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Do attorneys like to pick potential jurors that are very educated compared to uneducated people and are they more likely to pick someone with average intelligence rather than higher intelligence?
 
  • #122
If ICA was molested by someone not in the home who Cindy and George did not know (teacher, coach, friends brother etc), would failing to protect ICA still be a mitigating factor? Just to clarify say ICA did not tell anyone in the talk about it with anyone and her behavior didn't indicate she was being molested?

Thank you!!
 
  • #123
Could GA and CA get on the stand and plead the 5th? I was thinking about the GA did it/abuse strategies and the defense trying to keep them out of the courtroom. I had an idea that would pull it all together but wasn't sure if my thinking was correct.

If the defense portrays the Anthony family as abusive and GA as the true killer to the jury and then has them come in and refuse to testify due to not wanting to incriminate themselves the jury could see that as if they were verifying the defenses story, ie "these people must really be terrible/guilty of something because they thought they would incriminate themselves". Could they do that?
 
  • #124
How many jurors do we have?
 
  • #125
I heard somewhere today that in order for JB to have an appeal to file that he must use all 10 of his "strikes". If he doesn't then he can't appeal because he didn't put the effort into getting the most impartial jury he could by using his strikes.

IF that is the case and we only have 8 jurors through so far - JB would have to strike all 8 (he still has 9 strikes left) and then we just keep going?

TIA
 
  • #126
Can someone please explain the preemptory challenges, challenge for cause and strikes in relation to the potential juror who was questioned on 5/13/11. She was the black American whom Mr. George questioned about how she thought she can sit on the jiury being that she stated she does not like to judge people? I think that Mr. George challenged for cause and Judge Perry denied him, but I'm not quite sure if I understood it all.
 
  • #127
Well I am kinda being lazy here (sorry). However, I think most of the US lawyers will know this almost off by heart.

Quote from From Batson v Kentucky:


My question stems, more specifically from this comment "the defendant first must show that he is a member of a cognizable racial group, and that the prosecutor has exercised peremptory challenges to remove from the venire members of the defendant's race."

Should this still be good law, can (and if so how can) ICA lawfully complain of the State using Peremptory Challenges to exclude people, for example, of African American ethnicity when ICA herself is not an African American?

Has there been new case law since then?


Also does this comment, "the defendant may also rely on the fact that peremptory challenges constitute a jury selection practice that permits those to discriminate who are of a mind to discriminate", mean that a Defendant can complain that the Jury selection practice allows the SA to discriminate against a protected cognisable group if the SA were so minded? Sorry I just don't understand the construction of that phrase.

The Batson decision suggested that the rule only applied where the challenges were to jurors of the same race as the defendant, but there was a later Supreme Court case, Powers v. Ohio maybe?, that expanded the rule to all challenges based on race.

I think the comment you asked about just means that there is an obvious risk that peremptory challenges can be used for improper purposes.

Thanks, AZlawyer. I was under the impression because of a newspaper article and other media earlier that the word lawsuit was used.

Maybe it was--I just find that we cannot rely on the media to make subtle distinctions between things like bar complaints and lawsuits, chloroform and odor, etc.

Due to the SA not getting the peremptory challenge and this person was moved to the next phase, what types of questions would be ask in that phase and would the prospective juror be stricken than?

Thank you in advance for all you do to help us understand.

There is no next phase. Unless HHJP reconsiders (cross your fingers!!)--or the defense strikes her before she is sworn in (I doubt it)--or HHJP follows the practice of selecting alternates by random lot instead of just taking the last 8 on the list and she's selected as an alternate--then she will be a juror. :(

Do attorneys like to pick potential jurors that are very educated compared to uneducated people and are they more likely to pick someone with average intelligence rather than higher intelligence?

Attorneys differ. I personally like to pick smart people, because I don't take cases to trial unless I know they are good cases, and smart people are easier for me to talk to. :) In this case, I think JB and CM will not want smart people, because smart people might understand the forensic evidence...

If ICA was molested by someone not in the home who Cindy and George did not know (teacher, coach, friends brother etc), would failing to protect ICA still be a mitigating factor? Just to clarify say ICA did not tell anyone in the talk about it with anyone and her behavior didn't indicate she was being molested?

Thank you!!

Yes, that would still be a potential mitigating factor. But really almost anything can be a mitigating factor. It can get very silly. E.g., the defendant's karate coach from high school comes in and says, oh, he was very disciplined and always worried about not hurting anyone. :rolleyes:

Could GA and CA get on the stand and plead the 5th? I was thinking about the GA did it/abuse strategies and the defense trying to keep them out of the courtroom. I had an idea that would pull it all together but wasn't sure if my thinking was correct.

If the defense portrays the Anthony family as abusive and GA as the true killer to the jury and then has them come in and refuse to testify due to not wanting to incriminate themselves the jury could see that as if they were verifying the defenses story, ie "these people must really be terrible/guilty of something because they thought they would incriminate themselves". Could they do that?

They can plead the 5th if they are asked about something they could be prosecuted for, yes. I suppose the State could also grant them immunity to thwart that plan, but then there's the risk that they will admit to the alleged crimes. I truly don't think that CA or GA will take the 5th or admit to any such crimes. I think that they are probably getting pretty mad after AF's little list of mitigating factors came out the other day.

How many jurors do we have?

Heck if I know. I haven't read the evening thread yet. Hopefully someone will see this post and answer for you. :)

I heard somewhere today that in order for JB to have an appeal to file that he must use all 10 of his "strikes". If he doesn't then he can't appeal because he didn't put the effort into getting the most impartial jury he could by using his strikes.

IF that is the case and we only have 8 jurors through so far - JB would have to strike all 8 (he still has 9 strikes left) and then we just keep going?

TIA

Well, obviously Casey can appeal on lots of other issues without exercising all strikes. But she can't object to the makeup of the jury without using her strikes.

On the other hand, I'm not really understanding the way HHJP has this set up. If the parties don't get a chance to strike after seeing the WHOLE panel of qualified jurors, I don't think the appellate court will blame JB for "saving" some strikes for later batches of jurors, because how could he know if the next batch might be worse?

Can someone please explain the preemptory challenges, challenge for cause and strikes in relation to the potential juror who was questioned on 5/13/11. She was the black American whom Mr. George questioned about how she thought she can sit on the jiury being that she stated she does not like to judge people? I think that Mr. George challenged for cause and Judge Perry denied him, but I'm not quite sure if I understood it all.

It sounds like the State challenged for cause, the judge said no, the State then tried to use a peremptory challenge, the defense said they thought the State might be using the challenge because the potential juror was black, the State said WHAT?? NO, we are challenging her because she says she can't judge people based on the testimony of other people, then the judge said, other jurors said the same thing and you didn't strike them so I'm finding that you are trying to strike her because she's black...strike denied.

:waitasec:
 
  • #128
AZ - and what is really odd, is that one of the other jurors that said the same thing & receiving no strike from the state, was also black (from what I've read)!
 
  • #129
The Batson decision suggested that the rule only applied where the challenges were to jurors of the same race as the defendant, but there was a later Supreme Court case, Powers v. Ohio maybe?, that expanded the rule to all challenges based on race.

I think the comment you asked about just means that there is an obvious risk that peremptory challenges can be used for improper purposes.



Maybe it was--I just find that we cannot rely on the media to make subtle distinctions between things like bar complaints and lawsuits, chloroform and odor, etc.



There is no next phase. Unless HHJP reconsiders (cross your fingers!!)--or the defense strikes her before she is sworn in (I doubt it)--or HHJP follows the practice of selecting alternates by random lot instead of just taking the last 8 on the list and she's selected as an alternate--then she will be a juror. :(



Attorneys differ. I personally like to pick smart people, because I don't take cases to trial unless I know they are good cases, and smart people are easier for me to talk to. :) In this case, I think JB and CM will not want smart people, because smart people might understand the forensic evidence...



Yes, that would still be a potential mitigating factor. But really almost anything can be a mitigating factor. It can get very silly. E.g., the defendant's karate coach from high school comes in and says, oh, he was very disciplined and always worried about not hurting anyone. :rolleyes:



They can plead the 5th if they are asked about something they could be prosecuted for, yes. I suppose the State could also grant them immunity to thwart that plan, but then there's the risk that they will admit to the alleged crimes. I truly don't think that CA or GA will take the 5th or admit to any such crimes. I think that they are probably getting pretty mad after AF's little list of mitigating factors came out the other day.



Heck if I know. I haven't read the evening thread yet. Hopefully someone will see this post and answer for you. :)



Well, obviously Casey can appeal on lots of other issues without exercising all strikes. But she can't object to the makeup of the jury without using her strikes.

On the other hand, I'm not really understanding the way HHJP has this set up. If the parties don't get a chance to strike after seeing the WHOLE panel of qualified jurors, I don't think the appellate court will blame JB for "saving" some strikes for later batches of jurors, because how could he know if the next batch might be worse?



It sounds like the State challenged for cause, the judge said no, the State then tried to use a peremptory challenge, the defense said they thought the State might be using the challenge because the potential juror was black, the State said WHAT?? NO, we are challenging her because she says she can't judge people based on the testimony of other people, then the judge said, other jurors said the same thing and you didn't strike them so I'm finding that you are trying to strike her because she's black...strike denied.

:waitasec:

People keep talking about the third phase of questioning but the way I understand it is the jurors who have made it past this questioning today will then assemble and one by one, the defense and state can use their peremptories until they seat a jury. There will be no further questioning but there will be a round during which they can strike jurors.

ETA: Based on this, this lady juror we are all talking about is the only one we know of for sure that is seated.

It happened fast but I did not hear Ashton object based on cause. I thought he just flew straight to his peremptory. She was not questioned at all as long as anyone else. By either side. The defense loved her.

I have never seen Batson challenge to a peremptory succeed and I was shocked by this.
 
  • #130
thank you to our qualified experts.
 
  • #131
Hi AZlawyer,

But would it still be considered CA and GA not protecting her? TIA
 
  • #132
Hi AZlawyer,

But would it still be considered CA and GA not protecting her? TIA

Yes, not protecting might include letting a child be in a situation where they can be molested by someone else. But don't get distracted by this--if the alleged situation wasn't CA/GA's fault, the defense team can just say the mitigating factor is the molestation rather than the parents' failure to protect.
 
  • #133
They could have. I too am concerned about forcing strikes before the entire panel is available for review--what if you use 8 strikes on the first group of 12, but then the next group is so much worse?

Excellent point.


I recently handled a malpractice case against another attorney (I know--bad karma) and his defenses were: 1. That guy wasn't even my client; 2. Even if he was my client, I never gave him any advice; 3. Even if I did give him advice, the advice was correct; 4. Even if my advice was wrong, he would never have followed my advice if I'd given him the right advice; and 5. Even if I had given him the right advice and he had followed it, he would have lost everything anyway, so no harm no foul. :) Perfectly acceptable way to defend the case under the law, but the jury was appalled.

It's good jurors can think reasonably. I think sometimes attorneys forget how bizarre they sound.


I don't watch the hearings live, so I'll have to assume this is true. It's possible that he gives the defense more leeway because they are the ones defending someone with constitutional rights and her life on the line. He is not supposed to protect the rights of the SA to the same extent that he is supposed to protect the rights of Casey.

The proceedings have been so slow, they're boring. The highlights have been when potential jurors have stated point blank they believe Casey is guilty. The other highlight is listening to HHJP's unique twist on language. His pronunciation of "VER" dire always perks me up.


Thanks to our attorneys who take your time to answers our questions. There must be a special place in Heaven for all of you.

Is there any way they can speed up this jury process? It's taking insanely long. If the judge would crack down on repetitive questions asked by the Def. Team, the time could be cut in half. He told them to stop repeating themselves, but they still do. They just rephrase the same question over and over. Why can't he set the rules and make them abide by them?

Cheney Mason stood up and complained that his stamina couldn't handle going late into the night, yet he's the one who's been dragging the selection out all week. Not only does he talk with his slow Southern drawl (I'm Southern, so I'm not making fun), but he spends time making jokes, and cozying up to jurors. How can this be right? How can it be tolerated?

Jose Baez actually flirts! He was red as a beet on Friday when he got up to question a 32-year-old female college/nursing student. Why does the judge allow this kind of stuff? Jose was red-faced, giddy, and giggling!!!

By the way, Casey was not at all happy about it. It's driving me mad, too, for different reasons.
 
  • #134
Excellent point.




It's good jurors can think reasonably. I think sometimes attorneys forget how bizarre they sound.




The proceedings have been so slow, they're boring. The highlights have been when potential jurors have stated point blank they believe Casey is guilty. The other highlight is listening to HHJP's unique twist on language. His pronunciation of "VER" dire always perks me up.


Thanks to our attorneys who take your time to answers our questions. There must be a special place in Heaven for all of you.

Is there any way they can speed up this jury process? It's taking insanely long. If the judge would crack down on repetitive questions asked by the Def. Team, the time could be cut in half. He told them to stop repeating themselves, but they still do. They just rephrase the same question over and over. Why can't he set the rules and make them abide by them?

Cheney Mason stood up and complained that his stamina couldn't handle going late into the night, yet he's the one who's been dragging the selection out all week. Not only does he talk with his slow Southern drawl (I'm Southern, so I'm not making fun), but he spends time making jokes, and cozying up to jurors. How can this be right? How can it be tolerated?

Jose Baez actually flirts! He was red as a beet on Friday when he got up to question a 32-year-old female college/nursing student. Why does the judge allow this kind of stuff? Jose was red-faced, giddy, and giggling!!!

By the way, Casey was not at all happy about it. It's driving me mad, too, for different reasons.

I think HHJP is trying to give his speed-it-up suggestions outside the hearing of the jurors as much as possible, to avoid making the jurors think he favors one side or the other. The result is that the defense team feels free to ignore his suggestions while the jurors are in the room. :banghead:
 
  • #135
Thanks for your response, AZ. I love Arizona, by the way.

Is it common when screening jurors to go on and on and on about mitigating circumstances? Several jurors have asked what they mean, and the attorney explains and explains to where it's so tiresome, I don't see how the poor person can keep up - after being grilled and dried about their personal lives first. I can understand if they asked the person if they'd be willing to consider certain factors and make a decision after it's been discussed, but they keep throwing out all sorts of "examples" that I think should wait for trial. It's like they're trying to sway the jurors now, and the poor jurors are trying to keep up. This is part of the reason this process is taking ridiculously long. I won't even mention how many people have changed their answers during all this! :banghead:
 
  • #136
Thanks for your response, AZ. I love Arizona, by the way.

Is it common when screening jurors to go on and on and on about mitigating circumstances? Several jurors have asked what they mean, and the attorney explains and explains to where it's so tiresome, I don't see how the poor person can keep up - after being grilled and dried about their personal lives first. I can understand if they asked the person if they'd be willing to consider certain factors and make a decision after it's been discussed, but they keep throwing out all sorts of "examples" that I think should wait for trial. It's like they're trying to sway the jurors now, and the poor jurors are trying to keep up. This is part of the reason this process is taking ridiculously long. I won't even mention how many people have changed their answers during all this! :banghead:

I would also like to ask is it normal to get this personal with jury? What would happen if you failed to answer some of these personal questions??? After jb showed that booking pic of that gentleman, along with mentioning a friends name to one of the PJ's on facebook--makes one wonder if they really would want to serve....What would happen if they when asking a jurior "Do you want to be on the Jury" if they said "NO"--I certainly wouldn't want to be that interigated...and there isn't anything in my background....I can get some of the questions but some of the others...:banghead::waitasec:

tia....:seeya:
 
  • #137
I'm worried about appeals issues with His Honor seating the first twelve who made it to round 3...he's pushing the opening statements date for May 17, 2011...I'm wondering if His Honor pushing like he is, not allowing the DT to pick the 18 from 100 propspective jurors but from the handful that made it through voir dire meeting the DP qualifiers, the publicity and hardships...will his process hold up and not get overturned on appeal or a new trial...JMHO

Justice for Caylee
 
  • #138
Can Casey present her own closing argument or present her own case?

Could be a good way to present her own story.
 
  • #139
Can Casey present her own closing argument or present her own case?

Could be a good way to present her own story.

Ted Bundy did it, in the State of Florida as well.
 
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