Leonard Padilla and Tim Miller on Scared Monkey Radio - 10/10/08

[tekilla]

It would explain just about everything in regards to her spiral downward when she dropped out of school, the lying, the coddling by the family, the rumored break up of Mallory and Lee, and the family's behavior now. I haven't been able to think of anything to explain this family in a nutshell, but this revelation comes very close to explaining it all.

This would also explain the fact they seem to not have any family or friends for support. What better way to keep a secret than to stay away from everyone.

 

[Broderick]

Of course I'm assuming that's all he has. Since not one single person who has interviewed him and heard this statement has had the basic reporting skills to ask what information he has on which he bases that statement, that's all I have.

He might have gotten the information in a number of places or he might be merely speculating based on faulty knowledge of DNA. Who knows?

My point is somebody needs to get a little common sense and ask him where he got it from.

As far as lawsuits go, I assume you're talking about libel or slander. The Anthonys are public figures and you'd have to prove LP had a malicious intent and knew the information was false.

BTW, I'm not blaming LP for not clarifying this. I haven't seen anyone ask except NG the first time he said this and she gave him all of 20 seconds to respond.

I will tell you what, it boils me to no end that there is never followup. I would like more details from him, but he has seemingly been correct on many things following him.

I think you are treading into grey area with them being public figures. Ask the tabloids, they can't come out and say that kind of stuff without proof otherwise they get sued. They risk it for sales sometimes, but we have seen many "public" figures sue for this type of thing. Remember the case with Tom Cruise and the guy who came out and said he was gay? Tom won that case. There are many other examples.

 

[karen7868]

Does anyone know if it is true that Lee's girlfriend Mallory is pregnant?????:waitasec:

I have heard that she is they have broken up.

Was this a little more fuel to add to fire for KC since she seems to have jealousy issues?

 

[karen7868]

I remember. It was Amy who said that and I also remember other friends saying that Caylee "really took to men" or something of that nature.

Maybe Lee was the baby sitter. Gawd, who knows???

I believe it was Amy, not sure. But I do remember that TonE L. also made a statement that Caylee was very very friendly with the guys and KC's GGM seemed to be surprised that Caylee took up right away with GGF since it had been a while since she had seen him.

There is not telling what this poor baby was exposed to.

 

[Broderick]

Does anyone know if it is true that Lee's girlfriend Mallory is pregnant?????:waitasec:

I have heard that she is they have broken up.

Was this a little more fuel to add to fire for KC since she seems to have jealousy issues?

I heard she was pregnant. I have also heard it rumored that she has very recently broke it off. If both of those items are true, she would have good cause to break it off knowing or suspecting that the man you are with abused and impregnated his own sister. How could she not break it off? Seemingly the Anthony family has gotten quite quiet, Lee has not been seen much, and Cindy even accompanied her daughter to Baez's office the day before the motions. Like I said earlier, it doesn't explain Mr. Baez not wearing a wedding ring, but if they told him LA was the father that day it would explain his complete lack of preparation for the hearing. If they came clean to Baez it would be because Lee's DNA was subpoenaed recently, and the truth will get out eventually.

 

[babycat]

But how many of those people spell it this particular way?

I don't know that, but I personally know of one person who spells her daughter's name that way. And it's not uncommon for people to change name spellings to make them unique

Anyway, Stark stated that she saw in the interview where cindy admitted that naming caylee was her idea, so it's a moot point to me I'm convinced now.

 

[Broderick]

This would also explain the fact they seem to not have any family or friends for support. What better way to keep a secret than to stay away from everyone.

With shame and secrets at that level I would understand that is for sure.

 

[Can't Sleep]

Just another thought; remove all thoughts of incest, replace GA had a gambling problem which put house hold into serious financial straights. He said he would quit. Right after Caylee is born CA finds GA back to old tricks and says move, I can't support us and your habit.

When GA moves back in , he starts working PM because the money is better (shift differential). And there are fewer hours of day with no adult in the house.

LA is very angry with dad for financial problems and now for deserting family.
Even after C & G decide to get back together, LA hasn't gotten over being mad at dad, they were probably very close (L and G against C and KC) while LA was growing up. LA was (about) 22 when Caylee was born. A pretty
typical age for young people to move out.

Whatever problems KC has now, didn't happen overnite. She didn't plan on becoming pregnant, so she chose to ignore the situation. As long as she can deny, deny, deny she doesn't have to deal with what's coming next (a baby), 19 is kind of old for this behavior, 13 to 16 would be more common. Doesn't mean she was actively planning to toss baby at birth, these girls will go to the
hospital and deliver all the while deny being pregnant.

I'm not going to speculate on situation with birth father, there are too many plausible causes, ranging from KC really doesn't know (too many to choose from) to KC and CA actually know but he's not interested/doesn't know (married w\ kids).

I think this covers all your areas of concern and is easier on the brain.

Whew. Thanks. I just hate to think about the "I-word" even if it is more common that I want to believe. :crazy:

 

[karen7868]

IF LA is Caylee's father, I'm afraid the defense will use this in their favor. I have never thought KC was anything other than a cold blooded killer and "spiteful beeotch", as she so adequately described herself, but if this is the case, it sends my brain down a new path.

Even though I still think of her this way, I am now thinking to myself, if KC is a victim of incest, and if it was forced, the defense might indeed try and use the post traumatic distress. Studies have shown many incest victims are prone to promiscuity, prostitution, and a lot of other illegal and immoral habits.

IF it is shown LA is the father, and IF it was forced. I'm not saying it's an excuse for killing the baby, but Im saying Jose will use this to try and save KC's butt from the death penalty.

I agree. The only thing is, I hope the jurors remember that if this is what indeed happened, KC was 19 YEARS OLD and old enough to know right from wrong. And even still, how could she kill a baby and have no remorse.

Boy, this has really gotten me puzzled today.

 

[NancyT]

The more I think about this, the angrier I get at LP. Even if this is true, I don't think he should be on the talk shows putting it out there. If it's not true, I fully support a lawsuit aimed in his direction.

I can't stand this man. He calls himself the best bounty hunter in the nation, yet he thought Baez was going to allow him to speak with Casey? Please! If he was as good as he claimed, he'd have known no defense attorney would allow such a thing. His stupid statements of, she'll talk once she gets this that or the other done (I forget what exactly he said, but I recall a manicure being in there). I've been rolling my eyes at him since he first came on the scene and I continue to do so even today. If he was half as good as he claims, he wouldn't be nearly as gullible, or just downright, dishonest.

He's the man that stepped up to the plate to give housing to a convicted pedophile after he was released from prison in I believe it was, '06. :furious:

National Geographic ran from him so fast; that his head still has to be spinning, the 2nd he put himself in this spotlight. They also put out a statement so there was no confusion about their position.

I also found it absolutely pathetic that he offered a $50,000 reward for anyone leading HIM to Caylee's remains. He didn't say a reward that led to the remains. It had to be HIM in the spotlight. He then goes on to yank that reward, stating, no one can find Caylee's remains because she's in the landfill. Oh is that right? If that's so, why is he now saying Tim Miller will find the remains by the airport?

I'm about done with my rant, but he also ticks me off to no end when he says, "I'm old fashioned, I believe in....." He goes on to cite the FBI crime lab and the results from the body farm. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's not OLD FASHIONED. That's current technologies at work. Old fashioned would mean one doesn't put much weight on this type of scientific evidence and would lean more in favor of direct evidence (witness to crimes, etc...). He can't even get this right, IMO.

I'm just blown away by how many people listen and believe what he has to say. IF by chance Lee would happen to be Caylee's father (and I need more than LP's assurance cause that means NOTHING to me), I still think it's in VERY bad taste that LP would go on TV or a radio talk show and say it. He's every bit as repulsive as Casey, IMO.

 

[karen7868]

okay maybe I'm crazy, but didn't Rick (CA's brother) mention something about Cindy having another child? Maybe it is not LA's but someone else in the family is the father but LP assumes it is LA's b/c he is the logical choice.

The picture of the cute boy holding Caylee everyone was asking about ....I believe he is adopted and raised by his grandparents. Could he also be CA's child??? He has a profile online searching for his birth parents.

 

[Broderick]

I agree. The only thing is, I hope the jurors remember that if this is what indeed happened, KC was 19 YEARS OLD and old enough to know right from wrong. And even still, how could she kill a baby and have no remorse.

Boy, this has really gotten me puzzled today.

There is no excuse plausible for murder, but if the abuse was happening earlier and she dropped out of high school and then it culminated in her being pregnant it would a downward spiral that might get her off with mere manslaughter. I doubt an insanity defense will work, but I am sure Baez might try it.

 

[karen7868]

IF LA is the father and IF it was forced, I can't understand why KC would want to remain around LA. I would think she would want to keep as far away from him as possible.

I don't know. If this is the case, I feel pretty confident it would have been Casey being the seducer. She was already 19 years old. It wasn't
like she didn't know better.

 

[Boston]

I take what LP says with a grain of salt - actually even less than that!

If you go back & read all the Transcripts from the NG & Greta shows I don't know how anyone can take this man seriously -

Go way back...To the beginning, when LP first arrived on the scene - Makes for some interesting reading

Also, if you read The "Questions for Tony Padilla Thread" it's very obvious to me that both of these men have been ........Well,.........Less than 100% honest


All of the Above is my own personal opinion

 

[miimaa]

NancyT --- I thought KC said she would talk/help if she were let out of jail. So the Padilla's bailed her out and she refused to talk to them. Wasn't LP at the Anthony house and he said KC just stayed in the bedroom? Didn't tell him anything.

 

[NancyT]

NancyT --- I thought KC said she would talk/help if she were let out of jail. So the Padilla's bailed her out and she refused to talk to them. Wasn't LP at the Anthony house and he said KC just stayed in the bedroom? Didn't tell him anything.

It's not relevant. A good bounty hunter would know for a fact that no defense attorney worth his weight would EVER allow their client to talk to anyone else about a case.

LP claims to be the best. That's debatable by anyone's standard, but I think he's shown he's probably about the worst this nation has to offer.

 

[karen7868]

Doubtful. This family disputes the silliest things. Listen to Casey answer LE in her interview and she says uhuh and then gets combative about silly things. This accusation is far from silly and if true it tells us why Casey became what she is and also explains George, Cindy and Lee circling the wagon around her ferociously as they have likely done for several years now. When Casey says in a phone call, she almost threatens her mom when she said "you don't know what my involvement is?" Cindy backed off immediately. If that secret comes out, it will destroy the family secret and Baez can fight for an insanity plea based on abuse within the family or at least garner her sympathy in the jury pool on sentencing.

Ooohhhh, that line of the conversation "you don't know what my involvement is" stuck out to me right off the bat, and I haven't heard it mentioned until now.

Sounded to me like a little blackmail is going on.:waitasec:

 

[Can't Sleep]

The picture of the cute boy holding Caylee everyone was asking about ....I believe he is adopted and raised by his grandparents. Could he also be CA's child??? He has a profile online searching for his birth parents.

Links please?

 

[Macushla]

The more I think about this, the angrier I get at LP. Even if this is true, I don't think he should be on the talk shows putting it out there. If it's not true, I fully support a lawsuit aimed in his direction.

I can't stand this man. He calls himself the best bounty hunter in the nation, yet he thought Baez was going to allow him to speak with Casey? Please! If he was as good as he claimed, he'd have known no defense attorney would allow such a thing. His stupid statements of, she'll talk once she gets this that or the other done (I forget what exactly he said, but I recall a manicure being in there). I've been rolling my eyes at him since he first came on the scene and I continue to do so even today. If he was half as good as he claims, he wouldn't be nearly as gullible, or just downright, dishonest.

He's the man that stepped up to the plate to give housing to a convicted pedophile after he was released from prison in I believe it was, '06. :furious:

National Geographic ran from him so fast; that his head still has to be spinning, the 2nd he put himself in this spotlight. They also put out a statement so there was no confusion about their position.

I also found it absolutely pathetic that he offered a $50,000 reward for anyone leading HIM to Caylee's remains. He didn't say a reward that led to the remains. It had to be HIM in the spotlight. He then goes on to yank that reward, stating, no one can find Caylee's remains because she's in the landfill. Oh is that right? If that's so, why is he now saying Tim Miller will find the remains by the airport?

I'm about done with my rant, but he also ticks me off to no end when he says, "I'm old fashioned, I believe in....." He goes on to cite the FBI crime lab and the results from the body farm. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's not OLD FASHIONED. That's current technologies at work. Old fashioned would mean one doesn't put much weight on this type of scientific evidence and would lean more in favor of direct evidence (witness to crimes, etc...). He can't even get this right, IMO.

I'm just blown away by how many people listen and believe what he has to say. IF by chance Lee would happen to be Caylee's father (and I need more than LP's assurance cause that means NOTHING to me), I still think it's in VERY bad taste that LP would go on TV or a radio talk show and say it. He's every bit as repulsive as Casey, IMO.

Aside from the fact that I don't find him repulsive, just silly and a media spotlight junkie, I agree with your post!

 

[cleo612]

A couple things come to mind in regards to the possibility of LA having fathered little Caylee.

From all reports, CA and GA were obviously in the throes of some marital turmoil at the time of Caylee's birth--to the extent that one or both of them had filed for divorce. Most marriages don't deteriorate overnight, so it is likely that there had been some strain in the elder Anthonys' relationship for at least a couple of years.

Children of marriages that are disintegrating often turn to one another for moral and emotional support.

Siblings understand better than anyone outside of the home what the traumatic dynamics are of seeing their parents fighting constantly, not speaking to one another, name calling, throwing things, even physical abuse. Most children who endure this type of environment often become embarassed by their parents' behavior and often won't even tell their closest friends what is happening behind closed doors at home.

The Anthony children were likely taught all their lives that there are certain things that are not discussed outside the bounds of their home. It was ingrained in them, I am certain, from a very early age, that whatever happened within their home was not to be shared with anyone else. It is obvious that CA pretty much controls everything that occurs in that family--it is not out of the realm of possibility to think that she even tried to control what those children thought or believed in.

Reports have also indicated that KC was pretty much a loner in her younger teenaged years. She didn't really have any friends--no one she hung out with from school. It would be quite natural for her to turn to her older brother--her protector--for comfort while her parents worked to resolve their marital discord.

Children will often turn to each other for comfort and solace. They may sit in the dark crying and holding each other as their parents are fighting in the next room at night. They may share with each other their feelings about what is happening in their world. They may not have anyone else that they can trust--including their own parents. They are confused and feeling lonely, scared at the prospect of one of their parents possibly leaving the home, frightened by the fighting--so they turn to one another.

For this type of scenario to occur with the two Anthony children--young adults by this time--it is not too far-fetched to imagine that those comforting hugs could spark a surge in hormonal changes within their young bodies. Those hormonal urges may become too strong for them to overcome--even knowing that what they are feeling is wrong.

This comforting and protective bond that may have grown between KC and LA may have led to a pregnancy--and then the birth of Caylee. This would certainly explain their very close bond with each other. It would also explain the secretiveness surrounding the paternity of Caylee.

With CA controlling what is said outside the home, trying to maintain that public persona that everything is "hunky-dory" at home, the rest of the family agrees to keep the secret. This, however, creates so much stress that the already rocky marriage falls apart--as do the relationships between GA and his children.

I find it very interesting, from a psychological standpoint, that CA has made no public condemnations of this rumor--even when it was reported in the media. We all know that she closely follows what is being reported, so it is obvious that she is well aware that this type of discussion is being carried out in the public forum.

If this rumor were not true, I would expect CA to be blasting anyone and everyone who were to ever utter such a thing; yet, she has chosen to remain absolutely silent. She has not refuted nor denied the possibility that LA is indeed little Caylee's biological father, which could only mean that it had resulted from an incestuous relationship with KC--something that she would NEVER want as part of their familial image to portray.

CA's silence, more than anything else, speaks volumes to me.