..more like *reasonable doubt*. JMO

I agree. I haven't heard one single thing from LE or the parents that shouts to me that TH did something to Kyron. Heck, we don't even know yet what the "something" was, although I sadly, believe he is long dead.

Having never even heard her speak, I cannot project guilt or innocence on TH, until actual evidence comes to light. To be honest, I fail to see what makes some people so absolutely convinced of her guilt. From what we have actually learned to be true in this case, the fence is the only reasonable place to be, if choosing a side is based on real evidence and not gut instincts.
 
  • #663
I re -analyze and reconsider with every piece of potentally " new " information.

IMO, the interesting thing about this last presser was that Q and A Sheriff Staton had with the reporter at the end. It was an odd exchange IMO. I'm wondering if it was a 'plant " question. I'm also wondering if it was intended for a very specific audience. Maybe to gauge reactions.MOO

What has stood out for me about Kyron's case is that some sleuthers with a whole lot of experience seem to find this case unusual... It's as though they sense that there's a whole lot more here than in most missing person cases. And Sheriff Staton amplified that for me : " You are going to be surprised "....

All JMO
 
  • #664
The parents themselves state they believe their son is alive, and I go with that. The theories that state he is dead, though statistically wise, aren't something I can delve into. I go with he's alive and will until I have to be proven wrong.

LE has stated Terri is cooperating, even though the parents say she's not. Their only evidence to that is that she does not tell LE where Kyron is. While I support their right to believe she's holding back, it does not conclude that they are accurate in their assessment that she knows more than she's telling. In fact, it went so far as for them to start dumping out Terri's past transgressions, regardless of Desiree, in her Medford presser, asserting she did not want to be remembered in the press as someone digging up stuff from the past. But they both did, and did so in the face of LE stating that what they were saying did NOT come from them.

The parents talk about a close relationship with LE, then within their interviews, state that what they "know" is from parent instinct and not from anything LE has told them. Tony gives us insight into what they're being told, when in that same Medford presser, he says that LE just keeps them informed that the case is going in a certain direction but of course they don't give them specific details because that would compromise the case. So parent intuition is not evidentiary. One should not be convicted upon that alone. Does that mean LE shouldn't be looking in Terri's direction? Absolutely not! LE's only damning public statement regarding Terri is that she has some issues with her timeline. Kaine said in a presser "30 minutes".....it was odd, and I'm looking again for it. But now he's narrowed it down to 30 minutes from Desiree's 3 hours. I think it was in that controlled presser where they met with reporters individually, answering only selected questions.

There are people who state Kyron was seen at nearly 9, without Terri. A child says Kyron told him he was going to see a cool electric project. People assume Terri coerced Kyron out the door, but there's nothing to back that up. His parents say he's shy and wouldn't go with a stranger. But that doesn't mean that in a school with his friends and the parents of those friends in the school, plus all the extra chaperones available that day, that Kyron wouldn't respond to a friend's parent, or even an authority figure. WANTING it to be Terri and having proof it was Terri are two different things.

I WANT whoever disappeared Kyron to be found. I WANT Kyron to be found. But I DON'T WANT to ruin someone's life because she's been quiet after being accused of a horrendous crime with no proof that she did it. Not only that, but she's been diagnosed as a psychopath or a sociopath, depending on the day. She has no contact with her child based on a "he jumped first and made claims that she would have to answer in court along with questions about where Kyron is, based on the 'parental instinct' that she did something to him in the first place with no evidence to support it" accusation by Kaine.

I don't know the legal pickle Terri finds herself now with baby K's custody. All I know is that the hell she is going through IF SHE IS INNOCENT is in addition to Kyron being missing. IF she's guilty, then screw her, like most think. But there is nothing which conclusively says she is, and it isn't just a small gap between she did it or didn't. It's HUGE. Give me something, anything. Then I won't feel so badly seeing people discuss stringing her in trees, taking her into a room and getting the information out of her, etc etc. But nothing so far has pushed me to believe she's anything more than another parent who is mourning the loss of the boy she loves, and now her daughter is taken from her, too.

There's no fence for me. I'm still pulling weeds waaaaaaaaaaaaay over here. But I see the fence and maybe I have to go tickle the feet I see now and again. But no one has shown me a reason to get on it, or even choose a side to dangle my feet on. I don't have a guilty/not guilty switch. I'm waiting for some proof to even figure I should get on the fence.

I'm not asking for my post to be picked apart. I am answering the question. I know all the arguments against my position, and don't need it reiterated as though I'm slow and can't figure things out for myself. I'm aware of the reasons others choose to look at this differently than me. This is my place in the field, and I am entitled to it.
 
  • #665
The "fence" to me, just means that I have not been convinced that Terri is responsible.
 
  • #666
This is my first thread (took me four days to find the "new thread" button) and I didn't see a similar one. I'm just wondering if last week's presser changed anyone's mind, got anyone off the fence, or put anyone back on it, and why.

I would try to do a poll but it took me this long to figure out how to do the thread. I'd have to wait another week to figure that out, lol!

I'm a fence sitter... all indications from police pressers indicate they are interested in Terri and what she was doing that day. However, the fact that they have not named her as a suspect or POI keeps me on the fence. If they had enough evidence (even circumstantial) to arrest her, she'd be in jail, period. Until they show the goods or arrest her, I maintain my precarious position atop the fence.

Still :praying: for Kyron's safe return to those who love him so much!!
 
  • #667
The parents themselves state they believe their son is alive, and I go with that. The theories that state he is dead, though statistically wise, aren't something I can delve into. I go with he's alive and will until I have to be proven wrong.

LE has stated Terri is cooperating, even though the parents say she's not. Their only evidence to that is that she does not tell LE where Kyron is. While I support their right to believe she's holding back, it does not conclude that they are accurate in their assessment that she knows more than she's telling. In fact, it went so far as for them to start dumping out Terri's past transgressions, regardless of Desiree, in her Medford presser, asserting she did not want to be remembered in the press as someone digging up stuff from the past. But they both did, and did so in the face of LE stating that what they were saying did NOT come from them.

The parents talk about a close relationship with LE, then within their interviews, state that what they "know" is from parent instinct and not from anything LE has told them. Tony gives us insight into what they're being told, when in that same Medford presser, he says that LE just keeps them informed that the case is going in a certain direction but of course they don't give them specific details because that would compromise the case. So parent intuition is not evidentiary. One should not be convicted upon that alone. Does that mean LE shouldn't be looking in Terri's direction? Absolutely not! LE's only damning public statement regarding Terri is that she has some issues with her timeline. Kaine said in a presser "30 minutes".....it was odd, and I'm looking again for it. But now he's narrowed it down to 30 minutes from Desiree's 3 hours. I think it was in that controlled presser where they met with reporters individually, answering only selected questions.

There are people who state Kyron was seen at nearly 9, without Terri. A child says Kyron told him he was going to see a cool electric project. People assume Terri coerced Kyron out the door, but there's nothing to back that up. His parents say he's shy and wouldn't go with a stranger. But that doesn't mean that in a school with his friends and the parents of those friends in the school, plus all the extra chaperones available that day, that Kyron wouldn't respond to a friend's parent, or even an authority figure. WANTING it to be Terri and having proof it was Terri are two different things.

I WANT whoever disappeared Kyron to be found. I WANT Kyron to be found. But I DON'T WANT to ruin someone's life because she's been quiet after being accused of a horrendous crime with no proof that she did it. Not only that, but she's been diagnosed as a psychopath or a sociopath, depending on the day. She has no contact with her child based on a "he jumped first and made claims that she would have to answer in court along with questions about where Kyron is, based on the 'parental instinct' that she did something to him in the first place with no evidence to support it" accusation by Kaine.

I don't know the legal pickle Terri finds herself now with baby K's custody. All I know is that the hell she is going through IF SHE IS INNOCENT is in addition to Kyron being missing. IF she's guilty, then screw her, like most think. But there is nothing which conclusively says she is, and it isn't just a small gap between she did it or didn't. It's HUGE. Give me something, anything. Then I won't feel so badly seeing people discuss stringing her in trees, taking her into a room and getting the information out of her, etc etc. But nothing so far has pushed me to believe she's anything more than another parent who is mourning the loss of the boy she loves, and now her daughter is taken from her, too.

There's no fence for me. I'm still pulling weeds waaaaaaaaaaaaay over here. But I see the fence and maybe I have to go tickle the feet I see now and again. But no one has shown me a reason to get on it, or even choose a side to dangle my feet on. I don't have a guilty/not guilty switch. I'm waiting for some proof to even figure I should get on the fence.

I'm not asking for my post to be picked apart. I am answering the question. I know all the arguments against my position, and don't need it reiterated as though I'm slow and can't figure things out for myself. I'm aware of the reasons others choose to look at this differently than me. This is my place in the field, and I am entitled to it.


You answered the question for me, too. Couldn't state it better.
 
  • #668
I just want to say how much I enjoy reading ALL the different opinions here. I like to think I'm an independent thinker, but of course sometimes I think the same as others here, sometimes not at all. I think if you enjoy being on a team that feels one way that is A-OK. If you get what I mean. :)
 
  • #669
When I read stmarysmead's post (below), I immediately thought about a post from STEADFAST that had lingered in my mind, particularly the BBM portions.


snip...I've been thinking lately that the nature of Internet discussion boards (everywhere and on all topics) is that people stake out a position, join with others of a like mind,develop "team spirit" and rarely ever yield that position no matter what happens...forever after.

No matter if I'm reading about politics, crime, pop culture...before long I know the "teams." I know who each poster will support in an argument no matter what. And I mean...no matter what.

I have seen (in my admittedly limited experience) that sides become so entrenched that even when little doubt remains, the Team Spirit of the losing side just shifts to arguing a "bad call." No evidence the "Other Side" comes up with will ever be accepted. The teams line up in every thread...along predictable lines....snip
BBM

And from STEADFAST on another thread:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5602791&postcount=28"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Final Warning[/ame]

Most of us are here for the long haul, and down the road you will find that posters who you previously thought were insufferable and unable to understand a simple point when you disagreed with them will magically seem like wonderful geniuses and your favorite posters when you and they agree on a case. There are lots (too, too many!) cases on here, and the group of posters with differing viewpoints shifts all the time.

IMO our posters don't line up in every single thread. And the "insufferable and unable" quote was spot on. In this case- these two posts- this is evident. I believe that STEADFAST and stmarysmead are in agreement on the Kyron case, yet each of them, a longtime many posts poster, and a newer poster with relatively few posts, are in disagreement about the 'team' theory.

I've been here a few years, and I am occasionally shocked, well, surprised to see that poster (insert name here) is on a different 'side' than I am. And on some forums, I am pleasantly surprised to see that same poster on 'my' side.
Wait awhile and the wonderful geniuses may become insufferable, and vice versa!
 
  • #670
Get back on topic please. Has your position changed?
 
  • #671
The parents themselves state they believe their son is alive, and I go with that. The theories that state he is dead, though statistically wise, aren't something I can delve into. I go with he's alive and will until I have to be proven wrong.

LE has stated Terri is cooperating, even though the parents say she's not. Their only evidence to that is that she does not tell LE where Kyron is. While I support their right to believe she's holding back, it does not conclude that they are accurate in their assessment that she knows more than she's telling. In fact, it went so far as for them to start dumping out Terri's past transgressions, regardless of Desiree, in her Medford presser, asserting she did not want to be remembered in the press as someone digging up stuff from the past. But they both did, and did so in the face of LE stating that what they were saying did NOT come from them.

The parents talk about a close relationship with LE, then within their interviews, state that what they "know" is from parent instinct and not from anything LE has told them. Tony gives us insight into what they're being told, when in that same Medford presser, he says that LE just keeps them informed that the case is going in a certain direction but of course they don't give them specific details because that would compromise the case. So parent intuition is not evidentiary. One should not be convicted upon that alone. Does that mean LE shouldn't be looking in Terri's direction? Absolutely not! LE's only damning public statement regarding Terri is that she has some issues with her timeline. Kaine said in a presser "30 minutes".....it was odd, and I'm looking again for it. But now he's narrowed it down to 30 minutes from Desiree's 3 hours. I think it was in that controlled presser where they met with reporters individually, answering only selected questions.

There are people who state Kyron was seen at nearly 9, without Terri. A child says Kyron told him he was going to see a cool electric project. People assume Terri coerced Kyron out the door, but there's nothing to back that up. His parents say he's shy and wouldn't go with a stranger. But that doesn't mean that in a school with his friends and the parents of those friends in the school, plus all the extra chaperones available that day, that Kyron wouldn't respond to a friend's parent, or even an authority figure. WANTING it to be Terri and having proof it was Terri are two different things.

I WANT whoever disappeared Kyron to be found. I WANT Kyron to be found. But I DON'T WANT to ruin someone's life because she's been quiet after being accused of a horrendous crime with no proof that she did it. Not only that, but she's been diagnosed as a psychopath or a sociopath, depending on the day. She has no contact with her child based on a "he jumped first and made claims that she would have to answer in court along with questions about where Kyron is, based on the 'parental instinct' that she did something to him in the first place with no evidence to support it" accusation by Kaine.

I don't know the legal pickle Terri finds herself now with baby K's custody. All I know is that the hell she is going through IF SHE IS INNOCENT is in addition to Kyron being missing. IF she's guilty, then screw her, like most think. But there is nothing which conclusively says she is, and it isn't just a small gap between she did it or didn't. It's HUGE. Give me something, anything. Then I won't feel so badly seeing people discuss stringing her in trees, taking her into a room and getting the information out of her, etc etc. But nothing so far has pushed me to believe she's anything more than another parent who is mourning the loss of the boy she loves, and now her daughter is taken from her, too.

There's no fence for me. I'm still pulling weeds waaaaaaaaaaaaay over here. But I see the fence and maybe I have to go tickle the feet I see now and again. But no one has shown me a reason to get on it, or even choose a side to dangle my feet on. I don't have a guilty/not guilty switch. I'm waiting for some proof to even figure I should get on the fence.

I'm not asking for my post to be picked apart. I am answering the question. I know all the arguments against my position, and don't need it reiterated as though I'm slow and can't figure things out for myself. I'm aware of the reasons others choose to look at this differently than me. This is my place in the field, and I am entitled to it.

Debs,

Great post! Very well said.
 
  • #672
No, I'm still on the fence and I can't say she is innocent but can't say guilty either. LE has released scant information from which we can judge, I just pray that LE is withholding a lot of the information to protect the integrity of the investigation and not because they have allowed themselves to become a one trick pony.

Bring Kyron Home...
 
  • #673
I have never been on the fence..IMHO... Doesn't matter to me IF they never get the evidence needed to charge her or convict her...IMHO. She is the one responsible for whatever it is that has happened to Kyron...JMHO
 
  • #674
No, I'm still on the fence and I can't say she is innocent but can't say guilty either. LE has released scant information from which we can judge, I just pray that LE is withholding a lot of the information to protect the integrity of the investigation and not because they have allowed themselves to become a one trick pony.

Bring Kyron Home...

Well said! And welcome!

As I've read this thread, and others about where we are on the fence, I've wondered about the possibility of two threads. One asking those who are convinced TH is guilty what would change their minds; the others asking those who are not convinced either way (like me), or who think TH is innocent, what would change their minds.

Of course, I'm not sure that threads like that are allowable, but boy, do I think about it. I've learned a lot about my "wait for the evidence" position by asking myself questions like that.
 
  • #675
Well said! And welcome!

As I've read this thread, and others about where we are on the fence, I've wondered about the possibility of two threads. One asking those who are convinced TH is guilty what would change their minds; the others asking those who are not convinced either way (like me), or who think TH is innocent, what would change their minds.

Of course, I'm not sure that threads like that are allowable, but boy, do I think about it. I've learned a lot about my "wait for the evidence" position by asking myself questions like that.

They are allowable, but we already have threads with the same theme going. :)
 
  • #676
Still on the fence.
 
  • #677
Well said! And welcome!

As I've read this thread, and others about where we are on the fence, I've wondered about the possibility of two threads. One asking those who are convinced TH is guilty what would change their minds; the others asking those who are not convinced either way (like me), or who think TH is innocent, what would change their minds.

Of course, I'm not sure that threads like that are allowable, but boy, do I think about it. I've learned a lot about my "wait for the evidence" position by asking myself questions like that.

Wonderful idea! I think that would be really interesting.

I'd say what would flip me up on the fence but not sure whether this is the right thread.
 
  • #678
FIRMLY on the fence until I see some hard EVIDENCE against her.

In the beginning I thought TH was guilty, but after listening to "other" players, including LE, watching manipulation, and reading an enlightening article about the DA, I'm all over this fence like a morning glory.

My opinion only
 
  • #679
I'm not sure whether TH is innocent or guilty. There are certain things that cannot be explained away at this point in time about her actions after her stepson's being missing.
I don't even know if the MFH plot is validated yet by LE or the failed LDT's. So at the moment i am discounting those two things, until we know definitely what that is all about. All i can tell is that Kaine thought it was sufficient enough for him to take their daughter to get the heck away from Terri, now maybe that was just a precautionary measure for now, for whatever good reason, i don't know.
Her strange behaviour with sexting has me puzzled though? I don't know why on earth she would do that. Even if she was po'd at Kaine for his actions, i don't think that after such a shock of him moving out etc., that she would immediately try to get into another relationship, and also knowing possibly by this stage that she was being looked at by LE in the fact of Kyron being missing? Not only by LE but other people as well.
Apart from that there are many other speculations, but if there is fact there i'm just not sure. So, at this point, i feel she does have some guilt about Kyron, but i'm just not sure how much.
 
  • #680
This is my first thread (took me four days to find the "new thread" button) and I didn't see a similar one. I'm just wondering if last week's presser changed anyone's mind, got anyone off the fence, or put anyone back on it, and why.

I would try to do a poll but it took me this long to figure out how to do the thread. I'd have to wait another week to figure that out, lol!

Well you definately picked a good thread to be your first.. unlike mine..lol :angel:

This presser confused me to no end... and still does... In fact I'm more confused than ever.. lol..
It did make me do a whole lot more sleuthing though.. and alot of reading in different forums.. ((shiver)) amazing what I've found... yikes...
But it still comes back to the same thing...

Terri is "involved" in this one way or the other... I have no doubt about that..:snooty:
 
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