Lee's "C.M.A."

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I have often wondered how many cases since Caylee were all, or in part, due to copy catters seeking attention and/or money.

I never watched the entire memorial the A's put on, I couldn't...made me sick and very angry. I did watch clips of it later, only clips though.
 
Are you positive about that MH revealed that KC said that over the phone? The reason I searched for the message was that I was hoping to find the date MH would have received it - as it may indicate if KC had told CA and LA what she did to Caylee and when. I don't know why then I have referenced MySpace in my notes. Do you have a link per chance?

Also I thought it was on topic because it's referring to Lee with the hope of determining if he knew something bad had happened to Caylee prior to July 16.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72909&highlight=Military+Guy&page=2
Post #27 dtd. 10/12/08
"She had told her mom and brother she didn't know how he'd react to ...." (the assumption is that whatever it was KC wanted to tell MH she had already told her mom and brother. The date of the exchange is not included in the post.
MH's myspace source was deleated as noted in the linked post. Figures.
This is an example of why we should always have the initial source of the information (finally found).
The information can be interpreted in more than one way.

Source found but no sound answer. :snooty:
 
Are you positive about that MH revealed that KC said that over the phone? The reason I searched for the message was that I was hoping to find the date MH would have received it - as it may indicate if KC had told CA and LA what she did to Caylee and when. I don't know why then I have referenced MySpace in my notes. Do you have a link per chance?

Also I thought it was on topic because it's referring to Lee with the hope of determining if he knew something bad had happened to Caylee prior to July 16.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72909&highlight=Military+Guy&page=2
Post #27 dtd. 10/12/08
"She had told her mom and brother she didn't know how he'd react to ...." (the assumption is that whatever it was KC wanted to tell MH she had already told her mom and brother. The date of the exchange is not included in the post.
MH's myspace source was deleated as noted in the linked post. Figures.
This is an example of why we should always have the initial source of the information (finally found).
The information can be interpreted in more than one way.

The information came from OSCO's supplemental report #6. I can't find the original .pdf, but here's ACandyRose's transcription:

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_ArrestSup-No6_071808.htm

...

On July 17, 2008, I recieved a phone call from Mr. Mark Hawkins; he advised he knows Mrs. Anthony. Mr. Hawkins is an active duty Marine stationed in 29 Palms, California. Mrs. Anthony and Mrs. Hawkins were communicating on almost a daily basis via telephone and Internet. Approximately a week ago from July 17, 2008, Mrs. Anthony told Mr. Hawkins that she was planning a trip to california and she needed to tell him something. Mrs. Anthony said she told her mother and brother, and she did not know how he would react about what she had to tell him. Mr. Hawkins heard that Caylee's father was deceased, and he was a Security Guard at Universal Studios.

...

Detective Rivera 07/18/2008

ETA: It is unclear from what the detective says whether the communication from Casey to MH was over the phone or Internet.
 
I honestly believe that, even at this "memorial service", this family absolutely refused to believe that Caylee was gone. Yes, they had a child cremated, but they still believed that these "remain" were a "plant" at the crime scene, set their to make certain that KC never gets out of jail. They cremated those remains (and may have used them in jewelry) because LE had IDed them as Caylee, but even in her e-mails CA questioned the validity of the tests. So CMA was meant for 1 person only...lil sis.
 
To be honest, I sat in front of the television set growing more and more mesmerized by the memorial with each passing minute, and yet I was also beset by a slew of insignifcant details that caused a constant flow of distracting internal dialogue. For example, while Lee was giving his truly passionate, emotion-packed speech, I was bitterly blaming him for not wearing a jacket. When Cindy stood behind him, sort of patting him in a soothing supportive way, I was wondering why in hell she didn't order him to wear a jacket.

While Lee was addressing his remarks to the "CMAs" I tried to figure out which CMA he was talking to, then I got aggravated because the whole family insists on talking in tongues. When Lee was in tears, I felt terrible for him and filled with admiration because he wasn't afraid to show it, but then he started tearfully kissing his wrist, and as hard as I tried, I could not think of what religion it was where wrist-kissing was a religious gesture.

I'd noticed that the A's were wearing rather an inordinate amount of jewelry for such a somber occasion, but I pushed that thought aside as uncharitable. It wasn't until George was speaking that I finally hit on the fact that the jewelry must be cremation "jewelry," but unfortunately that realization coincided with George's request for letters to KC, which so offended me that I called him a "Moron" out loud.

When Cindy was on stage with the whole group of men, I cringed a bit at what seemed to be too little of her affection directed at George and too much of it directed at an unknown gentleman.... Underlying all of that was my totally unwanted, simmering sense of angry empathy with KC because Cindy had first totally blown off all KC's wishes and usurped her authority by cremating Caylee and throwing this huge public bash of a memorial---and then Cindy had the gall to stand on that stage and, dripping with maternal love, tell KC how very much Cindy wished she could put her arms around her and comfort her!

I found myself wondering angrily if this sort of unfair, emotional warfare hadn't been the story of KC's life. The next thing I knew, I was practically blaming Cindy for Caylee's death and thinking that if KC had killed Cindy rather than Caylee, it could have been justifyable homicide. By that time, Cindy had reclaimed the teddy bear which I realized undoubtedly contained Caylee's ashes and which had been reposing near a picture of KC -- Caylee's murderer.

I swore at Cindy for cremating Caylee and for trying to stuff a picture of KC's murderer down our collective throats, then I reached for the TV's remote control.

All in all, I derived neither comfort nor a sense of closure from that memorial. If anything, it had the reverse effect on me, although that is my particular problem and not the fault of the memorial itself.

Ya know, I don't think Lee even knew wtf he was sayin'. He was probably handed a script to memorize! Everytime he said something she liked she'd rub all up on his back and 🤬🤬🤬🤬. OK now, be momma's perfect boy and do as your told!

:sick::banghead::loser::sick:

eta. Something else that bugged me was how they left Mallory sitting out in the "audience". I mean She is pretty much family, no? Caylee called her aunt, didn't she? They have been together how long??? She shoulda been up there rubbin' on Lee while he cried.
 
Ya know, I don't think Lee even knew wtf he was sayin'. He was probably handed a script to memorize! Everytime he said something she liked she'd rub all up on his back and 🤬🤬🤬🤬. OK now, be momma's perfect boy and do as your told!

:sick::banghead::loser::sick:

eta. Something else that bugged me was how they left Mallory sitting out in the "audience". I mean She is pretty much family, no? Caylee called her aunt, didn't she? They have been together how long??? She shoulda been up there rubbin' on Lee while he cried.

IMO They have been together long enough that she (Mallory) knows her place and knows her role well!!
 
IMO They have been together long enough that she (Mallory) knows her place and knows her role well!!

:bow: I had to say on behalf of us with mentally unwell, controlling mother in laws who have to be the center of attention and freakishly inappropriate with their sons, I had to say thank you and tell you how much I appreciate your post!

It is prudent not to lose your sense of self with strange family dynamics as such. For the sake of ones own sanity, the two of you have got to find your backbone to put an end to the mind games or beat feet and get the hell out cause the mega beast will likely not back down quietly. :argue:
Things will get worse before they start to improve if you choose the former.
 
:bow: I had to say on behalf of us with mentally unwell, controlling mother in laws who have to be the center of attention and freakishly inappropriate with their sons, I had to say thank you and tell you how much I appreciate your post!

It is prudent not to lose your sense of self with strange family dynamics as such. For the sake of ones own sanity, the two of you have got to find your backbone to put an end to the mind games or beat feet and get the hell out cause the mega beast will likely not back down quietly. :argue:
Things will get worse before they start to improve if you choose the former.

It seems she is already well trained. Fool. (her, not you)
 
I think if you were talking to Caylee you would say Caylee not CMA. These people are so transparent. If I go further I will get booted.
 
Ya know, I don't think Lee even knew wtf he was sayin'. He was probably handed a script to memorize! Everytime he said something she liked she'd rub all up on his back and 🤬🤬🤬🤬. OK now, be momma's perfect boy and do as your told!

:sick::banghead::loser::sick:

eta. Something else that bugged me was how they left Mallory sitting out in the "audience". I mean She is pretty much family, no? Caylee called her aunt, didn't she? They have been together how long??? She shoulda been up there rubbin' on Lee while he cried.

The rubbing made me crazy. I kept thinking that's how I rub my dog and say "Good Boy!"
 
To be honest, I sat in front of the television set growing more and more mesmerized by the memorial with each passing minute, and yet I was also beset by a slew of insignifcant details that caused a constant flow of distracting internal dialogue. For example, while Lee was giving his truly passionate, emotion-packed speech, I was bitterly blaming him for not wearing a jacket. When Cindy stood behind him, sort of patting him in a soothing supportive way, I was wondering why in hell she didn't order him to wear a jacket.

While Lee was addressing his remarks to the "CMAs" I tried to figure out which CMA he was talking to, then I got aggravated because the whole family insists on talking in tongues. When Lee was in tears, I felt terrible for him and filled with admiration because he wasn't afraid to show it, but then he started tearfully kissing his wrist, and as hard as I tried, I could not think of what religion it was where wrist-kissing was a religious gesture.

I'd noticed that the A's were wearing rather an inordinate amount of jewelry for such a somber occasion, but I pushed that thought aside as uncharitable. It wasn't until George was speaking that I finally hit on the fact that the jewelry must be cremation "jewelry," but unfortunately that realization coincided with George's request for letters to KC, which so offended me that I called him a "Moron" out loud.

When Cindy was on stage with the whole group of men, I cringed a bit at what seemed to be too little of her affection directed at George and too much of it directed at an unknown gentleman.... Underlying all of that was my totally unwanted, simmering sense of angry empathy with KC because Cindy had first totally blown off all KC's wishes and usurped her authority by cremating Caylee and throwing this huge public bash of a memorial---and then Cindy had the gall to stand on that stage and, dripping with maternal love, tell KC how very much Cindy wished she could put her arms around her and comfort her!

I found myself wondering angrily if this sort of unfair, emotional warfare hadn't been the story of KC's life. The next thing I knew, I was practically blaming Cindy for Caylee's death and thinking that if KC had killed Cindy rather than Caylee, it could have been justifyable homicide. By that time, Cindy had reclaimed the teddy bear which I realized undoubtedly contained Caylee's ashes and which had been reposing near a picture of KC -- Caylee's murderer.

I swore at Cindy for cremating Caylee and for trying to stuff a picture of KC's murderer down our collective throats, then I reached for the TV's remote control.

All in all, I derived neither comfort nor a sense of closure from that memorial. If anything, it had the reverse effect on me, although that is my particular problem and not the fault of the memorial itself.
...and you don't think you should write about this? Oh, Friday you must...if not just to publish a collection of your posts...they're that good! You could always call this book "Confessions of a No-Life Blogger". You'd make a fortune...and knowing you, TES would be that much better off.
 
I have often wondered how many cases since Caylee were all, or in part, due to copy catters seeking attention and/or money.

I never watched the entire memorial the A's put on, I couldn't...made me sick and very angry. I did watch clips of it later, only clips though.
Ditto here...and I've wondered the same thing about the copycats. It seems like these crimes are escalating But, maybe I'm just more cognizant of them...now that I'm so vested in WS.
 
The rubbing made me crazy. I kept thinking that's how I rub my dog and say "Good Boy!"

I would have had to elbow somebody if they started doing that to me while I was trying to speak to a crowd. It looked downright weird to me. Glad to hear I'm not alone.
 
You know, I have NEVER heard the term "reached out" before this case, other than the AT&T commercial......


'Reaching out' for help is a phrase common to the mafia entertainment genre (Sopranos, Godfather, etc). For some reason- just a feeling- I think that's where the Anthonys picked it up. I can easily picture them glamorizing that culture, with their strong family loyalties, 'code of silence', and especially the apparently easy money.


And like 2goldfish (I think?) said, Idiocracy is a movie. It stars Owen Wilson and Maya Rudolph, and is a funny (and disturbing) critique on the over-commercialization and dumbing down of society.


Sorry to repost this information, but I see people keep asking about these two things (Well, okay, the Sopranos theory is really just my two-cents...;)
 
He explained in his deposition that he was talking to all of the women in his family - Cindy, Casey, Caylee

He's a tool

I think many, if not most of us, realized at the time that he was talking to all three, and some of his words were specifically for Casey. It would have been a better choice to have addressed each individually if he felt it necessary to include Cindy and Casey.

I was very disappointed in the memorial service as so little of it was devoted to Caylee. It was disrespectful and totally lacking in class, to have a list of those who would be refused admittance to the service.
 
I really didn't know what to make of Lees "CMA", I do know I felt very uncomfortable even watching it. After I thought about it, I felt angry that if he was referring to Caylee with the CMA, then he disrespected her memory by not using her name...Caylee. It was almost as if they were afraid of even saying Caylee's name and that is repulsive to me. Who was this memorial for ? Of course, on the outside they wanted to present to the world that this show was for Caylee, but how could that be when they couldn't even call her by her full name ? I don't believe it was for Caylee, it was to get sympathy for Casey with the pictures, the messages to write to her in jail and Cindy's reach out to her loving "mother of the year". That alone was enough to poison the whole service (if you can even call it that). The only person I felt sorry for in that memorial was Shirley, I hate what she must be going through.
 
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