Letters to Casey from Cindy and George

[LinasK]

Bolded by me. What planet are they living on or what drugs are they on, and can I have some!? LOL. Law school...for someone who didn't graduate high school...um, okaaaay....

These people are delusional and in need of psychiatric help, ASAP

And don't forget... a convicted felon to boot. I don't think any state's Bar Association would even admit her, even if she was able to graduate law school!

 

[CuriousTwo]

And don't forget... a convicted felon to boot. I don't think any state's Bar Association would even admit her, even if she was able to graduate law school!

I really think CA's passive aggressiveness was showing when she said that - she knew it was ridiculous and unrealistic ... but by saying it in such a way that could be perceived as being supportive, she's really just "zinging" ICA ... just rubbing it in that ICA has no future.
More mind games!

 

[ThinkTank]

IMO this is a very good analysis of George's WHY? WHY? WHY? letter.

Friday, June 25, 2010
George Anthony Letter to Casey Anthony 2010
.....seamusoriley.blogspot.......
http://***************************/2010/06/george-anthony-letter-to-casey-anthony.html

excerpt:
"We do not find a denial in the letter. Rather than a denial, we have the question "WHY" which leads us to ask: is he asking why did she disclose this? We must see if this is supported within the letter. There is one word that sticks out that tells me that George had been concerned for a long time; likely since the beginning, that this would come out. "

"Jose "delivered" the news, in Chaney's office. George is humiliated. One attorney delivers it in the other's office; both are in on his humiliation."

"It is likely that George and Casey had discussed this sensitive topic since Caylee's death and George now was asked 2 questions, personally, by the attorney which he questions why Casey would have such a thing delivered to him."

'"This may help the public understand why he has not visited "Gorgeous" for a long time. There is no denial. Ask yourself: if you had been accused, falsely, of molestation, what would you say? Would you ask why?
Most people agree: they would say, plainly, and with no need of emphasis:
I didn't do it."

 

[I Din Doot]

IMO this is a very good analysis of George's WHY? WHY? WHY? letter.

Friday, June 25, 2010
George Anthony Letter to Casey Anthony 2010
.....seamusoriley.blogspot.......
http://***************************/2010/06/george-anthony-letter-to-casey-anthony.html

excerpt:
"We do not find a denial in the letter. Rather than a denial, we have the question "WHY" which leads us to ask: is he asking why did she disclose this? We must see if this is supported within the letter. There is one word that sticks out that tells me that George had been concerned for a long time; likely since the beginning, that this would come out. "

"Jose "delivered" the news, in Chaney's office. George is humiliated. One attorney delivers it in the other's office; both are in on his humiliation."

"It is likely that George and Casey had discussed this sensitive topic since Caylee's death and George now was asked 2 questions, personally, by the attorney which he questions why Casey would have such a thing delivered to him."

'"This may help the public understand why he has not visited "Gorgeous" for a long time. There is no denial. Ask yourself: if you had been accused, falsely, of molestation, what would you say? Would you ask why?
Most people agree: they would say, plainly, and with no need of emphasis:
I didn't do it."

I Din Doot !!!! :dance:

 

[I Din Doot]

And don't forget... a convicted felon to boot. I don't think any state's Bar Association would even admit her, even if she was able to graduate law school!

Don't forget JB had some problems with LE as well ! There is a thresd about his bar exams and problems with family court/integrity.

 

[LambChop]

IMO this is a very good analysis of George's WHY? WHY? WHY? letter.

Friday, June 25, 2010
George Anthony Letter to Casey Anthony 2010
.....seamusoriley.blogspot.......
http://***************************/2010/06/george-anthony-letter-to-casey-anthony.html

excerpt:
"We do not find a denial in the letter. Rather than a denial, we have the question "WHY" which leads us to ask: is he asking why did she disclose this? We must see if this is supported within the letter. There is one word that sticks out that tells me that George had been concerned for a long time; likely since the beginning, that this would come out. "

"Jose "delivered" the news, in Chaney's office. George is humiliated. One attorney delivers it in the other's office; both are in on his humiliation."

"It is likely that George and Casey had discussed this sensitive topic since Caylee's death and George now was asked 2 questions, personally, by the attorney which he questions why Casey would have such a thing delivered to him."

'"This may help the public understand why he has not visited "Gorgeous" for a long time. There is no denial. Ask yourself: if you had been accused, falsely, of molestation, what would you say? Would you ask why?
Most people agree: they would say, plainly, and with no need of emphasis:
I didn't do it."

What if the reason they asked him to come to their offices instead of them going to BC's was to ask GA not to reply or deny the allegations because it would look bad for KC? This seems more like what happened. Why would JB tell him personally when they could have gone through BC unless JB wanted to warn GA that any response denying that KC was telling the truth by her parents would not go in KC's favor. CA would have denied it on GMA but she did not. They are still in coverup mode. The only way GA can show KC he is not happy is to not show up in court. Obviously BC had no problems denying it but he does not represent KC does he? jmo

 

[kushka]

What if the reason they asked him to come to their offices instead of them going to BC's was to ask GA not to reply or deny the allegations because it would look bad for KC? This seems more like what happened. Why would JB tell him personally when they could have gone through BC unless JB wanted to warn GA that any response denying that KC was telling the truth by her parents would not go in KC's favor. CA would have denied it on GMA but she did not. They are still in coverup mode. The only way GA can show KC he is not happy is to not show up in court. Obviously BC had no problems denying it but he does not represent KC does he? jmo

I have read posters guessing before that JB would have browbeaten George into not deny Casy’s accusations because he would be calling her a liar. However, George could have easily denied the accusations without calling her a liar.

For one thing – her ‘accusations’ about George are very mild

She claimed that her father “may” have abused her. She claims that memories are coming back to her now and she is beginning to realize that her father may also have come into her bedroom at night to molest her when she was very young.

George could have easily gone on GMA and said that he never abused or molested his daughter – that he often came to her bedroom at night when she as young, like any good father, to check she was safe and well. And that in the the horrible confines of her jail cell for 2 years without being in any contact with her family may have her remembering waking up at night with him hovering over her and made it in to something it wasn’t. Thus, the states refusal to let them visit and talk it out and clear the air is cruel and unusual punishment etc.

He could have easily written the same to Casey in jail, but he did not.

He could easily have denied it without making things worse for KC (as if they could be much worse).

I never put much stock in the possibility of an incestuous relationship between George and KC – until I read the letters he sent to her in prison. But after reading them, I am sure there was at least emotional incest on his part.

He always refers to her as in physical terms, Gorgeous and Beautiful, he is much more concerned about her physically then mentally. He sounds much more like a man writing his lover then his daughter.

He states, “I love you, I need us, and I need to see you “ (yes, he even underlines it)

In the letter where he does not deny a relationship – he makes the very telling slip –
“I have tried, sacrificed, continued to have you”

After reading his letters – I went back and looked at the jail visit videos, and they are the same, his same sick flattery and always referring to her looks, and I am convinced there is something horribly sexually wrong about the way he views his daughter.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I have no idea if there was any incestuous (mental or physical) relationship between George and Casey. There are only two people who will ever know if this is fact or fiction and both of those people are proven liars. . . So we'll probably never know for sure.

As unhealthy as their relationship appears, it seems weak to base an opinion on something that is not said ~ "He didn't say he didn't do it." Seems like over grasping, skipping a logical step or over speculative to me. moo

 

[beach]

I never put much stock in the possibility of an incestuous relationship between George and KC – until I read the letters he sent to her in prison. But after reading them, I am sure there was at least emotional incest on his part.

He always refers to her as in physical terms, Gorgeous and Beautiful, he is much more concerned about her physically then mentally. He sounds much more like a man writing his lover then his daughter.

He states, “I love you, I need us, and I need to see you “ (yes, he even underlines it)

In the letter where he does not deny a relationship – he makes the very telling slip –
“I have tried, sacrificed, continued to have you”

After reading his letters – I went back and looked at the jail visit videos, and they are the same, his same sick flattery and always referring to her looks, and I am convinced there is something horribly sexually wrong about the way he views his daughter.

--respectfully snipped & BBM

I read that as "I have tried, sacrificed, continuted to love you"

George's "Why?" letter


Casey is like the girl who has cried "wolf' so many times I just have a hard time making the leap to believing the accusations. This is proof I don't believe a single word that rolls off of her tongue. I can see why others may question it, but I just don't believe a word she says. I see it more as another story...more drama...just the narcissist she is - always the victim. According to her own words, she can excuse Zanny for kidnapping and murdering (?) Caylee and doesn't blame her for not wanting to 'show her face', but feels it is a good time for a confessional about George and Lee? :waitasec:

The only thing that adds up for me is that it sets up a good mitigating factor. That is why I think George was vague in his letter. I think he was probably furious when he left the meeting with JB & CM. I believe they both encouraged George to not personally deny it to the media. GA has always been the one more apt to hold Casey's feet to the fire....well, until Cindy could put a stop to it. I don't think Cindy knew he sent that letter. It had a handwritten return address, unlike every other letter sent by George or Cindy. I think George was mad as hell and couldn't NOT say anything. Cindy would have hit the roof if she knew so he didn't warn her, he just wrote it and mailed it. I think he tried to word it very carefully and was vague on purpose. What I wonder is when Cindy found out....was it the same time WE did?

 

[I Din Doot]

Beach - I totally agree with your interpretation of "Anthonese".

Don't you find it interesting that they invent words and syntax that the rest of the world must struggle to decode? I think thats a deep part of the mystery of what made KC the way she is. She is a product of this cult genetically,subconsciously, UNFORTUNATELY.

 

[sleutherontheside]

Excerpts from a November 3, 2009 letter from GA to KC.

I am sorry about alot of things in my life.

I just want to be a better me.

I just told your mom I hate this life. Mom wants to know what I mean. I just don't know what to say, how to act anymore.

I do not beg enough in my life but I need to see you to talk to you if even for a minute. Please make that happen. We need to schedule time for you and I.

Need to look in your beautiful eyes if only for a minute.

So what might people say people talk about? You are my daughter I am your father enough said.

Found at http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/index.html Need to go back and find page number in my notes...but I do know the letter was dated 11/3/09.

 

[okiedokietoo]

I don't buy any of it. I believe that all of the letters, these and the letters to other inmate, are a defense ploy. I really can't see the Anthony's being caught off guard after all their talk about how they can't visit because it would be released to the public and how JB has gone OT in court about how KC

“She can't order a bra without it becoming public"
(quoted from article)
http://www.wftv.com/news/24114206/detail.html

AL
Casey’s attorneys say, more importantly, their conversations with their client are compromised when security cameras are on them inside the jail.
“It tends to make our conversations circumscribed because of the feeling that, perhaps we're being listened to, and this is a particularly egregious situation considering the state is trying to kill our client,” Lyon said.
http://www.wftv.com/news/21924120/detail.html

Jose Baez, Anthony's lead attorney, did not object to the release of the letters because he said there was nothing incriminating in them.
http://www.wesh.com/news/23064066/detail.html

IMO all of it is a plan, including GA not showing up for court. He hasn't denied the accusation, he just doesn't show his face, so "he must be mad". Or is he just doing what he has done ever since he walked out of the building after talking to the FBI - CCA (cover KC's ---)

 

[beach]

Excerpts from a November 3, 2009 letter from GA to KC.

I am sorry about alot of things in my life.

I just want to be a better me.

I just told your mom I hate this life. Mom wants to know what I mean. I just don't know what to say, how to act anymore.

I do not beg enough in my life but I need to see you to talk to you if even for a minute. Please make that happen. We need to schedule time for you and I.

Need to look in your beautiful eyes if only for a minute.

So what might people say people talk about? You are my daughter I am your father enough said.

Found at http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/index.html Need to go back and find page number in my notes...but I do know the letter was dated 11/3/09.

Like I said, I can certainly see why others find the accusations plausible and I am not saying it is impossible. I just can't make the leap. Plus, she throws Lee into the mix. I agree they are creepy, especially this particular letter. Not anything I would expect from a normal father to a daughter. Then again, I haven't seen evidence of normality period in this family dynamic.

 

[kushka]

--respectfully snipped & BBM

I read that as "I have tried, sacrificed, continuted to love you"

George's "Why?" letter


Casey is like the girl who has cried "wolf' so many times I just have a hard time making the leap to believing the accusations. This is proof I don't believe a single word that rolls off of her tongue. I can see why others may question it, but I just don't believe a word she says. I see it more as another story...more drama...just the narcissist she is - always the victim. According to her own words, she can excuse Zanny for kidnapping and murdering (?) Caylee and doesn't blame her for not wanting to 'show her face', but feels it is a good time for a confessional about George and Lee? :waitasec:

The only thing that adds up for me is that it sets up a good mitigating factor. That is why I think George was vague in his letter. I think he was probably furious when he left the meeting with JB & CM. I believe they both encouraged George to not personally deny it to the media. GA has always been the one more apt to hold Casey's feet to the fire....well, until Cindy could put a stop to it. I don't think Cindy knew he sent that letter. It had a handwritten return address, unlike every other letter sent by George or Cindy. I think George was mad as hell and couldn't NOT say anything. Cindy would have hit the roof if she knew so he didn't warn her, he just wrote it and mailed it. I think he tried to word it very carefully and was vague on purpose. What I wonder is when Cindy found out....was it the same time WE did?

I went back and looked a George's letter, and it still looks a lot closer to 'have' then 'love' to me. Nevertheless, even if it is 'love' in that sentence, doesn't it sound much closer to a man writing to his love then his daughter? For one thing a father wound not normally make the point that they continued to love there daughter. Normally the continuation of a parents love is a given.

In my post I made no mentioned that I believed KC statements, I didn't put any stock in them at the time and am still completely unsure if they are true or not. I do find it a bit ridiculous that some people believe that just because KC is pathological liar, that not only can't you be sure of whether she is telling the truth, they also seem to believe that everything she said must be a lie.

George is also a known liar from his statement he has made since Caylee’s death, thus even if he had denied KC molestation accusations, I, after reading his letters and re-listening to the way he talks to her, would still believe he has an unnatural sexually sordid relationship with daughter.

I have no idea if these emotions were ever physically acted out. However, from the sexualized way KC expresses herself, I would find not find it hard to believe she encourages it.

It also seems strange to me that people believe that George would throw himself under the bus for KC and let her accuse him of a horrible crime because she might fined it useful in mediation.

For, as we know George is not the self-sacrificing type. He has never stood up for Caylee; the one person he said he loved more then anyone. He also has more oftener robbed from, then contributed to, the family coffers; and he was off running after River C when he was suppose to be manning the contribution booths within a couple of weeks of Caylee disappearance. George is not the type to take it on the chin for anyone.

 

[The World According]

So is Casey saying she exposed her daughter to two child molesters? Come on. My heart breaks for anyone that has been a victim of incest. That actually makes it even more offensive if she is making this up, just because Robin was sharing her story with her about her own abuse.

IMO


Casey has told so very many lies, I just don't believe a word out of her mouth. Unless and until I see something to substantiate her claims, I give Lee the benefit of the doubt. Number one, the story itself defies logic. She claims Lee came in her room many, many times and fondled her breasts while she slept and when she awoke she realized it because her bra would be unhooked or something askew in her clothing.

Unless you have been drugged, there is no way, zero ,that you are not going to feel someone touching your breasts.

Moreover, if she knew that Lee and her father had molested her, how does she explain leaving her child alone with them? Especially since she had a nanny to take the child to. LOL!! So the choices are believe a very, very far fetched story from the queen of lies, or believe that she put Caylee at risk with two petophiles.
Remember how Jesse told LE that because his family was deeply in the church, Casey started going too. Then, since Tony's friends smoke weed
(allegedly) suddenly she started smoking weed. If her friends are in college...then so is Casey, etc. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRZ2Wt6Te2M[/ame] five minute mark, Rick explains how Casey will take one little thing and make a huge colorful story out of it.

If Robyn quotes a scripture in her letter, next letter Casey quotes two. I guarantee you if you look through Casey's voluminous texts to her friends before she went to jail you could search high and you could search low. Guess what you wont find much of, passages from the bible. It is situational. She is what Jesse
described , a diabolical liar who adapts her persona to the person right in front of her at that moment.

If the inmate would have been Jewish, Casey would have converted to Judaism. If the inmate would have been a white supremist , she would have been practicing drawing swastikas for her tattoo when she gets out.


Me too colorful stories at short notice are her specialty. She is not to be believed. MOO

 

[sleutherontheside]

My posting excerpts from the letters should not be construed (or conshtrued heehee) as evidence that KC was or was not molested. Nor be taken as my opinion on the matter. Just sharing folks.

 

[beach]

In my post I made no mentioned that I believed KC statements, I didn't put any stock in them at the time and am still completely unsure if they are true or not.

--heavily snipped for emphasis

kushka, I did not mean to imply that you did believe KC at all. I only quoted the portion I snipped to point out that I deciphered the word as love.

After that I just kept talking. It wasn't in response to anything else you said.

 

[TorisMom003]

One of the things that I have noticed with Casey is that she is very vain. My thought on the beautiful that her parents so freely tell her is that without something about her good looks thrown into the mix she would simply tune them out. The best way to make sure that Casey is paying attention to what you are saying, to keep on her "good side", is to tell her what she wants to hear.

I don't for one second believe that George or Lee did anything to Casey. They may be alot of things and strange but I can't see them going that far.

MOO

 

[Leila]

--respectfully snipped & BBM

I read that as "I have tried, sacrificed, continuted to love you"

George's "Why?" letter


Casey is like the girl who has cried "wolf' so many times I just have a hard time making the leap to believing the accusations. This is proof I don't believe a single word that rolls off of her tongue. I can see why others may question it, but I just don't believe a word she says. I see it more as another story...more drama...just the narcissist she is - always the victim. According to her own words, she can excuse Zanny for kidnapping and murdering (?) Caylee and doesn't blame her for not wanting to 'show her face', but feels it is a good time for a confessional about George and Lee? :waitasec:

The only thing that adds up for me is that it sets up a good mitigating factor. That is why I think George was vague in his letter. I think he was probably furious when he left the meeting with JB & CM. I believe they both encouraged George to not personally deny it to the media. GA has always been the one more apt to hold Casey's feet to the fire....well, until Cindy could put a stop to it. I don't think Cindy knew he sent that letter. It had a handwritten return address, unlike every other letter sent by George or Cindy. I think George was mad as hell and couldn't NOT say anything. Cindy would have hit the roof if she knew so he didn't warn her, he just wrote it and mailed it. I think he tried to word it very carefully and was vague on purpose. What I wonder is when Cindy found out....was it the same time WE did?

I read that sentence the same way................. "I have tried, sacrificed, continuted to love you" and I've gone back and studied GA's handwriting, and I'm pretty sure that word is "Love" not "have."

 

[kushka]

I have posted on these boards about the horrible narcissistic and possibly sociopathic person Cindy is, and lately the horrible person I believe George is, I have felt that some other posters are seeing me as is some way trying to justify KC’s actions. In addition, I wonder if some of the others who post wonder if I am trying to help the defense to find responses that would help in mediation.

Therefore, I just want to make it clear that I do believe that KC, though sociopathic, is sane. And no matter how badly she was treated, was, and is completely reasonable for her on actions. I believe she killed Caylee with maliciousness and aforethought and should never be allowed one day as a free woman for the rest of her hopefully short life.

I also believe that no one should fear that these topics will help the defense, for I think even a very simplistic and compassionate juror who saw that KC was herself abused and who because of that abuse might not see her as completely responsible for her actions would still in seeing who she has become, would still find her just as guilty and would sentence her to at least LWOP simply because just like an abused put bull trained for fighting who attacks and kills a child, that a dog like that can no longer be allowed to live where it might ever come in contact with innocent children and should be put down, for even though it wasn’t completely the dogs fault, the fact is, it can never be trusted again.