Leonard Padilla and Tim Miller on Scared Monkey Radio - 10/10/08

[Seranade]

What I am finding so inconceivable about this entire argument is that every person who is saying that nobody should help sex-offenders, or anyone who helps a sex-offender is off my Christmas card list basically is not thinking this through to the grand finale' of that thought.

What SHOULD be done with them when the law says they are free to go?
Who SHOULD be responsible for keeping up with them and placing them in areas away from children?
Where SHOULD they live, and work and go to church?
and WHO DECIDES?

You and me as average citizens? Do we decide that the legal system is debunk and go and serve our own justice on these individuals?

I mean, if Leonard is so horrible, then tell me what WOULD have been acceptable to do with this individual and who SHOULD have done it?

The State should provide facilities and not leave it up to individuals. As it is, an apartment manager for instance should not be held accountable legally or morally for providing a residence to a pedophile, if they are registered and the residents are notified, but to actively go out and seek to provide shelter to a pedophile is repulsive.

 

[karenmamo]

And, as the link I already posted shows, provides housing for pedophiles.

Link please, Nancy?

I knew he had allowed some homeless folk to set up camp on some of his properties, but have never heard anything about a pedophile.

Link please?!!

 

[Black Magic Woman]

What I am finding so inconceivable about this entire argument is that every person who is saying that nobody should help sex-offenders, or anyone who helps a sex-offender is off my Christmas card list basically is not thinking this through to the grand finale' of that thought.

What SHOULD be done with them when the law says they are free to go?
Who SHOULD be responsible for keeping up with them and placing them in areas away from children?
Where SHOULD they live, and work and go to church?
and WHO DECIDES?

You and me as average citizens? Do we decide that the legal system is debunk and go and serve our own justice on these individuals?

I mean, if Leonard is so horrible, then tell me what WOULD have been acceptable to do with this individual and who SHOULD have done it?

The only question I have for you is: If this person had raped YOUR 9 year old son, what would you honestly want done with him?

 

[NancyT]

The laws of our land say that once a man has paid his debt to society to which he was sentenced then he is free to go. Sex-offenders are no exception, although, albeit, they should be, they are not. They do carry an additional "condition" that states that they must register as a sex offender and report job changes and residence changes immediately. Our legal system convicted this man, sentenced him and then "treated" him. As further insurance he will be wearing a satellite ankle monitor and will be living in a building with a guard where there are no children. I know that crimes against children are unjust and without understanding, but to say that this man should not have the protections afforded him by the legal system of our country implies that mob rule should be the rule of the day-where the vigilantes, and not the justice system make the decisions about what will happen to criminals. If THAT becomes the reality then our entire society will melt down into anarchy and there will be no protections for ANY of us, much less these dregs of society molesters. He was NOT sentenced to death, and he was NOT sentenced to life, so what DO you suppose we do with him?

He'll not be monitored the way you're insinuating that he will. He had to have all that you've outlined here (I assume, I read about half your post because I'm too far behind), but once an offender is released, has established their housing and has registered, the monitoring stops. At least this type of electronic monitoring does. He will have to continue to stay registered and if he violates his parole, he could go back to jail, but he'll not have anyone watching him once he's registered. This guy was released 2 years ago, too.

 

[msinformed]

The laws of our land say that once a man has paid his debt to society to which he was sentenced then he is free to go. Sex-offenders are no exception, although, albeit, they should be, they are not. They do carry an additional "condition" that states that they must register as a sex offender and report job changes and residence changes immediately. Our legal system convicted this man, sentenced him and then "treated" him. As further insurance he will be wearing a satellite ankle monitor and will be living in a building with a guard where there are no children. I know that crimes against children are unjust and without understanding, but to say that this man should not have the protections afforded him by the legal system of our country implies that mob rule should be the rule of the day-where the vigilantes, and not the justice system make the decisions about what will happen to criminals. If THAT becomes the reality then our entire society will melt down into anarchy and there will be no protections for ANY of us, much less these dregs of society molesters. He was NOT sentenced to death, and he was NOT sentenced to life, so what DO you suppose we do with him?

Excellent post, by an obviously well-informed poster.

It may not set well with people, however, that IS the system.

Just remember, for each "labeled" sexual offender, there are thousands out there, perhaps anyones' neighbor, who have never been "caught," therefore, they are "unknowns."

Again, great post, magic ........ hope it "sinks in" for some folks!

 

[magic-cat]

I am just saying that being labeled a pedophile does not necessarily mean violence against a child. The Catholic Church moves pedophiles from parish to parish with no rehabil8itation whatsoever. There's one who was placed in a parish in Turlock who was removed from another parish for molestation of boys. There are laws in CA where pedophiles can live and I mis-stated the nearness to a school of child-oriented location - it's a quart er mile away. When I lived in another state, there was one living in a house that backed up (no fence) to a school playground and nothing was done. They can also be forced to wear GPS ankle bracelets - (not the kind KC has), There are controls that can be used against them and 60 acres is a large parcel of land. The article did not say the trailer was adjacent to a community.

One of the articles stated that it was near a gated community and the residents objected.

 

[Charge Them All]

Well, we can be sued, too. You're right about that. I don't know about you, but I'm not tossing accusations out there about the Anthony family. I most certainly have and will continue to speculate, but it clear that I am stating an opinion. I can't be sued because someone doesn't like my opinion.

LP isn't stating this as his opinion and what he is saying can destroy a person's name. Oh, and if the Anthony's think he has money, all the better and more reason to sue him.

After the A's get the money from LP they can turn around and pass it to ZG. Maybe she will get something from them

 

[MaedchenX]

Respectfully, is this discussion about LP on topic for this thread? There is an awful lot to sort through here, maybe someone should start another thread to question LP and his motives-- if that is within TOS of course.

 

[Black Magic Woman]

I am not being liberal on this issue. I hate child molesters more than most and would dearly love to see every one of them burned alive. BUT

this is not about my own personal desires. This is about the country we reside in and the laws of that country. What all of you seem to be saying as far as I can tell is this:

Once they are released some vigilante should take it upon themselves to murder them? Is that what is being said and if not then what? Not one person has answered my questions. Everyone is so prepared to say what should NOT be done with them, will someone please step up and finish the thought and state what SHOULD be done with them? That is all I am asking...

OK, you asked for a solution. I say we either A. keep them in jail and pay the price for that. or B. create a completely seperate place for them to live where there are no children accessible to rape.

 

[magic-cat]

The State should provide facilities and not leave it up to individuals. As it is, an apartment manager for instance should not be held accountable legally or morally for providing a residence to a pedophile, if they are registered and the residents are notified, but to actively go out and seek to provide shelter to a pedophile is repulsive.

At THIS time and the time that Mr. Padilla offered to help this individual the state was NOT providing facilities, nor does the law as it now stands state that they should be mandated to facilities. I am asking, as the law NOW stands and with what we HAVE to work with, what should we do with these people? I personally would feel safer with someone like Leonard P. on the case than if he were just allowed to roam footloose...

And he was not going to "provide" shelter, he was going to be paid $750 monthly...

 

[chicoliving]

Closed for the time being for clean up. Do not start a second thread.

 

[Tricia]

The topic of paternity makes me very uncomfortable.

The accusation of LP is so explosive I can't believe he said it.

LP has always told the truth it seems. That's why I love him but this latest revelation makes me..uncomfortable...I said that already huh.. I can't imagine LP saying this without some proof. Would he be that wreckless? I can't imagine.

Let's try and keep this in the context of discussing what LP said. I don't want to start a thread on the paternity issue. It's just too much. Let's leave it on this thread under the heading of what LP said.

Does that make sense?..just do your best and be respectful.

Tricia