PA - infant Leon Katz murdered, twin injured, allegedly by babysitter, Pittsburgh- June 24, 2024 #2

[AnyNameIWish]

I envision the bouncer (maybe bassinet word used) to be something like this but again, highly unlikely an infant this age to fall out of it unless used incorrectly imo

And even IF I literally pushed it off a kitchen counter onto the kitchen floor? That is NOT going to cause the baby's death. Period. A few injuries, absolutely. But the injuries described of baby L? Nope. Not by a fall from a bouncy!

After reading that sole triblive article
(https:// triblive. com/local/i-heard-some-kind-of-crack-woman-admits-in-police-interrogation-video-to-killing-best-friends-baby )

about what NV's statements were after the incident, I am surprised no other news outlets are covering this at ALL. Not one content creator.

Affluenza may very well reign Supreme once again in this case.

 

[Kip]

IMO a bassinet would be near impossible for an infant this age to fall. Generally infant bassinets if any sort have solid surrounding mesh or some sort of something and are either not raised or raised quite a bit. Maybe adjustable to that height? But again without an equipment malfunction seems super unlikely to me unless propped up inappropriately

I envision the bouncer (maybe bassinet word used) to be something like this but again, highly unlikely an infant this age to fall out of it unless used incorrectly imo
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Infants generally learn to roll over at 4-7 months. IMO, it's extremely unlikely that a 6-week-old would fall out of one of those low, reclining baby seats. I had read a little about this case when it first happened. Just reading a little about it now, I wondered if it was possible that a parent or another person had injured the child, and then left him with the babysitter to cast blame on the babysitter. If that had happened, the babysitter might have noticed the child in distress and called 911, but then there would have been no need for a "story" about the baby falling.

 

[Arkay]

These babies were 6 months old. And according to this article, he fell from a bouncing chair (some places also say bassinet), 18 inches high.

They were actually six WEEKS old, not six months.

Even more helpless and less likely to be capable of wriggling out of a bouncy chair, and definitely not from a bassinet, which has sides.

They don’t have the strength or coordination at that age to affect much of anything.

And the doctors say the head injury was forceful. No six-week old could throw himself out of anywhere with any force.

An adult did this. The adult with them was NV. They were both fine until NV was alone with them.

For me the connecting the dots is clear that NV harmed both boys, with intent.

JMO and the facts that have been revealed.

 

[Curious Me]

...I envision the bouncer (maybe bassinet word used) to be something like this but again, highly unlikely an infant this age to fall out of it unless used incorrectly imo...

My question was more specific to whether infants that age should be put in a bouncy chair at all. That's what I was asking you. My concern is their neck muscles are still pretty wobbly at that age.

Thank You @TMich6811 for posting photos of possible ones considered baby chairs, one is called a Baby Rocker, so maybe different than a bouncer. Definitely bouncy chair designs have changed dramatically over the years, changed a lot since my kids were babies. If it's more like that Rocker maybe it'd be okay to use at 6 wks.

The term bassinet calls up images of a totally different apparatus in my memory, and apparently they remain close in design going by the term bassinet. ​

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ETA- I forgot to include this @TMich6811. This is a Jolly Jumper that's been around for 75 yrs., but at one time you hung it from a doorway. Recommended for babies 4-12 mos. and up to 28 lbs. IMO, whoever is caring for the child has something to do with how safe it is, leaving the room is not advised. ​

 

[TMich6811]

My question was more specific to whether infants that age should be put in a bouncy chair at all. That's what I was asking you. My concern is their neck muscles are still pretty wobbly at that age.

Thank You @TMich6811 for posting photos of possible ones considered baby chairs, one is called a Baby Rocker, so maybe different than a bouncer. Bouncy chair designs have changed dramatically over the years, changed a lot since my kids were babies. If it's more like that Rocker maybe it'd be okay to use at 6 wks.

The term bassinet calls up images of a totally different apparatus in my memory, and apparently they remain close in design going by the term bassinet. ​

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Definitely agree that bassinets are the same ol

I think bouncers can be termed based on person. All 3 of mine would have been in that type of bouncer as new borns but not a jumper, is this like you were thinking maybe?

 

[Curious Me]

...It’s unclear why she stated on the 911 call that the baby was in a bassinet while the complaint refers to a bouncer seat.

My guess would be she doesn't know much about babies, or their furniture names. She isn't a parent, but a full time student. I doubt she's spent a great deal of time caring for children, thankfully, or shopping for baby furniture. ​

 

[Curious Me]

I think bouncers can be termed based on person. All 3 of mine would have been in that type of bouncer as new borns but not a jumper, is this like you were thinking maybe?

The pics ads you posted look more like the design of those baby walkers, but I guess the ones in the pic have that piece where the baby's feet push up to bounce? Those I would not put a 6 wk. old baby in.

I think the story is fabricated anyways. The injuries may not perhaps have come from any baby in a chair. BUT I sure do find myself wanting to hear what the parents will say about what was normal in their household with the infants, and what type of baby chair they had, and their take on how competent NV was with the babies. Why did they feel comfortable to leave this out of town guest with little LK? Was NV creating an emergency and urging them out to the ER assuring them she'd care for LK? ​

 

[Kemug]

Are we talking perhaps about NV not just dropping the baby, but maybe forcibly throwing him headfirst at the floor?

 

[sunspun]

Are we talking perhaps about NV not just dropping the baby, but maybe forcibly throwing him headfirst at the floor?

Isn't that basically what she said she did? Maybe I'm mixing up cases.

 

[Kemug]

Isn't that basically what she said she did? Maybe I'm mixing up cases.

I really meant as hard as she could.