Letters to Casey from Cindy and George

page 2 line 3......http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5470183/Casey-Anthony-Rick-Plesea-Interview-(Uncle)

And Cindy was on her back trying to find out who this, who the father was when it wasn't Jesse.

page 29 line 3
Scott Bolin LE asks regarding CA.............What is her propensity for having the same characteristic regarding lying as her daughter?

page 29 line 20
Rick says... they keep secrets and stuff that don't go with the flow

page 32 line 10
Rick says....I guess Cindy didn't have any other, anbody else, and plus George was good with, with uh, with the baby.

page 33 line 6
Scott Bolin LE...would that be because uh Cindy considered herself a better caregiver than Casey, or did she consider Caylee like her daughter, or how would you describe that? Why do you think she'd want to do that?
page 33 line 14

Rick....but she wanted her daughter to start to you know, act like a normal daughter and you don't steal from family members. I mean that, that's just, that's disgusting. Stealing is disgusting????

page 36 line 22
Rick...........well she's probably afraid of uh, you know, that I might say something that, that uh, she don't think's appropriate or something.
 
IMO this is a very good analysis of George's WHY? WHY? WHY? letter.

Friday, June 25, 2010
George Anthony Letter to Casey Anthony 2010
.....seamusoriley.blogspot.......
http://***************************/2010/06/george-anthony-letter-to-casey-anthony.html

excerpt:
"We do not find a denial in the letter. Rather than a denial, we have the question "WHY" which leads us to ask: is he asking why did she disclose this? We must see if this is supported within the letter. There is one word that sticks out that tells me that George had been concerned for a long time; likely since the beginning, that this would come out. "

"Jose "delivered" the news, in Chaney's office. George is humiliated. One attorney delivers it in the other's office; both are in on his humiliation."

"It is likely that George and Casey had discussed this sensitive topic since Caylee's death and George now was asked 2 questions, personally, by the attorney which he questions why Casey would have such a thing delivered to him."

'"This may help the public understand why he has not visited "Gorgeous" for a long time. There is no denial. Ask yourself: if you had been accused, falsely, of molestation, what would you say? Would you ask why?
Most people agree: they would say, plainly, and with no need of emphasis:
I didn't do it."

_________________________________________________________

I have read posters guessing before that JB would have browbeaten George into not deny Casy’s accusations because he would be calling her a liar. However, George could have easily denied the accusations without calling her a liar.

For one thing – her ‘accusations’ about George are very mild

She claimed that her father “may” have abused her. She claims that memories are coming back to her now and she is beginning to realize that her father may also have come into her bedroom at night to molest her when she was very young.

George could have easily gone on GMA and said that he never abused or molested his daughter – that he often came to her bedroom at night when she as young, like any good father, to check she was safe and well. And that in the the horrible confines of her jail cell for 2 years without being in any contact with her family may have her remembering waking up at night with him hovering over her and made it in to something it wasn’t. Thus, the states refusal to let them visit and talk it out and clear the air is cruel and unusual punishment etc.

He could have easily written the same to Casey in jail, but he did not.

He could easily have denied it without making things worse for KC (as if they could be much worse).

I never put much stock in the possibility of an incestuous relationship between George and KC – until I read the letters he sent to her in prison. But after reading them, I am sure there was at least emotional incest on his part.

He always refers to her as in physical terms, Gorgeous and Beautiful, he is much more concerned about her physically then mentally. He sounds much more like a man writing his lover then his daughter.

He states, “I love you, I need us, and I need to see you “ (yes, he even underlines it)

In the letter where he does not deny a relationship – he makes the very telling slip –
“I have tried, sacrificed, continued to have you”

After reading his letters – I went back and looked at the jail visit videos, and they are the same, his same sick flattery and always referring to her looks, and I am convinced there is something horribly sexually wrong about the way he views his daughter.
_________________________________________________________________


I soo get what both of you are saying.

Don't get me wrong, I would NOT be surprised to learn that KC had lied about GA (&LA) as far as the accusations she's made. However, I also have run across things that have seemed "off" to me.

I started watching the jail visitation video's again and in this first one, CA is asking about KC talking to a pyschologist. This is not verbatim but darn close.:

CA: Have you spoken with a psychologist yet?
KC: Everyday. That's who I was talking to when you saw me sitting at the table.
CA: Are you able to freely speak with her or is it recorded?
KC: No, it's not recorded.
CA Do you feel that you can open up to her?
KC: No.
CA: Ok, understood.
KC: We've talked about how I feel about things but I'm not opening up to someone I don't know. The only person that I have would be Jose- I mean, for obvious reasons- he's someone I know I need to trust. That I've started to trust.


Around the 8:00 mark
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206256/index.html

What bothers me with the above conversation is that is seems like CA only wants to know if KC is spilling the beans. Once she hears that KC says no she isn't opening up to her, she leaves it at "ok, understood". Why doesn't she instead encourage KC to open up, so that maybe they can get to the bottom of what happened to Caylee??? IDK.....it just sounds so fishy to me.

_______________________________________________________

Now we have part 2 of the same visitation, and it starts out with GA telling KC that the longer this goes on, other stuff could come out. WTH!!? What other stuff is he afraid of surfacing?? Why is it "very critical" to get KC out before this additional stuffs hits everyone?? And what is up with "if I could get you out right now I would, but I want Caylee back too" He wants Caylee back too? too? Shouldn't getting Caylee back be foremost on his agenda? IDK....to me this is just so weird, so fishy. Something is not on the up and up here. I don't know what....but something. Again not verbatim but darn close.

GA: the longer this drags on, there's gonna be maybe additional things that might hit everyone and I don't want to get into that with you but - it's getting very critical - we gotta get you out of here. If I could get you out of here right now I would, but we gotta get Caylee back too.............I want to take away your pain.........

http://www.wftv.com/video/18206653/index.html
Starts at very beginning.


Then in this video GA is talking about Caylee's personality. He says that she has an excitable personality. Now, I don't have a link, but I am positive I remember GA talking with, either LE or FBI and he describes KC's personality as "exciting". Does anyone else remember this and know where the link to it is? I reacted with a shiver the first time I heard him say that and it gives me an "EW" shiver hearing him speak of Caylee like that. I am not making any accusations, b/c KC is such an accomplished liar, but I am saying that it struck me as creepy to hear GA describe KC that way, and to hear him describe Caylee that way. And I first heard that way b/f any letters surfaced. It just isn't an adjective that I would use as a parent or grand parent to describe my child or grand child of the opposite sex. KWIM???

Around the 23:00 mark
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.htm


Honestly I don't know that I can say that I believe either way, he did or he didn't, IDK. But I can say that something feels "warped" in the father/daughter relationship.


And they all seem to be a little delusional where KC is concerned don't they?
Because GA in the bottom video around the 24;20 mark, he starts talking about how KC got alot of CA's good traits and maybe from him is where KC got the being consumed about making sure your car runs. WHAT?? Did he really just say that? To the girl who doesn't even stop to put gas in her car??? GEESH!

Around 24:20
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html


:cow:
 
One of the things that I have noticed with Casey is that she is very vain. My thought on the beautiful that her parents so freely tell her is that without something about her good looks thrown into the mix she would simply tune them out. The best way to make sure that Casey is paying attention to what you are saying, to keep on her "good side", is to tell her what she wants to hear.

I don't for one second believe that George or Lee did anything to Casey. They may be alot of things and strange but I can't see them going that far.

MOO
Tori'sMom, I would agree with this interpretation if George then didn't go on to tell his daughter that she was gaining weight and should find a way to eat better and exercise (not an exact quote- going by memory)?! THAT is what shows me how George thinks and what he finds important- his daughter staying thin... her physicality and attractiveness?! WTH? That would be any normal persons last worry in a situation like this. MOO!

ETA- This says a great deal to me, coming from a family where incest was prevalent and eating disorders were rampant and encouraged- got to stay thin... have to be beautiful to the opposite sex- at ANY cost!
 
Tori'sMom, I would agree with this interpretation if George then didn't go on to tell his daughter that she was gaining weight and should find a way to eat better and exercise (not an exact quote- going by memory)?! THAT is what shows me how George thinks and what he finds important- his daughter staying thin... her physicality and attractiveness?! WTH? That would be any normal persons last worry in a situation like this. MOO!

ETA- This says a great deal to me, coming from a family where incest was prevalent and eating disorders were rampant and encouraged- got to stay thin... have to be beautiful to the opposite sex- at ANY cost!

BBM
Thank you for sharing your personal reaction to the topic. It is a sensitive issue and your input is appreciated and respected. On that note......one of AL's FB friends is an "Eating Disorder Survivor". I hesitate to link info here as she has not been named as an expert or team member......but I find her FB relationship with AL interesting.

I can't help but wonder if "eating disorders" will play a role in mitigation. We have certainly seen quite a few references to KC and food, eating, and diet from the A family.
 
I just read my daughter the " I need to see you, I need us etc" quote from George. I didnt tell who it was to or from. I asked her if she read it, who would she assume its from & to whom. She said " a boyfriend to a girlfriend or girlfriend to a boyfriend." I then told her it was GA letter to his daughter. Also, if you were to find just those words on a piece of paper in your spouse's wallet, what would you assume? I would NEVER think in a million years it was from my husband to his daughter. I don't know if he molested her but I think there is some sort of sick relationship, maybe him walking into the bathroom one to many times as she got out of the shower & her not really minding, or her coming out of her room naked & being "shocked" he was home...something isnt right.
 
I read that sentence the same way................. "I have tried, sacrificed, continuted to love you" and I've gone back and studied GA's handwriting, and I'm pretty sure that word is "Love" not "have."

Yes, it is LOVE...if you look in that same letter at his 'h's and his L in Lee, it's definately an L.

I guess that makes it a little less creepy. LOL
 
George says to KC:When you get a chance, just look when you go outside and remember how caylee LOVED the moon, the stars & the sky and say a prayer. DATED NOV 4 2008

Another "Fall right out of your da#@ chair" moment.....brought to you by GA.....

Sorry if this has been mentioned in this thread already, and I truly hope I am reading too much into this.......but

I failed to see GA denying the molestation accusations in his letter to KC, he doesn't ask her why she "lied" only his question as to why she had to destroy them all.....

My personal experience with incest and molestation is that the threat of "destroying" my family was what my perp used to keep me quiet. It worked my entire life. So I can see why I would read more into this than was perhaps there. But I think it the multitude of personal experiences that we at WS have that allows us to see beyond certain things. Again, I hope I am wrong about this and that it is just one more of KC's lies. I guess that is the ultimate in the girl who cried "wolf"....if she is telling the truth, who is going to listen now? FWIT.......
 
Yes, it is LOVE...if you look in that same letter at his 'h's and his L in Lee, it's definately an L.

I guess that makes it a little less creepy. LOL

ROTFL!!!!! Much needed lightheartedness after my heavy post....

BTW....did anyone else think GA's letters were CA's at first and vice versa? talk about handwriting being revealing!
 
Okay, I have a "Threadache"

Definition: Threadache

When I click on a thread thinking I have a very relevant point to post....then realize that if I would have read the entire thread I would have seen that my point had been made multiple times, and my point was made much more eloquently than I could have ever done.....

this thread has given me a threadache for sure....
 
GA not coming to court may be to keep reporters from asking him about KC's allegations. That way he is not pressured to deny them and pretty much call KC out as a liar. I can see him being upset with her for what she has said because his son is also involved. It would be interesting if Robin remembers why KC had written about that matter in her letters and whether or not it was in response to something Robin had written. I do not think if CA believed something was happening to KC she would have ever let those two men anywhere near Caylee.

What I see with GA's correspondence with KC is a man desperate to get some information from his daughter about what happened with his granddaughter and whether or not it was "an accident that snowballed out of control." He wants her to confirm that so he feels better about his support of her...... GA does not want KC to be the monster he really thinks she is..... jmo
 
Okay, I have a "Threadache"

Definition: Threadache

When I click on a thread thinking I have a very relevant point to post....then realize that if I would have read the entire thread I would have seen that my point had been made multiple times, and my point was made much more eloquently than I could have ever done.....

this thread has given me a threadache for sure....

It's okay now Gma Kat....not all of us read the whole thread. ;)
 
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Okay, I have a "Threadache"

Definition: Threadache

When I click on a thread thinking I have a very relevant point to post....then realize that if I would have read the entire thread I would have seen that my point had been made multiple times, and my point was made much more eloquently than I could have ever done.....

this thread has given me a threadache for sure....
See, I knew if I waited long enough someone else would post my thoughts, as they normally do. Now, have ya ever thought or talked back to the tread while so engrossed in it, either laugh out loud, or " ooh no she didn't"' " yep, that's a fact".

Thank you so much for the "thread ache" definition, :waitasec: I so needed to know what the Advil was for, and now I know. kudos for it.
 
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o4YsgbNSSs[/ame]

I still want to know what if any investigation may go on as to Baez scanning letters into his computer to read, or bringing them to read to Casey. It was Baez, all the way that didn't want the visits. So when he stands in court and tells the judge how unfair it is that she cannot see mom and pop, I am just in shock. How does he get by with this? Is this what he didn't want the video taping of his visits to go on, because he would be seen handing her cards and letters? Could the judge ask to review the tapes, or is that just too too small of a fish for the judge to waste time fishing for?
It just reminds me of the defense asking for the judge to step aside ..yet they do all of these things that are outside of the rules.
It is kind of interesting to me that she has these parents that never made her play by rules, and now she has a lawyer, Jose, that also wants her to have special treatment.
I just don't picture Cheney Mason smuggling in crossword puzzles and letters from her parents, do you? A lot of you have made mention of the seemingly inappropriate compliments George gives Casey. I watched a couple of the old jailhouse visits and I notice it is not just George that has those little pet names for her, Cindy does too, Lee does and even Jose when handing her a tissue at defense table said, "Here you go sweetie." It takes some of the seriousness out of it , knowing that apparently everyone refers to her this way. I wonder if that Why letter is the last one he has written.
With the trial being a year away, I assume we will see more in a future document dump. If George never writes another, that will tell me he is finally on Caylee's side and will tell the whole truth at the murder trial. A girl can hope, right?
 
I went back and looked a George's letter, and it still looks a lot closer to 'have' then 'love' to me. Nevertheless, even if it is 'love' in that sentence, doesn't it sound much closer to a man writing to his love then his daughter? For one thing a father wound not normally make the point that they continued to love there daughter. Normally the continuation of a parents love is a given.

In my post I made no mentioned that I believed KC statements, I didn't put any stock in them at the time and am still completely unsure if they are true or not. I do find it a bit ridiculous that some people believe that just because KC is pathological liar, that not only can't you be sure of whether she is telling the truth, they also seem to believe that everything she said must be a lie.

George is also a known liar from his statement he has made since Caylee’s death, thus even if he had denied KC molestation accusations, I, after reading his letters and re-listening to the way he talks to her, would still believe he has an unnatural sexually sordid relationship with daughter.

I have no idea if these emotions were ever physically acted out. However, from the sexualized way KC expresses herself, I would find not find it hard to believe she encourages it.

It also seems strange to me that people believe that George would throw himself under the bus for KC and let her accuse him of a horrible crime because she might fined it useful in mediation.

For, as we know George is not the self-sacrificing type. He has never stood up for Caylee; the one person he said he loved more then anyone. He also has more oftener robbed from, then contributed to, the family coffers; and he was off running after River C when he was suppose to be manning the contribution booths within a couple of weeks of Caylee disappearance. George is not the type to take it on the chin for anyone.

MY BOLD

Really? While he does compliment her and, to me, appears to be trying to bolster her self esteem, I have not seen, read or heard anything from George to KC that even hints of any kind of sexual impropriety.

As always, this is MOO.
 
ROTFL!!!!! Much needed lightheartedness after my heavy post....

BTW....did anyone else think GA's letters were CA's at first and vice versa? talk about handwriting being revealing!

Yup - George writes like a girl.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o4YsgbNSSs

I still want to know what if any investigation may go on as to Baez scanning letters into his computer to read, or bringing them to read to Casey. It was Baez, all the way that didn't want the visits. So when he stands in court and tells the judge how unfair it is that she cannot see mom and pop, I am just in shock. How does he get by with this? Is this what he didn't want the video taping of his visits to go on, because he would be seen handing her cards and letters? Could the judge ask to review the tapes, or is that just too too small of a fish for the judge to waste time fishing for?
It just reminds me of the defense asking for the judge to step aside ..yet they do all of these things that are outside of the rules.
It is kind of interesting to me that she has these parents that never made her play by rules, and now she has a lawyer, Jose, that also wants her to have special treatment.
I just don't picture Cheney Mason smuggling in crossword puzzles and letters from her parents, do you? A lot of you have made mention of the seemingly inappropriate compliments George gives Casey. I watched a couple of the old jailhouse visits and I notice it is not just George that has those little pet names for her, Cindy does too, Lee does and even Jose when handing her a tissue at defense table said, "Here you go sweetie." It takes some of the seriousness out of it , knowing that apparently everyone refers to her this way. I wonder if that Why letter is the last one he has written.
With the trial being a year away, I assume we will see more in a future document dump. If George never writes another, that will tell me he is finally on Caylee's side and will tell the whole truth at the murder trial. A girl can hope, right?


Above BBM

Oh TWA......What a comfort!...... to know that I am not alone feeling incredulous after JB says the most inane things about KC and her plight!! It's good to have friends....lol...:0).
 
Hi,

Can you tell me where I can find that statement by Shirley. Thanks so much.

March 20, 2009 docs were released to the public, including Shirley P's Interview
Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee

http://www.wftv.com/blank/18974289/detail.html
page 35

ShirleyPleseastmtKChatedCindymoreth.jpg
 
Has anyone transcribed the Why letter from GA to ICA? The last time I downdloaded something I got a virus that destroyed my hard drive, just got a new lap top and am afraid to download anything.

Thanks
 

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