LE Serves Warrant on Family Home #6

[carole]

Absolutely! The Elizabeth Smart case comes to mind. You never know,unless you shut down the questioning to the children.

Elizabeth Smart's sister remembered 6 months after the kidnapping and told her parents. She did talk to LE but the memory came later.

 

[KathrynL]

Exactly. CSI were there for 17 hours. Media reported that they had to turn off their cameras (live cams were there, we we all watching) - requested by LE because they were bringing in dogs and they did not want cameras to show/record these searchs.

Thank you-I wasn't sure if that also happened when they searched the house. Is my memory of them doing that when they searched the woods right, or did I have a senior blonde moment?

 

[dovebar]

The burden of proof is going to be on LE to prove that the dogs weren't tired, and that the handlers didn't suggest a finding to them.

But perhaps lab tests of the carpet will be more definitive. If I were on a jury, though, I'd find it hard to accept even if Lisa's DNA. The floor next to the bed is a typical place for kid's diapers to be changed throughout their entire infancy - I've done it and so have all my friends.

I find LE's perpetual manipulation of the media - the dogs got a hit! - very disturbing. They have worked hard to try this mother in the media from day one. A confident police force, confident in their investigation and evidence, would not need to contaminate the jury pool by skewing public opinion so hard prior to presenting their case.

 

[carole]

The burden of proof is going to be on LE to prove that the dogs weren't tired, and that the handlers didn't suggest a finding to them.

But perhaps lab tests of the carpet will be more definitive. If I were on a jury, though, I'd find it hard to accept even if Lisa's DNA. The floor next to the bed is a typical place for kid's diapers to be changed throughout their entire infancy - I've done it and so have all my friends.

These dogs do not alert to feces and urine.

 

[jjenny]

The burden of proof is going to be on LE to prove that the dogs weren't tired, and that the handlers didn't suggest a finding to them.

But perhaps lab tests of the carpet will be more definitive. If I were on a jury, though, I'd find it hard to accept even if Lisa's DNA. The floor next to the bed is a typical place for kid's diapers to be changed throughout their entire infancy - I've done it and so have all my friends.

I find LE's perpetual manipulation of the media - the dogs got a hit! - very disturbing. They have worked hard to try this mother in the media from day one. A confident police force, confident in their investigation and evidence, would not need to contaminate the jury pool by skewing public opinion so hard prior to presenting their case.

And it's wrong again. LE didn't release the dog hit to the media. It came from a search warrant which are public information in MO.

 

[Turnadot]

The burden of proof is going to be on LE to prove that the dogs weren't tired, and that the handlers didn't suggest a finding to them.

But perhaps lab tests of the carpet will be more definitive. If I were on a jury, though, I'd find it hard to accept even if Lisa's DNA. The floor next to the bed is a typical place for kid's diapers to be changed throughout their entire infancy - I've done it and so have all my friends.

A dog trained specifically to suss out human decomp would not hit on kid's diapers though, because a living human's excretions have a different chemical make-up, IIRC.

IMO

 

[carole]

Thank you-I wasn't sure if that also happened when they search the house. Is my memory of them doing that when they searched the woods right, or did I have a senior blonde moment?

Yes, the search of the woods by dogs on Tues. was the same. No fly zone.

 

[dovebar]

And it's wrong again. LE didn't release the dog hit to the media. It came from a search warrant which are public information in MO.

Which they know will become public. Their history in this case speaks volumes. Reporters who have covered cops know this tactic well.

 

[Slynderella]

"But perhaps lab tests of the carpet will be more definitive. If I were on a jury, though, I'd find it hard to accept even if Lisa's DNA. The floor next to the bed is a typical place for kid's diapers to be changed throughout their entire infancy - I've done it and so have all my friends.

I find LE's perpetual manipulation of the media - the dogs got a hit! - very disturbing. They have worked hard to try this mother in the media from day one. A confident police force, confident in their investigation and evidence, would not need to contaminate the jury pool by skewing public opinion so hard prior to presenting their case."

WOW

Dogs do not hit on live victims - They ONLY hit on decomp.... I think you should start from the beginning - I can not even comprehend your posting with all the facts sorry

 

[jjenny]

Which they know will become public. Their history in this case speaks volumes. Reporters who have covered cops know this tactic well.

And? How are they supposed to obtain a search warrant if they don't put information in there?

 

[dovebar]

A dog trained specifically to suss out human decomp would not hit on kid's diapers though, because a living human's excretions have a different chemical make-up, IIRC.

IMO

Yes, this is the claim, but if you even talk to reputable dog handlers, ALL DOGS FALSE HIT from time to time.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Which they know will become public. Their history in this case speaks volumes. Reporters who have covered cops know this tactic well.

The DA's office filed a "Motion to Seal" the search warrant. A Judge decided against that and released it.

LE didn't want that info out here.

 

[Turnadot]

Which they know will become public. Their history in this case speaks volumes. Reporters who have covered cops know this tactic well.

So what?

LE have to get the warrant, it's not their fault the MO law allows that kind of things to be public information; Le didn't write the law, they have a job to do and that involves warrants.

Besides, the DA tried to seal the warrant, a judge said it was a no go.

IMO

 

[carole]

Yes, this is the claim, but if you even talk to reputable dog handlers, ALL DOGS FALSE HIT from time to time.

What reputable dog handlers are you talking about??

 

[Slynderella]

Originally Posted by dovebar
Yes, this is the claim, but if you even talk to reputable dog handlers, ALL DOGS FALSE HIT from time to time.

What reputable dog handlers are you talking about??


Not these that Hit here who have a proven track record and came straight from the FBI... <modsnip>

 

[carole]

Which they know will become public. Their history in this case speaks volumes. Reporters who have covered cops know this tactic well.

Once again I will post that the filing with the court Friday, was State' Motion to Seal Court Records so that the evidence found on Wednesday will be not be released until trial.

 

[norest4thewicked]

All of us are on edge with this case, but let's all just agree to disagree. There is no need to attack one another. Let's just keep on praying that Lisa comes home alive and well.

 

[MyBelle]

The burden of proof is going to be on LE to prove that the dogs weren't tired, and that the handlers didn't suggest a finding to them.

But perhaps lab tests of the carpet will be more definitive. If I were on a jury, though, I'd find it hard to accept even if Lisa's DNA. The floor next to the bed is a typical place for kid's diapers to be changed throughout their entire infancy - I've done it and so have all my friends.

I find LE's perpetual manipulation of the media - the dogs got a hit! - very disturbing. They have worked hard to try this mother in the media from day one. A confident police force, confident in their investigation and evidence, would not need to contaminate the jury pool by skewing public opinion so hard prior to presenting their case.

I've never changed kid's diaper on a floor if I had a bed right there. Nor did I drop dirty diapers on the floor until whenever. Not that it matters because cadaver dogs don't hit on dirty diapers.

LE didn't tell the media that the dog got a hit, they told a Judge. LE didn't tell the media that the mother failed a poly or that she got drunk on the front stoop while three kids were inside. The mother can thank herself for those tidbits.

I do agree the police seem confident.

JMO

 

[cluciano63]

I find it kind of strange that it could be easier to disbelieve and write off LE and trained specialist dogs findings, than people who have at the very least changed their story as to when the child was last seen and one parent was drunk.

 

[dovebar]

I've never changed kid's diaper on a floor if I had a bed right there. Nor did I drop dirty diapers on the floor until whenever. Not that it matters because cadaver dogs don't hit on dirty diapers.

LE didn't tell the media that the dog got a hit, they told a Judge. LE didn't tell the media that the mother failed a poly or that she got drunk on the front stoop while three kids were inside. The mother can thank herself for those tidbits.

I do agree the police seem confident.

JMO

My god, what kind of mother would put a child on a bed where they might roll off!!!!!! (irony alert)