PA - infant Leon Katz murdered, twin injured, allegedly by babysitter, Pittsburgh- June 24, 2024 #2

[AnyNameIWish]

I envision the bouncer (maybe bassinet word used) to be something like this but again, highly unlikely an infant this age to fall out of it unless used incorrectly imo

And even IF I literally pushed it off a kitchen counter onto the kitchen floor? That is NOT going to cause the baby's death. Period. A few injuries, absolutely. But the injuries described of baby L? Nope. Not by a fall from a bouncy!

After reading that sole triblive article
(https:// triblive. com/local/i-heard-some-kind-of-crack-woman-admits-in-police-interrogation-video-to-killing-best-friends-baby )

about what NV's statements were after the incident, I am surprised no other news outlets are covering this at ALL. Not one content creator.

Affluenza may very well reign Supreme once again in this case.

 

[Kip]

IMO a bassinet would be near impossible for an infant this age to fall. Generally infant bassinets if any sort have solid surrounding mesh or some sort of something and are either not raised or raised quite a bit. Maybe adjustable to that height? But again without an equipment malfunction seems super unlikely to me unless propped up inappropriately

I envision the bouncer (maybe bassinet word used) to be something like this but again, highly unlikely an infant this age to fall out of it unless used incorrectly imo
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Infants generally learn to roll over at 4-7 months. IMO, it's extremely unlikely that a 6-week-old would fall out of one of those low, reclining baby seats. I had read a little about this case when it first happened. Just reading a little about it now, I wondered if it was possible that a parent or another person had injured the child, and then left him with the babysitter to cast blame on the babysitter. If that had happened, the babysitter might have noticed the child in distress and called 911, but then there would have been no need for a "story" about the baby falling.

 

[Arkay]

These babies were 6 months old. And according to this article, he fell from a bouncing chair (some places also say bassinet), 18 inches high.

They were actually six WEEKS old, not six months.

Even more helpless and less likely to be capable of wriggling out of a bouncy chair, and definitely not from a bassinet, which has sides.

They don’t have the strength or coordination at that age to affect much of anything.

And the doctors say the head injury was forceful. No six-week old could throw himself out of anywhere with any force.

An adult did this. The adult with them was NV. They were both fine until NV was alone with them.

For me the connecting the dots is clear that NV harmed both boys, with intent.

JMO and the facts that have been revealed.

 

[Curious Me]

...I envision the bouncer (maybe bassinet word used) to be something like this but again, highly unlikely an infant this age to fall out of it unless used incorrectly imo...

My question was more specific to whether infants that age should be put in a bouncy chair at all. That's what I was asking you. My concern is their neck muscles are still pretty wobbly at that age.

Thank You @TMich6811 for posting photos of possible ones considered baby chairs, one is called a Baby Rocker, so maybe different than a bouncer. Definitely bouncy chair designs have changed dramatically over the years, changed a lot since my kids were babies. If it's more like that Rocker maybe it'd be okay to use at 6 wks.

The term bassinet calls up images of a totally different apparatus in my memory, and apparently they remain close in design going by the term bassinet. ​

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ETA- I forgot to include this @TMich6811. This is a Jolly Jumper that's been around for 75 yrs., but at one time you hung it from a doorway. Recommended for babies 4-12 mos. and up to 28 lbs. IMO, whoever is caring for the child has something to do with how safe it is, leaving the room is not advised. ​

 

[TMich6811]

My question was more specific to whether infants that age should be put in a bouncy chair at all. That's what I was asking you. My concern is their neck muscles are still pretty wobbly at that age.

Thank You @TMich6811 for posting photos of possible ones considered baby chairs, one is called a Baby Rocker, so maybe different than a bouncer. Bouncy chair designs have changed dramatically over the years, changed a lot since my kids were babies. If it's more like that Rocker maybe it'd be okay to use at 6 wks.

The term bassinet calls up images of a totally different apparatus in my memory, and apparently they remain close in design going by the term bassinet. ​

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Definitely agree that bassinets are the same ol

I think bouncers can be termed based on person. All 3 of mine would have been in that type of bouncer as new borns but not a jumper, is this like you were thinking maybe?

 

[Curious Me]

...It’s unclear why she stated on the 911 call that the baby was in a bassinet while the complaint refers to a bouncer seat.

My guess would be she doesn't know much about babies, or their furniture names. She isn't a parent, but a full time student. I doubt she's spent a great deal of time caring for children, thankfully, or shopping for baby furniture. ​

 

[Curious Me]

I think bouncers can be termed based on person. All 3 of mine would have been in that type of bouncer as new borns but not a jumper, is this like you were thinking maybe?

The pics ads you posted look more like the design of those baby walkers, but I guess the ones in the pic have that piece where the baby's feet push up to bounce? Those I would not put a 6 wk. old baby in.

I think the story is fabricated anyways. The injuries may not perhaps have come from any baby in a chair. BUT I sure do find myself wanting to hear what the parents will say about what was normal in their household with the infants, and what type of baby chair they had, and their take on how competent NV was with the babies. Why did they feel comfortable to leave this out of town guest with little LK? Was NV creating an emergency and urging them out to the ER assuring them she'd care for LK? ​

 

[Kemug]

Are we talking perhaps about NV not just dropping the baby, but maybe forcibly throwing him headfirst at the floor?

 

[sunspun]

Are we talking perhaps about NV not just dropping the baby, but maybe forcibly throwing him headfirst at the floor?

Isn't that basically what she said she did? Maybe I'm mixing up cases.

 

[Kemug]

Isn't that basically what she said she did? Maybe I'm mixing up cases.

I really meant as hard as she could.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Are we talking perhaps about NV not just dropping the baby, but maybe forcibly throwing him headfirst at the floor?

From her now-contested admission.

While she thought she’d get to spend time with her friend, Virzi told detectives, “I kind of grew angry because I was being put to nanny work.

“Something about that built up a lot of anger in me.”

“So when I was alone with (Leon) I shook him a couple times — hard. And I dropped him a couple times — hard.”

Virzi said she also flipped the infant upside down on the bathroom tile floor. “I heard some kind of crack.”

“Something just came over me I couldn’t control,” Virzi said. “I’m telling you this because I can’t keep lying about it.”

Notice of Privacy

 

[AnyNameIWish]

I really meant as hard as she could.

This is nauseating but these are her own words on record by police. From the triblive.com article:

Trigger warning. It's horrifying. She moved over to the bathroom.... where there was tile flooring.

I'd like to know how admissible these statements are IF she mentioned wanting a lawyer at some point before she started talking more.

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"So when I was alone with (Leon) I shook him a couple times — hard. And I dropped him a couple times — hard.”

Virzi said she also flipped the infant upside down on the bathroom tile floor. “I heard some kind of crack.”

“Something just came over me I couldn’t control,” Virzi said. “I’m telling you this because I can’t keep lying about it.”

“I don’t want to hurt anyone any more,” Virzi said. “I know the best thing is for me to go away — or maybe worse.”

 

[Curious Me]

From her now-contested admission.

While she thought she’d get to spend time with her friend, Virzi told detectives, “I kind of grew angry because I was being put to nanny work.

“Something about that built up a lot of anger in me.”

“So when I was alone with (Leon) I shook him a couple times — hard. And I dropped him a couple times — hard.”

Virzi said she also flipped the infant upside down on the bathroom tile floor. “I heard some kind of crack.”

“Something just came over me I couldn’t control,” Virzi said. “I’m telling you this because I can’t keep lying about it.”

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This post is all MOO.
Her first statement makes me angry at her. What did she think the visit to her friend's would be like when she knew very well they just had TWINS only 6 wks. ago, and would not have time to amuse her. A nuisance that she visited and expected them to cater to her visit at that particular time.

The very fact that she took a trip to see them at that specific time is questionable, in light of her possible compulsion to hurt children. If those words came out of her mouth, she was aware of said compulsion, and rushed to go visit that family with the little defenseless babies. Why visit then? What is she complaining about being used for nanny work. She hadn't spent all that much time with them, and within a few days of her being there she was already feeling that kind of resentment, and rage to hurt the babies? Couldn't control it? What kind of excuse is that because she needs to realize that is not going to fly as a mental illness defense. What she described is bluntly said killing a baby. ​

 

[Kemug]

Oh wow. I hadn't heard the bathroom bit before. Or the shaking. I really don't believe she made a false confession - in her position surely any lying would be to make things sound better for her, not worse. I am starting to think that it's possible that she began planning this as soon as she heard sbout the pregnancy.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I'd like to know how admissible these statements are IF she mentioned wanting a lawyer at some point before she started talking more.

Around 8:30 a.m., Curtis told Virzi that investigators found cameras in the apartment.

“What’s on the cameras, Nicole?” Triolo asked. “What are we going to see?”

Virzi replied, “I want a lawyer.”

And questioning stopped.

Over the course of the next several hours, Triolo allowed Virzi to call her parents — a call that was on speaker and recorded as part of the interrogation video.

Triolo brought Virzi several bottles of water, coffee, pretzels and a protein bar.

At some point that afternoon, Virzi spoke to a defense attorney — off camera — for about 45 minutes.

Notice of Privacy

 

[kathleen harless]

Around 8:30 a.m., Curtis told Virzi that investigators found cameras in the apartment.

“What’s on the cameras, Nicole?” Triolo asked. “What are we going to see?”

Virzi replied, “I want a lawyer.”

And questioning stopped.

Over the course of the next several hours, Triolo allowed Virzi to call her parents — a call that was on speaker and recorded as part of the interrogation video.

Triolo brought Virzi several bottles of water, coffee, pretzels and a protein bar.

At some point that afternoon, Virzi spoke to a defense attorney — off camera — for about 45 minutes.

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How could anyone think of eating after what she had done?

 

[AnyNameIWish]

Around 8:30 a.m., Curtis told Virzi that investigators found cameras in the apartment.

“What’s on the cameras, Nicole?” Triolo asked. “What are we going to see?”

Virzi replied, “I want a lawyer.”

And questioning stopped.

Over the course of the next several hours, Triolo allowed Virzi to call her parents — a call that was on speaker and recorded as part of the interrogation video.

Triolo brought Virzi several bottles of water, coffee, pretzels and a protein bar.

At some point that afternoon, Virzi spoke to a defense attorney — off camera — for about 45 minutes.

Notice of Privacy

Soooooo... MOO but this seems incredibly odd that her statement made almost 10 hours later after she clearly invoked ends up being shared publicly in a triblive article??? There and only there is it even printed.

Is this by design, in order to give her the benefit of the doubt once trial begins? "The media was being so careless a& shared inadmissible statements made by my client".

 

[steeltowngirl]

Soooooo... MOO but this seems incredibly odd that her statement made almost 10 hours later after she clearly invoked ends up being shared publicly in a triblive article??? There and only there is it even printed.

Is this by design, in order to give her the benefit of the doubt once trial begins? "The media was being so careless a& shared inadmissible statements made by my client".

Interesting observation. If that was the goal, I may have unwittingly assisted the defense by posting quotes from the article.

JMO