LE wants to interview the parents separately

[lauriej]

Young said he is "not disputing" family attorney Joe Tacopina's claims that the family has cooperated and answered other questions, such as specific questions regarding tips and leads. But that is not sufficient, he said.

The above is part of the statement made by Young that goes against what he has claimed to the media before now. In one statement we have Young claiming that the parents have stopped co-operating with LE and are no longer answering questions. Then in the above statement we have Young stating the opposite. Was the statement reversed because of the parents now having a lawyer that is telling the media the truth about the parents still answering questions? At this point, who knows. But it does make LE seem untrustworthy and willing to feed the parents to the wolves (media) to get whatever outcome they suspect this information (misinformation in this case) will bring about.

MOO

..young was saying before today, that the parents were being helpful---but not fully cooperating by coming back in to talk to detectives.


http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/20/3220223/baby-lisas-lawyers-say-police.html
Lawyers for Lisa Irwin's parents say police are trying to extract confession


-----October 21/2011.
--snipped--

Police spokesman Young responded that the last time the couple consented to an “unrestricted” interview was Oct. 8.

“What we need from them, and what we are not getting, is for them to sit down with our detectives and get answers to the questions we need answered,” Young said.

The couple also receives five or six calls a day from investigators, said Short, who estimated that Bradley and Irwin each have spent about 40 hours answering police questions since Lisa disappeared.

Young acknowledged that the parents have been helpful.

“They’ve done other things, but when I say we’re not getting full cooperation, I’m saying we’re not getting what we need,” Young said.

“We’re talking about sitting down with our detectives separately … to learn the things that only the adults, only the parents of this child, might know,” Young said.

 

[sarx]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was not 17 hours straight.

 

[Cappuccino]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was not 17 hours straight.

No, it was 11 hours straight. The house search took 17 hours, I think some people are mixing the two up.

 

[marge_rita]

At this time in the investigation (20 plus days) I wouldn't believe a dang word that came out of their mouths. Separated or together. I don't know what happened in that house that night but I would be willing to bet that deborah and or jeremy do. I do not believe that LE is trying to "pin" this on them, LE can only go on what you tell them. I do not always agree with LE on all of their tactics, but they have reasons why they are not looking too far from the house for baby Lisa. jmo

italics by me

Elley Mae-More wise words, ty.

 

[Sherbie]

They already did, for 17+ hours.

Could there really be questions of that nature - who was there in the house that day, etc., that they haven't already answered? In separate rooms, for hours and hours?

I'm sure LE has all sorts of questions that have arisen since the couple discontinued their interviews. Theories that might have developed since then, evidence (or lack thereof), things parents have said in interviews that sparked a new line of thinking or that they need clarified. There's a huge list of potentially very relevant information they could provide. Regardless how many hours they've previously spent with LE, it's been a while and there's bound to be new information to discuss.

At this point, LE is their best hope for finding their baby. If they are innocent of any wrongdoing, I know it's painful and frustrating for LE to focus on them, but they might be able to provide answers to help resolve any discrepancies, clear themselves and move the investigation in another direction.

I have no idea whether the parents were involved, so I don't say this with the mindset that they're guilty of something - but I have to say that I'd willingly risk being manhandled, abused, accused, berated, tortured - anything! - if there were even a scintilla of a chance it might ultimately help in finding my baby. There's nothing that I wouldn't personally endure toward that end.

Of course, the parents certainly have rights and are free to exercise them. But it does at least give the appearance that, even if totally innocent, they are more concerned with themselves and sticking it to LE for accusing them than with doing anything humanly possible to try to get their baby back.

 

[SyraKelly]

I think SY is trying to say-that there is a level of cooperation from the parents-like the leads and tips-phone wise!!
When the level of cooperation needs to be top priority-like was anyone else there that night?(just example)I do not think he was misleading the public by his statement that a poster here said!!

 

[norest4thewicked]

I see interrogation tapes as part of discovery for my work. LE certainly can and do jump straight to accusations, based upon the case. They hammer away, trying to see if someone's going to break. This doesn't mean that they are in your face, yelling at you, or threatening violence. But they will go back to the same thing, over and over and over, trying to trip you up. It will go on for hours and it will seem like they aren't listening to you.

This isn't the case for every investigation, nor is it the case for every LE officer or detective. But I certainly think it's a valid point - I see the video evidence of it all the time.

And, in these cases, I would think that LE knows something before they start to accuse. I'm sure that it has happened somewhere in history that some idiot investigator or two jumps in and insists that the person they are interviewing is guilty. But, this isn't logical and it does not serve their purposes or the purposes of the missing person. The object is to find the child. When people insist that LE was interrogating them and in their face with absolutely no reason, it just doesn't make sense. How do any of them know that LE wasn't told some things that really got them questioning her involvement? LE isn't going to tell this to the media and DB danged sure isn't going to. The bottom line is that while I am not disputing what you see in your daily work, neither one of us knows what they learned in the early hours of this investigation to make them accuse her.

 

[Marshmallow]

I know that in the times that I have been in situations in which the crap has hit the fan in whatever way that the first story that I can remember is not always the way that the story really is. Things happen to fast and details get lost then as I have time to sit back and think about things I start remembering more details.


I can also understand that this woman had too much to drink on that night and she is probably more mortified by that than anyone can even imagine. She probably thought that telling that to start with would immediately cause them to look at her as a suspect on top of being ashamed that when her daughter needed her she was too drunk to help out. Can you imagine the guilt in that alone?


I don't know what happened to that baby and no one else here does either but so many people here seem to lose their humanity in these cases so much so as to the point of being down right cruel.

I wouldn't wish for anyone to lose a child but until it happens to you, you don't know what you would do or how you would react no matter how much that very thing gets preached on this board.


*taking a time out*

the only proof of the mother being too drunk to remember and in the habit of blacking out, is her own words.

there is a difference between putting a child to bed at appx. 6:30pm and putting her to bed at 10:30pm.

it is not loss of humanity or cruel to want to know why the parents refuse to help LE locate their missing baby. It is a missing child. A baby. Their baby.

 

[Apex-mom]

People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.

17 hours is a drop in the bucket. If it were my daughter I would be LIVING at the police station.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Yes, I beleive LE wants a lawyer free interview separately with Jeremy and Debbie, I think lawyers use the same tactics and interfere as in "I wouldn't answer that question." Just like an IRS audit, Hello we're IRS and want to audit you. Any good accountant lawyer is going to ask the IRS which areas they question.

I think LE has gained more knowledge as the investigation moves along, I'm sure they want to question them both about it. I think any good defense lawyer would advise against it, but this is America.

I think LE should ask for what they want, free of lawyer interference. I'm sure he instructed Deb and Jeremy what their rights are. I think Jeremy and Debbie should grab themselves by the butt and go in there and do it. They and we already know it won't be pleasent or a day at disney. Go Jeremy and Debbie, do it for Lisa, get-r-done.

I don't have a problem with LE using the press, they often do. It's somewhat of a love/hate relationship with the press. I think LE has done an outstanding job investigating. If Jeremy or Deb gets charged, I hope LE has the evidence to back up their charges. This isn't about Jeremy and Deb, it's about finding baby Lisa.

Yes I also beleive that it's possible something revealed in an interrogation could lead to finding baby Lisa. Let all of them clear the air and communicate.

And a good start to that might begin with the attorneys and the parents NOT going on national tv and trashing LE.

(And yes,I would say the same things about LE...IF I had ever seen LE do that.)

 

[curiositycat]

IMHO I think, if they did interview them separately, neither one of them would break.

That ship has sailed, sadly, they have spent too much time alone and by now have their stories down pat. MOO

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Once again it comes down to this. What are DB and JI so worried about being questioned for. What do they have to hide because you are only afraid if you have something to hide. If you really want your child found you do what you have to do. You fall off the ends of the earth for your children, you dont hide away and come out at your convenience and no matter who you are YOU dont tell LE what to do to make you happy or come down and talk to them, you dont give them conditions, you do what LE tells you to so. If these parents were innocent, they would have seen that LE was on their side. How can anyone be on their side now. THEY have made themselves look guilty and have only themselves to blame for that.

BBM

One thing the lawyer would be worried about is LE convincing one or the other does have something to hide and turning them against the other using lying and trickery and ending up with a lie from one of the parents.

An example would be LE hearing hints that DB or JI have been having an affair with a certain person.

LE creates a bunch of fake emails, text or pings and shows one of them all this perfect evidence.

LE tells JI they know this boyfriend was over that night and they know that JI knows Deb shook the baby earlier and it probably died while deb was drunk with the boyfriend. JI is so sucked into the LE story he agrees with LE that she shook the baby and he saw it.


LE does a very similar thing with Deb. Tell her JI came home early found her drunk and the baby dead from JI shaking it earlier and he calls his GF and she comes to the home and takes dead Lisa. Deb goes along with them and says yep I saw him shake her.

LE would then use this division to try and break one of them into telling where the baby was because they really believe one of them know.

But say it doesn't work because neither one of them really know anything and all you end up with is a family destroyed further.

 

[Duke Fan4]

Of course LE wants to sit down with them again in an unrestricted interview especially after the HRD hit.

 

[Marshmallow]

Is it unconstintutional?

One has a right to an attorney.
Doesn't mean one HAS to be there. Yes?-No?

imo

the LE have never stated that an atty could not be present. It is a rumor planted to rile people up to justify the parents refusing to help LE locate their child. There has never been anything from LE saying the parents could not each have an atty present, LE does not operate that way but it is to the parent's benefit to plant such a rumor and allow the chain of gossip to upset and rile people up against LE. Many do not trust LE and this false story is working well for the parents.

 

[Donjeta]

George S: If the police say we want to talk to the couple today, no questions off the table, your clients will say yes?

Joe T: Absolutely

So are they there at the station being questioned yet?

If not it's just more spin. :cow:


I find it very hinky if they do not agree to being questioned separately. It's not like they didn't have the time to compare notes and agree on a story so why would they be afraid of being questioned separately? So as one can't turn the other one in?

"We need them to sit down apart from each other, with detectives, and answer the tough questions detectives have for them concerning what they may or may not know about anything, who came and went [the night Lisa disappeared]," Young told ABCNews.com. "There's a whole list of things that they may know."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-police-tough-questions-parents/story?id=14810300

BBM. That's not a tough question :waitasec:
IMO, this is the easy part that they shoulda had down pat within the first fifteen minutes. If they're still struggling with it, it strongly suggests to me that LE found indications that the parents lied about something relating who came and went that night.

MOO and all that.

 

[wvjules]

This is JMO-But If I am innocent-I would take my lawyer with me to the interview-I would not care who interviewed me or whether its restricted or unrestricted..who cares-ask me all the questions you want-give me LDT- just clear me -so you can look in other directions for my baby-this should have happened a long time ago--precious time has been lost due to this family's games..its really not a good sign for Lisa..WOW

Haven't they already BTDT?

 

[Bon]

They already were, for a couple days.

Well apparently it wasn't enough because baby Lisa is still missing!
They need to keep talking and so do those two boys.....especially if they want Lisa found........

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

I just had to jump in with this. 17.5 hours. That sounds like a lot. But most people work 36-40 hours in a week. They do it to keep their jobs. Some people work 50-60 hours in a week. Again, to keep their jobs. Is Lisa less important than a job?

Most probably the LE investigating this case have worked 40 + hours a week on this case. And she isn't even their child. So in the 3 weeks since she has been missing, they have probably logged in about 120 + hours on this case. And how many investigators are there? LE has logged a lot of man hours on this case. Many more than 17.5.

How many WS members feel they have probably put in more than 17.5 hours on this case in the last 3 weeks? I know I have. I would bet that many more have.


So in the grand scheme of things, 17.5 hours doesn't sound like very much at all, for parents who claim their child was abducted.

Last in interviews with the parents on Oct. 8. Since that time several searches were completed, Jersey was arrested, an abandoned home was reported and cleared. There was another report of a man walking around with a baby, and a blob was seen on camera. Several live sightings have been investigated. A search warrant was served on their home. I would think that in all that activity it is likely that several new questions may have come up. Possibly info that LE wants to impart to the parents. But for some odd reason, parents don't want to. They want LE to give them info, but they don't seem to want to exchange info.

Excellent post!!! I love your analogy. Yes, I have worked 18-hour days, and yes they were exhausting and sometimes I got frustrated. In fact for a while I cried on my way into work and on my way home every day because my advisor was constantly berating me and i had to hold it in all day...but in the morning I had to get up and go back to the lab. I did it because graduating was so important to me.

Please tell me that finding Lisa is as important to her parents as getting my PhD is to me?!

 

[Cappuccino]

People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.

17 hours is a drop in the bucket. If it were my daughter I would be LIVING at the police station.

I wouldn't. I'd give them 12 hours, and if after that time LE were making it clear that I was a suspect I would get up and leave the police station. I wouldn't go back near them till I was lawyered up to the hilt either - remember Riley Fox.

 

[Lovespasta]

The time has come for DB and JI to get over there and talk to LE. There isn't any more searches going on. If they are truly innocent they need to hurry up. Their time is running out.