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[aussiesheila]

And what do you call serving up your daughter to Pedophiles constitute???

I don't know what it is called and what has it got to do with this case anyway? Neither Patsy nor John served their daughter up to pedophiles.

 

[narlacat]

You have gone to a lot of trouble Nuisanceposter, and everything you have posted is correct.



I guess what I take exception to is your emphasis on the "willingly". I probably haven't explained myself well enough, but I did not intend that any of those quotes you uncovered in your search to imply that Patsy was 'willing' in the true sense of the word.

It was more a case of Patsy not being up to the task of taking a strong stand and saying "No" at the very beginning, when JonBenet was first abused which I beleive was by Patsy's own father when Patsy herself had just come down with ovarian cancer. Then as time went on, when a close friend started abusing JonBenet also, Patsy becoming more and more deeply compromised, a situation that the pedophiles well knew and understood and used against her when they needed someone to write a ransom note after they had accidentally killed JonBenet.

So I suppose I could agree that Patsy "willingly" wrote the ransom note, but by then she knew JonBenet was dead anyway, and she most definitely did not want John to learn of the prior abuse because he would most certainly not listen to any of her excuses as to why she had ignored it, and would most certainly divorce her and get custody of Burke. So she was 'willing' in a kind of blackmail situation.



As for the "knowingly", this again is hard for me to explain as I am not a psychologist, but there is something about a person being 'in denial', where they 'know' at some deeper level of their subconscious, but keep it suppressed so that at their conscious level it is not 'there'.

How unlucky JonBenet is in your theory Aussie.
First it's her grandfather that abuses her, then it's a close friend, then it's half the freakin' town.
Yeah right.

 

[narlacat]

Well then the whole world is full of liars and there is no point in singling John Ramsey out and using it as evidence that he killed his daughter.

Where have I ever said JR killed his daughter??

What I was saying there was that he has lied in the past.

and that he lied during the investigation into his daughters death.

For whatever reason, more than likely to protect his wife and more importantly, himself.

 

[BBB167893]

"First it's her grandfather that abuses her"

That I can buy, just not completely right now.

"Once the drug(s) started to work she would have been more docile, more amenable and had she lived would have had only a hazy memory of the cord and the heart and the pineapple and everything that went with it, IMO."

I doubt it, aussiesheila. For one reason: no drug traces were found in the autopsy report. That suggests two things; one, it worked its way out between feeding and dying; two, it was undetectable. To be completely undetectable, poison has to be absorbed through the skin. But it would take quite a lot, and it would have to be on the body for some time. I suppose you could hide it in lotion or something...

 

[aussiesheila]

"Once the drug(s) started to work she would have been more docile, more amenable and had she lived would have had only a hazy memory of the cord and the heart and the pineapple and everything that went with it, IMO."

I doubt it, aussiesheila. For one reason: no drug traces were found in the autopsy report. That suggests two things; one, it worked its way out between feeding and dying; two, it was undetectable. To be completely undetectable, poison has to be absorbed through the skin. But it would take quite a lot, and it would have to be on the body for some time. I suppose you could hide it in lotion or something...

I don't think this is correct SuperDave. To get a positive result for a drug you have to perform a test specific for the drug in question. If the pedophiles were clever enough to use a rarely used or newly developed drug, one that is unlikely to be tested for, then even if the drug is present in the system the test(s) that the coroner uses will not pick it up. I would very much like to know just which drugs were actually tested for at the autopsy.

 

[BBB167893]

I'll look and get back to you.