LE Serves Warrant on Family Home #6

[Seaturtle]

I'm not sure where to put this and would appreciate some guidance. As I have been reading posts about the different "man with baby sightings" and different accident theories, I have had to do some research to remind myself what a "typical" 10 to 11 month old looks and acts like (my youngest is 11 and oldest is 21 so personal memory doesn't work too well). Some of this information plays a role in my opinion about the various scenarios we are discussing. Every time we talk about Lisa as a "baby" my mental image is that of someone far smaller and younger than she really is when you look at recent photos and think about typical milestones for someone her age. It would be nice to have some of that documented so we can bring it into our discussions. Suggestions?

 

[mysteriew]

BBM
Excellent post ITA! It's MOO that LE would prefer nothing be released to the public + they've done a bang up job in that aspect. They requested this information be sealed. They've said nada to the media. It's not them I see trying to skew public opinion. It's obvious to me another camp is all over that aspect. I agree they're trying to find Lisa + preserve the integrity of all evidence while doing so, in a grand effort that justice may be served for an innocent baby when all is said + done.

To all those in LE who've worked endlessly + will continue to do so for Lisa. :martini: :toastred: :martini:

I agree. The only thing LE has said that reflected negatively against the parents is that they aren't cooperating. They have held several extensive searches, in several areas. And used a variety of equipment in the searches. And used a variety of personnel, the local LE, the FBI and NG. They have followed up on tips. They have tried to reenact the version of what the parents say happened. I really can't fault LE so far in what they have been doing. As a matter of fact, they have been doing more than many LE I have seen in other areas.

The parents however has released that DB failed a lie detector test, that she was drinking (maybe quite a bit), she released the timeline that everyone is questioning and has also changed the timeline. Parents also have stated that they are still cooperating with LE, but then admitted they haven't been going in for interviews with LE. IMO the parents are their own worst enemies. But that shouldn't reflect badly on LE.

 

[andalso]

I'm not sure where to put this and would appreciate some guidance. As I have been reading posts about the different "man with baby sightings" and different accident theories, I have had to do some research to remind myself what a "typical" 10 to 11 month old looks and acts like (my youngest is 11 and oldest is 21 so personal memory doesn't work too well). Some of this information plays a role in my opinion about the various scenarios we are discussing. Every time we talk about Lisa as a "baby" my mental image is that of someone far smaller and younger than she really is when you look at recent photos and think about typical milestones for someone her age. It would be nice to have some of that documented so we can bring it into our discussions. Suggestions?

BBM: I am not sure what the "that" you are referring to is?

 

[Seaturtle]

The only way a baby selling theory works for me in this particular case is if Lisa were not sold, but rather "rented" to someone for a bad purpose, which resulted in her being injured and dying at the house.

I hate to say it but those are the kinds of theories that have to come into play for me as possible motives for covering something up with a kidnapping. For it to be worth the risk and putting yourself through this, it would have to be really bad. Not "I'm irresponsible and negligent" bad but either "I or someone I love is criminally liable" bad. Just MOO.

 

[Codger]

So...didn't LE say the sighting of man with baby by the neighbor couple was unfounded or not related to baby Lisa? If so, why is it still being questioned so intensely? Seems the defense team is working overtime, maybe, to keep these "sightings" relevent? (not be anyone here on WS.....I think the defense team feeds little nuggets to the media for consumption and ratings)

When this flurry of posting began yesterday, early on, I "think" in this thread (or #5 etc) there was a link posted more than once where officials stated they had not discounted these sightings, they were still interested in following up further (paraphrasing). The woman of the couple who reported the 12am sighting said LE has spoken with her 4 times. As of yesterday IIRC + IMO they had not discounted these. HTH

 

[Seaturtle]

BBM: I am not sure what the "that" you are referring to is?

Can we start a collection somewhere of information about Lisa (using photos and descriptions) and include links to verifiable resources about typical development milestones and statistics (such as accident statistics)? If we had such a resource available here, it would provide us with some common ground for discussing and analyzing various theories.

 

[Cuoco7]

I sent a tweet to Jeanine Pirro to ask her about JI background and how he was able to afford a house so young. Maybe she will dig into that.

It shows the home sold for only $80,000 in 2001. I think it's completely plausible if he started work at a young age and showed a steady income. If the house were 300 k and he was only 18, I'd wonder too. But 80k seems very attainable. You would need just about 12k for downpayment and closing costs. A very reasonable monthly payment.

 

[LadyPirate]

Lisa was either kidnapped from that house, or she was killed and taken from that house and the body was disposed of. It wasn't an accident. I'm not buying that theory at all. Who hides a body when an accident occurs?

She drowned in the bathtub? Wouldn't you call 911?

A sibling dropped her and she was unconscious. There's that 911 thing again.

You dropped her. 911

ANY accident that occurs with a child, you call 911. You don't cover it up.

If somebody came into your home and raped your child, God forbid, YOU WOULD CALL 911, NOT hide the child! UNLESS, you did the deed yourself, or allowed somebody else to do it. In that case, you are as guilty as they are and should be put away somewhere yourself.

Lisa didn't walk out that door herself. IF her mother was drunk as she states, and I'm beginning to doubt that highly, then she was negligent, and the non-custodial parents of the other children should be able to use this as a step to regaining custody of their children. If DB is incapable of caring for children in the proper manner, they should be taken from her.

If she is trying to cover up something in order to keep the other children, she failed miserably. If either of those boys were mine, I would have a lawyer and would sue for custody immediately.

If you need to get your buzz on, then you need to be sure there is another adult in that house that is capable of looking after your minor children. You don't leave them without proper care so you can party.

 

[Abby Normal]

I know a lot of people who bought between 18-20. 10 years ago they were giving away home loans. Some states had "first time home owners" programs, in our state I think you were eligible for a good interest rate, some help with down payment, and so forth if you lived in the home at least 2 years. If not, you had some penalties to pay back. He could have asked seller to pay closing if he made a full price offer, someone in his family may have added their signature to the loan... there are so many ways it can happen that young.

 

[andalso]

Lisa was either kidnapped from that house, or she was killed and taken from that house and the body was disposed of. It wasn't an accident. I'm not buying that theory at all. Who hides a body when an accident occurs?

She drowned in the bathtub? Wouldn't you call 911?

A sibling dropped her and she was unconscious. There's that 911 thing again.

You dropped her. 911

ANY accident that occurs with a child, you call 911. You don't cover it up.

If somebody came into your home and raped your child, God forbid, YOU WOULD CALL 911, NOT hide the child! UNLESS, you did the deed yourself, or allowed somebody else to do it. In that case, you are as guilty as they are and should be put away somewhere yourself.

Lisa didn't walk out that door herself. IF her mother was drunk as she states, and I'm beginning to doubt that highly, then she was negligent, and the non-custodial parents of the other children should be able to use this as a step to regaining custody of their children. If DB is incapable of caring for children in the proper manner, they should be taken from her.

If she is trying to cover up something in order to keep the other children, she failed miserably. If either of those boys were mine, I would have a lawyer and would sue for custody immediately.

If you need to get your buzz on, then you need to be sure there is another adult in that house that is capable of looking after your minor children. You don't leave them without proper care so you can party.

BBM: Not if it wasn't an accident that she drowned. My theory IS (currently) that baby Lisa drowned....but I am not sure if it was an accident/neglect or first degree murder.

 

[linajoy]

Sorry if this has been covered, but there are a couple of things in the search warrant I'm not understanding. It says DB stated that "she didn't want to go in the backyard, for fear of what she may find" and there was "freshly turned over soil" in the backyard.

Do LE think she is buried in the backyard?

Why would DB say that?

 

[not_my_kids]

Just out of curiosity, why does it matter how old Jeremy was when he bought his house? Is there any connection Lisa here, or are we just getting bored?

 

[not_my_kids]

Sorry if this has been covered, but there are a couple of things in the search warrant I'm not understanding. It says DB stated that "she didn't want to go in the backyard, for fear of what she may find" and there was "freshly turned over soil" in the backyard.

Do LE think she is buried in the backyard?

Why would DB say that?

I think she said that she didn't look around the house, because of fear of what she might find.

And then the seperate portion about the tilled area of ground out back.

 

[Donjeta]

I don't think the history of the ownership has anything to do with Lisa's disappearance but I guess I am mildly curious if he had financial assistance from family and if the source of said assistance, if any, has something to do with the mysterious benefactor paying for the lawyer and the PI. But I don't suppose it's sleuthable.

I would like to know what DB meant calling the house "Omen house". Is it just because of Lisa or is there something else about the house that bothers her?

 

[not_my_kids]

I don't think the history of the ownership has anything to do with Lisa's disappearance but I guess I am mildly curious if he had financial assistance from family and if the source of said assistance, if any, has something to do with the mysterious benefactor paying for the lawyer and the PI. But I don't suppose it's sleuthable.

I would like to know what DB meant calling the house "Omen house". Is it just because of Lisa or is there something else about the house that bothers her?

I agree about the Omen thing, it's just weird, IMO. I know that I shouldn't read too much into someone's choice of words, but that one is just really out there.

Crazy idea, could DB have hated the house so much that she would have used Lisa as a means to an end to convince Jeremy to move? No one is that hateful, right? Don't answer that.

 

[natsound]

Why do you think the cell phones missing is so damning? Do you think DB was trying to hide calls or texts that were made? Cell phone records can be obtained so I don't know why she would think getting rid of the cell phones would cover her tracks.

IMO, DB thought staging the cell phone theft was a good idea.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

(wrong thread)

 

[curiositycat]

I don't think the history of the ownership has anything to do with Lisa's disappearance but I guess I am mildly curious if he had financial assistance from family and if the source of said assistance, if any, has something to do with the mysterious benefactor paying for the lawyer and the PI. But I don't suppose it's sleuthable.

I would like to know what DB meant calling the house "Omen house". Is it just because of Lisa or is there something else about the house that bothers her?

I did some research on the Omen, because the last time I watched a movie like that was the Exorcist, and I told myself that those kind of movies were not for me.

Supposedly the Omen is about a man whose son is possessed of the devil.

I find that comment strange too. In one way or another, by saying that, she is implying that either the house or someone in it is "possessed."
MOO

 

[mmmagique]

I don't think the history of the ownership has anything to do with Lisa's disappearance but I guess I am mildly curious if he had financial assistance from family and if the source of said assistance, if any, has something to do with the mysterious benefactor paying for the lawyer and the PI. But I don't suppose it's sleuthable.

I would like to know what DB meant calling the house "Omen house". Is it just because of Lisa or is there something else about the house that bothers her?

I missed that one! Where did she say that?

 

[ladonna]

I'd like to know the history of the home prior to Jeremy buying it. Sounds like the KC atty. is going to say a prior death could have occured there. I'm citing her comment that the house is 63 yrs. old. I bet her law clerks are researching it now.