LE Serves Warrant on Family Home #6

[carole]

There is always a link for everything. LE might be lying to DB because that is sometimes what they do to get confessions. But, you can bet that they didn't lie to the judge. The judge gets to see all what they have...we don't.

BBM

I agree with you. A search warrant is a legal document. LE filed a document with the court that human decomposition was found in the search on last Monday. Doesn't get more real than this.

 

[norest4thewicked]

BBM

I agree with you. A search warrant is a legal document. LE filed a document with the court that human decomposition was found in the search on last Monday. Doesn't get more real than this.

True! But like I said in another thread, there are going to always be those who wouldn't believe the mom did it if they found the baby buried in the back yard. They would just say that the kidnapper did it or, worse yet, LE did it to "frame" DB....:banghead:

 

[MyBelle]

Yes, but MK Smart being questioned didn't help much when law enforcement didn't listen to her, now did it?
Even when Ed Smart offered her up and said she remembered, LE disregarded and refused to released the sketch.

So what if these kids were to go in and say "I remember, it was the cable guy!" And LE just ignores them?

What if these parents are going in and hearing "I know you killed her where is she!" And the parents are trying to say "There is this lady, in the store that ALWAYS comments on Lisa and she has been unable to adopt or have kids..." And LE is responding with, "We know you killed her, where is she!"

If LE isn't willing to listen to the parents and isn't going to believe the kids unless they implicate the parents... then I don't see the good in anyone talking to THIS group of LE either.

LE definitely DOES seem very confident that the parents did it in this case. Or something happened in the house.
I remember frequently how VERY confident SLC LE were that Richard WAS the one who had taken and murdered Elizabeth... with not a shred of evidence.

I am always a skeptic now... until there is actual proof. Especially when a baby's life might be on the line.

Did a cadaver dog hit on Elizabeth's bedroom? Did her parents admit to being wasted outside while the children were inside?

JMO

 

[lauriej]

BBM

I agree with you. A search warrant is a legal document. LE filed a document with the court that human decomposition was found in the search on last Monday. Doesn't get more real than this.

..not exactly human decomp.

The affidavit also revealed that "On October 17, 2011, an FBI cadaver dog was brought into the residence upon consent of (Jeremy) Irwin and Bradley. The cadaver dog indicated a positive 'hit' for the scent of a deceased human in an area of the floor of Bradley's bedroom near the bed."

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1bU3DSqGG

 

[norest4thewicked]

I think Carole was paraphrasing. Human decomposition is the same thing as the scent of a deceased human.

 

[carole]

..not exactly human decomp.

The affidavit also revealed that "On October 17, 2011, an FBI cadaver dog was brought into the residence upon consent of (Jeremy) Irwin and Bradley. The cadaver dog indicated a positive 'hit' for the scent of a deceased human in an area of the floor of Bradley's bedroom near the bed."

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1bU3DSqGG

I wasn't quoting the search warrant. The scent of a deceased human is called human decomposition.

 

[redfish]

I am seriously trying not to discount but consider the fall angle. I don't think a short fall from a bed onto carpet would usually be call for alarm. However I can think of a few freak accidents that COULD happen from that kind of fall. If the child had something in its hand that could puncture, many horrible scenarios come to mind. In those cases thought you might find lots of blood. A larger item lying on the floor or a bedside table might interrupt a fall and create a snap of the neck maybe... I don't know but some of our resident ER nurses here have seen some freaky things come through their doors I am sure.

 

[RuthieInTheSky]

The only time that I show up here is when someone shows up where I'm at. Someone did...so here I am.

And being as how I am hardly ever here, I have decided to post all of my questions together and shoot them out to you:

1.) Is it possible that mom gave Lisa (deceased) to some guy on the street that she knew was maybe homeless like "Jersey." And she paid him to take Lisa away somewhere and dump her? Hence the guy in the t-shirt story?

2.) Could mom have taken Lisa out of her crib, while drunk, intending to take Lisa (who was bawahhing because she had the cold) into bed with her but then lost her equilibrium (sp?) and dropped Lisa? Maybe causing an injury? Then maybe took Lisa, anyway, into bed and with her but then Lisa rolled off the bed and onto the floor and died?

3.) What about the chance that mom rolled over on Lisa and accidentally smothered her?

4.) Could mom have given Lisa some wine or something to try to quiet her down, because she was crying because of the cold and it ticked mom off?

5.) I have been all over the Internet this past week. And the one thing that keeps being asked, again and again is:
WHAT is up with the dad? It's like he's terrified or in a stupor or something. Okay, maybe he's a good guy...but really now, why do you think that he is he acting like he is?

6.) Do you think that this will turn out to be another case of "shaken baby syndrome"? Like maybe mom was drunk and tired and Lisa was crying because she had the cold and mom couldn't take it anymore and snapped? Then she grabbed Lisa out of the crib and shook her really hard and then put her on the floor (mom was drunk) by the bed and then mom just passed out on the bed? Could she then have woken up later, realized Lisa was dead and then panicked? Could the guy with the t-shirt be a hoax and really mom took her down (and maybe witnesses saw her and not a guy, like they thought they saw) to a dumpster and tried to burn her body?

7.) Can DNA, say from the carpet, also determine the age of the person that it came from?

Please don't send me hate mail. I am simply asking questions. My heart is in this very deeply. Just watch my video and you will know that. Thanks for letting me post here again, I'll come by again, sometime.~~Ruthie.*

 

[cluciano63]

I think that if Lisa was on the floor in Mom's bedroom, it is possible that someone was trying to give her CPR. Anyone who knows anything about the MJ case has learned that this should be done on the floor. JMO

 

[norest4thewicked]

The only time that I show up here is when someone shows up where I'm at. Someone did...so here I am.

And being as how I am hardly ever here, I have decided to post all of my questions together and shoot them out to you:

1.) Is it possible that mom gave Lisa (deceased) to some guy on the street that she knew was maybe homeless like "Jersey." And she paid him to take Lisa away somewhere and dump her? Hence the guy in the t-shirt story?

2.) Could mom have taken Lisa out of her crib, while drunk, intending to take Lisa (who was bawahhing because she had the cold) into bed with her but then lost her equilibrium (sp?) and dropped Lisa? Maybe causing an injury? Then maybe took Lisa, anyway, into bed and with her but then Lisa rolled off the bed and onto the floor and died?

3.) What about the chance that mom rolled over on Lisa and accidentally smothered her?

4.) Could mom have given Lisa some wine or something to try to quiet her down, because she was crying because of the cold and it ticked mom off?

5.) I have been all over the Internet this past week. And the one thing that keeps being asked, again and again is:
WHAT is up with the dad? It's like he's terrified or in a stupor or something. Okay, maybe he's a good guy...but really now, why do you think that he is he acting like he is?

6.) Do you think that this will turn out to be another case of "shaken baby syndrome"? Like maybe mom was drunk and tired and Lisa was crying because she had the cold and mom couldn't take it anymore and snapped? Then she grabbed Lisa out of the crib and shook her really hard and then put her on the floor (mom was drunk) by the bed and then mom just passed out on the bed? Could she then have woken up later, realized Lisa was dead and then panicked? Could the guy with the t-shirt be a hoax and really mom took her down (and maybe witnesses saw her and not a guy, like they thought they saw) to a dumpster and tried to burn her body?

7.) Can DNA, say from the carpet, also determine the age of the person that it came from?

Please don't send me hate mail. I am simply asking questions. My heart is in this very deeply. Just watch my video and you will know that. Thanks for letting me post here again, I'll come by again, sometime.~~Ruthie.*

Welcome to Websleuths, Ruthie!

I think that anything you asked above is possible. At this point, almost anything in the world is possible.

I too have been very concerned about how dad is acting. I watched from day one and at first he seemed very distant and cold to DB. He didn't hug her or comfort her and always looked down. It seemed like he was mad at her. I have no idea if this is because he knows that she did something or because that's just his demeanor. Since none of us know how he acts in real life, it's really just speculation.

I don't know the answer to the DNA part. I believe that DNA can match a person or not match. However, I am pretty sure that LE took a sample of the area that the dog hit on to compare to Lisa's DNA.

Again, welcome here and post often. We may disagree with others here, but I believe that all of our hearts are in the right place.

 

[Whisperer]

I am beginning to think Lisa drowned in the Bath. DB may have removed her from the tub and laid her on the floor while she was thinking what to do.

 

[Whisperer]

:welcome:

Glad you are here RuthieInTheSky.

 

[Whisperer]

If the father doesn't soon start questioning DB's behavior and make a split from her then it may be said that he is part of the coverup. Under the best of circumstances, couples have a difficult time staying together when a tragedy like this happens. Jeremy should be casting suspicion at the very least.

 

[indepmo]

I typed in the word "accident" when searching the Irwin threads. 58 results came back. I wonder if there wasn't ever a Casey Anthony trial, if that number would be significantly lower, maybe in the single digits.

I feared when that trial took place this was going to be the next "plea" and "excuse" for situations like this.

Bottom line... You report accidents to law enforcement. You hold yourself accountable for your actions...

 

[alien]

Welcome to Websleuths, Ruthie!

I think that anything you asked above is possible. At this point, almost anything in the world is possible.

I too have been very concerned about how dad is acting. I watched from day one and at first he seemed very distant and cold to DB. He didn't hug her or comfort her and always looked down. It seemed like he was mad at her. I have no idea if this is because he knows that she did something or because that's just his demeanor. Since none of us know how he acts in real life, it's really just speculation.

I don't know the answer to the DNA part. I believe that DNA can match a person or not match. However, I am pretty sure that LE took a sample of the area that the dog hit on to compare to Lisa's DNA.

Again, welcome here and post often. We may disagree with others here, but I believe that all of our hearts are in the right place.

DNA does not change with age. Except identical twins/triplets/..., each person carries a uniqe DNA.

 

[norest4thewicked]

And, I would guess that there aren't very many people out there whose child died from an accident in the home and they spin it all up to be a kidnapping.

 

[norest4thewicked]

DNA does not change with age. Except identical twins/triplets/..., each person carries a uniqe DNA.

I don't believe I said it changed with age. Did I? Anything is possible tonight...I'm seriously over tired.

 

[redfish]

I am just not comfortable with any of my thoughts about Dad. I agree that there seems to be something "off" in his behavior toward Mom and his reactions to his daughter missing. But I hesitate to judge him, for the same reasons, norest.... I just can't get a feel about his "normal" behaviour. I wonder if he is normally introverted....

 

[Whisperer]

I've been on message boards long enough to know that people want to think the best. It always starts off with many thinking "accident"....then we find out what really happened...and it never seems to be an accident.

 

[indepmo]

And, I would guess that there aren't very many people out there whose child died from an accident in the home and they spin it all up to be a kidnapping.

Even if a child dies by accident (not just this case), I think if they go through the trouble to cover something up, they should be help accountable as if they committed a crime.