Letters to Casey from Cindy and George

[affinity]

I'm the minority, but don't see a thing wrong with Cindy's letter. Cindy felt sad that Casey is so secluded that she had to find a best friend amongst jailbirds, then got betrayed. Cindy felt betrayed by Dom, and pointed out that they were both reaching out to people who are near but not the best for them. Cindy had felt before anything ever happened that she and Casey were best friends, just like many mothers and daughters. What is very sad though, is that the religious aspect in the Robin letter and Cindy thinking Casey was her best friend is probably just the manipulations of a psychopath. If George really ran up $40,000 in charges on Cindy's cards then I can see why she doesn't mention him. He's put her through a lot and she gets the blame when it's obvious that he's really not henpecked or controlled, just wants it to appear that way. Cindy does need to wake up and move on so that she can have some sort of a life. She'll spend the rest of it scrimping for commissary money, manipulative phone calls, prison visits, and appeals if she doesn't wake up PLUS whatever George decides to do to her next.

what do you think of the rest of her letter....how she thinks someone (anyone!) did the crime--not Casey (?) And how Caylee isn't the Caylee they found, etc. Wow! I am constantly AMAZED at the level of Cindy's inability to face the truth..she wants to blame Jesse, Kronk--anyone! STILL!

 

[txsvicki]

what do you think of the rest of her letter....how she thinks someone (anyone!) did the crime--not Casey (?) And how Caylee isn't the Caylee they found, etc. Wow! I am constantly AMAZED at the level of Cindy's inability to face the truth..she wants to blame Jesse, Kronk--anyone! STILL!

I think that's just for the public and upcoming trial in hopes to maybe avoid the death penalty or to try and create a speck of doubt since she knows the letters will eventually be read by the public. Cindy knows that Caylee is deceased. She wouldn't have a shrine and wear the necklace if she didn't. She could actually believe that Casey is so mentally ill that something could have happened, but can't remember. Cindy is lucky to be alive, IMO the computer research on killing was for her and George. I've always felt sorry for the woman being the only one working and supporting the whole family while they stole thousands and thousands of dollars from her, all the while criticizing and making her look controlling and bad to everyone when in reality she was the one being forced to take charge while being master manipulated. That alone would be enough to cause a nervous breakdown, then all this happens and she loses Caylee. It's a wonder she even makes any sense at all or is able live a daily life.

 

[TorisMom003]

You know...I'm not sure which show it was that CA showed off her shrine to Caylee for the cameras...I just remember seeing it. Sorry.

I agree with SOTS, I think it was the 48 Hours special. One thing that I noticed during that interview was when Cindy claimed that she couldn't even clean the room because she didn't want to wipe away any of Caylee. The mirror still had Caylee's handprints on it. However, it was obvious that Cindy (or someone) went into that room often to clean it. There was no dust sitting on the furniture. I seem to recall that she also washed the sheets often, but why would she do that? Most parents/grandparents would want to leave the room the way it was the last time the child was there and the sheets would be left alone so that childs smell would still be there.

 

[RR0004]

Ok...something hasn't been sitting right with me. Knowing the As' penchant to speak in code, could Cindy's apology for calling DC her BFF mean something else? I know it sounds crazy (it's their fault...lol), but what if she was apologizing for having a relationship with him? Casey would sure have been informed by Baez of that little juicy tidbit. I just find that part of the letter so odd.

 

[affinity]

Ok...something hasn't been sitting right with me. Knowing the As' penchant to speak in code, could Cindy's apology for calling DC her BFF mean something else? I know it sounds crazy (it's their fault...lol), but what if she was apologizing for having a relationship with him? Casey would sure have been informed by Baez of that little juicy tidbit. I just find that part of the letter so odd.

I thought CA was just trying to relate to KC --in a you've-been-betrayed-by-someone-you-thought-you-could-trust way. It's a way to try to make KC see that CA is her real best friend. I have a distinct feeling that CA disapproved of practically everything pertaining to KC, especially her friends. NOW of course the pendulum has swung all the way the other way where KC can now do no wrong! CA is in serious need of mental health intervention. She does not see that to despising KC so much but now lovvvvving her so much (granting KC sainthood) is koo-koo.

 

[RR0004]

I thought CA was just trying to relate to KC --in a you've-been-betrayed-by-someone-you-thought-you-could-trust way. It's a way to try to make KC see that CA is her real best friend. I have a distinct feeling that CA disapproved of practically everything pertaining to KC, especially her friends. NOW of course the pendulum has swung all the way the other way where KC can now do no wrong! CA is in serious need of mental health intervention. She does not see that to despising KC so much but now lovvvvving her so much (granting KC sainthood) is koo-koo.

I get that...but why drag DC's name into it? It just sounds so wacky, IMO.

 

[LambChop]

I get that...but why drag DC's name into it? It just sounds so wacky, IMO.

Maybe CA was trying to make KC believe that the blame for the relationship falls on DC's shoulders and not her's. CA is all about blaming someone else. CA takes responsibility for nothing, nothing. jmo

 

[OneLostGrl]

I'm the minority, but don't see a thing wrong with Cindy's letter. Cindy felt sad that Casey is so secluded that she had to find a best friend amongst jailbirds, then got betrayed. Cindy felt betrayed by Dom, and pointed out that they were both reaching out to people who are near but not the best for them. Cindy had felt before anything ever happened that she and Casey were best friends, just like many mothers and daughters. What is very sad though, is that the religious aspect in the Robin letter and Cindy thinking Casey was her best friend is probably just the manipulations of a psychopath. If George really ran up $40,000 in charges on Cindy's cards then I can see why she doesn't mention him. He's put her through a lot and she gets the blame when it's obvious that he's really not henpecked or controlled, just wants it to appear that way. Cindy does need to wake up and move on so that she can have some sort of a life. She'll spend the rest of it scrimping for commissary money, manipulative phone calls, prison visits, and appeals if she doesn't wake up PLUS whatever George decides to do to her next.

Clearly Cindy chooses this life. She created it.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I think that's just for the public and upcoming trial in hopes to maybe avoid the death penalty or to try and create a speck of doubt since she knows the letters will eventually be read by the public. Cindy knows that Caylee is deceased. She wouldn't have a shrine and wear the necklace if she didn't. She could actually believe that Casey is so mentally ill that something could have happened, but can't remember. Cindy is lucky to be alive, IMO the computer research on killing was for her and George. I've always felt sorry for the woman being the only one working and supporting the whole family while they stole thousands and thousands of dollars from her, all the while criticizing and making her look controlling and bad to everyone when in reality she was the one being forced to take charge while being master manipulated. That alone would be enough to cause a nervous breakdown, then all this happens and she loses Caylee. It's a wonder she even makes any sense at all or is able live a daily life.

Cindy is the one who says Casey has NO mental health issues.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

Please forgive me if this has been discussed, I have been trying for two days now to download the latest doc (my computer keeps freezing up ! argh!) so I haven't been able to read the documents myself. Also, I spent two days reading over at the Dominic Casey thread, and am now feeling like I have the flu. Feel sorry for me yet? ha.

So I'm just asking, were there no letters from George to Casey in this latest dump? I mean, was the "why why why?" letter from March seemingly the last letter he may have sent to her to date, as I am aware there are letters from Cindy as recent as last month. Thank you so much.

I'm looking over at wftv.com now to see if they've broken down the doc dump into smaller, bite sized pieces.

 

[pip]

Cindy's letters are, as usual, embedded with passive-aggressive comments she knows will push KC's buttons, but may seem innocuous to the average onlooker. Cindy frequently has a hidden agenda from which her behaviors can be explained. She is angry with KC, but has to save KC in order to save her own image as a 'good mother', bottom line. The working agenda of these letters seem to say:

I will be on your side, but I need you on my side, but DO NOT forget who is in control, and how much you need me and are indebted to me for this sacrifice.

Hinky also how she throws in off beat comments..that leave us saying..Huh?
Like her randomnly discussing her BFF status with DC. Completely choreographed for a reason (agenda). She wants to deflect any notion her relations with DC were anything but platonic..no romance.

Which leads me to believe it was more. If the truth were known, she would lose points..her image as a 'good mother' with a 'great family' would be tarnished.

 

[gitana1]

Bump for discussion after release of new letters released 8/5/2010

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24527888/detail.html

Cindy to KC
Pg 3 of 6
"I am sorry for when I referred to Dom as my best friend back in 2008. Sometimes we reach out to what we have in front of us."

Pg 5 of 6
"I talked with Jose and he said he would let you write to us as long as he got to read them first. I hope he told you."

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm is that allowed???????????

It is. JB could say, "casey, before you send any letters out, I need to review them first." I do this often with my more unpredictable clients because everything they do and say can be later scrutinized and or twisted to make them look bad. (Sometimes what they say is bad all by itself!). So, I need to control that.

Cindy has lost it. Thats ALL there is to it.

Apparently KC is not writing her back based on the last line, and apparently it IS only Cindy that still beleives KC based on the fact that she states it will be her KC and Caylee in Heaven, not George or anyone else, she also claims that her and Casey are all each other needs, and all each other has....... This is just to weird..

Can anyone say enmeshed? Lor' almighty, these people are exceedingly dysfunctional.

Interesting article on enmeshment symptoms:
http://www.nursetogether.com/tabid/100/itemid/601/Are-You-Enmeshed-with-Your-Children.aspx

Here's a snip:

There are various ways a parent may enmesh with his or her children:

• When parents don't have a strong sense of their own identity, they may over identify with their children. This means that they are over-invested in their children's performance, such as their children's grades, sports, or talents...The parent who screams at a teacher for their child's bad grade is another example of an enmeshed parent. The parent who insists that their child goes to med school when the child really wants to be an artist is another example. Rather than supporting the child in following his or her heart, the parent threatens a withdrawal of approval to control the child.

• When a parent is devoted to being a victim and not taking responsibility for their own feelings, they may cry, yell, blame, and in various other ways "pull" on their children to make the parent happy. A parent who sits in a chair with a miserable look or walks away crying pathetically is pulling on his or her child to connect with them and fill their emptiness. Since they are taking no responsibility for themselves, they are a bottomless pit, and nothing the child does really helps. Eventually the child may shut down to the parent, distancing themselves because they don't want to be controlled and they don't want responsibility for their parent's feelings. The parent ends up getting the opposite of what he or she wants.

• A parent can also make a child responsible for his or her physical health. "If you do that, you will give me a heart attack," is the kind of guilt-inducing statement that this parent may make.

• Some parents get their sense of identity by being right. They not only believe they are right, but they believe they have the right to impose their views onto their children. Rather than supporting their children in being true to themselves, they make their "love" dependent upon their children following their religion, their politics, their sports, their interests, or their values.

• Some parents use money and things to gain the control they want. By threatening to withdraw financial support, they attempt to force their children into becoming what they want them to be. They want to be able to brag about their children as their way of enhancing their own diminished sense of self.

• Finally, a parent may be enmeshed with their children because they are taking responsibility for their children's feelings. Rather than taking care of themselves and role-modeling personal responsibility for their own feelings, they are over-involved with making sure their children are happy - trying to take away every sadness, every hurt, or every moment of boredom.

Enmeshed, over-involved parents often want to blame their partner or someone else when their children don't perform to expectations, or their children pull away, or rebel with drugs, alcohol, or an eating disorder. This parent wants to deny the fact that he or she has been a poor role model for taking personal responsibility for his or her own feelings and wellbeing.


I see this in CA and casey's relationship. I can see evidence of this in the letters. A lot of it has to do with controlling the child but it also has to do with how the child is portrayed publicly by the parent. casey is a victim because Cindy is one. casey cannot be a murderer because Cindy is not.

 

[wildchild1961]

I think that's just for the public and upcoming trial in hopes to maybe avoid the death penalty or to try and create a speck of doubt since she knows the letters will eventually be read by the public. Cindy knows that Caylee is deceased. She wouldn't have a shrine and wear the necklace if she didn't. She could actually believe that Casey is so mentally ill that something could have happened, but can't remember. Cindy is lucky to be alive, IMO the computer research on killing was for her and George. I've always felt sorry for the woman being the only one working and supporting the whole family while they stole thousands and thousands of dollars from her, all the while criticizing and making her look controlling and bad to everyone when in reality she was the one being forced to take charge while being master manipulated. That alone would be enough to cause a nervous breakdown, then all this happens and she loses Caylee. It's a wonder she even makes any sense at all or is able live a daily life.

Just how many times does one have to be the victim of something before they change how they are reacting or doing? Out of Cindy's own mouth.. it wasn't the first time.. it wasn't the second time.. it wasn't the THIRD time that Casey or George had lied, stolen from her or went behind her back and used money she had worked hard to earn... for their own selfish purposes.
What's that old saying?

'Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me'"

How many times does the same thing have to happen to you before YOU are the one allowing, even encouraging... the problem to continue.

I completely agree Cindy was a hard worker and I have never seen Cindy as completely controlling. Does she have control issues.. YES. Does she want complete control? NO. To control means you want the responsibility for others as well and she doesn't want that...she wants to be the savior.. Casey's friend, Casey's BFF. I do however, think she is one of the biggest martyrs I have ever seen. As far as manipulation.. it is rampant in that household. They all do it as a matter of routine.

I do speak from experience on this actually, I spent 15 years in an abusive marriage and during the whole time.. I was the "victim".. everyone seen my ex as the problem. I spent 15 years manipulating that man so that I could get something as simple as grocery money out of him. After the marriage ended. I spent another 3 years in counseling and learning how NOT to manipulate someone and how NOT to play the victim, which was actually much much harder than going through the abuse in the marriage.

It ALWAYS takes two .. I completely believe that now.. that once someone screws you over the first time.. then (barring some unbelievably bizarre circumstances) you simply CANNOT be manipulated by them again unless you WANT to be manipulated, most likely.. in order to be the "victim" again.

so yes, while I can have empathy for CA that she was used over and over.. I have no real sympathy. I can't even begin to know how hard it was to walk in her shoes through all of this.. however I DO know .. that there is no way in the hot place.. that I would be standing at the same spot she is right now.

just my two cents

wild

 

[RR0004]

Please forgive me if this has been discussed, I have been trying for two days now to download the latest doc (my computer keeps freezing up ! argh!) so I haven't been able to read the documents myself. Also, I spent two days reading over at the Dominic Casey thread, and am now feeling like I have the flu. Feel sorry for me yet? ha.

So I'm just asking, were there no letters from George to Casey in this latest dump? I mean, was the "why why why?" letter from March seemingly the last letter he may have sent to her to date, as I am aware there are letters from Cindy as recent as last month. Thank you so much.

I'm looking over at wftv.com now to see if they've broken down the doc dump into smaller, bite sized pieces.

No letters from George.

 

[Tulessa]

I'm the minority, but don't see a thing wrong with Cindy's letter. Cindy felt sad that Casey is so secluded that she had to find a best friend amongst jailbirds, then got betrayed. Cindy felt betrayed by Dom, and pointed out that they were both reaching out to people who are near but not the best for them. Cindy had felt before anything ever happened that she and Casey were best friends, just like many mothers and daughters. What is very sad though, is that the religious aspect in the Robin letter and Cindy thinking Casey was her best friend is probably just the manipulations of a psychopath. If George really ran up $40,000 in charges on Cindy's cards then I can see why she doesn't mention him. He's put her through a lot and she gets the blame when it's obvious that he's really not henpecked or controlled, just wants it to appear that way. Cindy does need to wake up and move on so that she can have some sort of a life. She'll spend the rest of it scrimping for commissary money, manipulative phone calls, prison visits, and appeals if she doesn't wake up PLUS whatever George decides to do to her next.

I see a LOT wrong with it but of course that is just MO. When my son was at home (he's 36 now) He knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that I was his friend. But when it came to hard knocks? Friendship lost out & Mommy won. I told him from the time he could talk that when it came to being his Mommy or being a friend that the friend would lose out. Thank God he turned into the fine young man that he did!!! You HAVE to be a PARENT before you can be their friend!

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Enmeshed, over-involved parents often want to blame their partner or someone else when their children don't perform to expectations, or their children pull away, or rebel with drugs, alcohol, or an eating disorder. This parent wants to deny the fact that he or she has been a poor role model for taking personal responsibility for his or her own feelings and wellbeing.[/SIZE][/I]

I see this in CA and casey's relationship. I can see evidence of this in the letters. A lot of it has to do with controlling the child but it also has to do with how the child is portrayed publicly by the parent. casey is a victim because Cindy is one. casey cannot be a murderer because Cindy is not.

*snipped for focus.....BBM

Firstly can I just say that entire post was brilliant, and sounds pretty spot on to me re Cindy!!

Oh, and is that the sound of that pesky bus George? I'm starting to wonder if Cindy herself could be behind the George / incest angle, if not then I can certainly imagine see her jumping on board and getting behind any idea that defends her daughter and exonerates herself at the same time.

 

[Intermezzo]

In Cindy's letter of 5/24 she says she freaked out when she saw the SWAT team in Court with ICA- Baez explained to her that they are always there...
Truth or fantasy?

And she never noticed them before???

Curious, Cindy did not write she freaked out when she heard/read Casey had accused Lee of molesting her..I guess it was quite alright with her that Casey accused Lee of molestation so no need to freak out.

 

[nums24]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/24579474/detail.html

 

[I Din Doot]

Cindy is the one who says Casey has NO mental health issues.

Unless she calls KCs' acquaintances to say "BTW KC is a sociopath etc".
OOOOOh loving mother!!:dance:

So while I have the forum,UHHUM, been trying to post for about 12 minutes. Learned that paying the fee to remove ads will not increase font size (so you can see), it will increase speed of loading. (On target) those letters have me thinkin'.

I'm thinkin' 'bout startin' a thread where we can donate (or something) to at least make the site visible for us old'ens. No doubt, there are many issues involved in operating a HIGH QUALITY/PROFESSIONALLY moderated site like WS. I'm just tryin' to figure out a way to SEE it and participate without going broke.On topic, I'm sure these letters are choreographed with JB to get the biggest bang for the media/PR/ taint the jury effect.

abadeaabdabdbaa thats all folks !!!:twocents:

 

[ynotdivein]

Unless she calls KCs' acquaintances to say "BTW KC is a sociopath etc".
OOOOOh loving mother!!:dance:

So while I have the forum,UHHUM, been trying to post for about 12 minutes. Learned that paying the fee to remove ads will not increase font size (so you can see), it will increase speed of loading. (On target) those letters have me thinkin'.

I'm thinkin' 'bout startin' a thread where we can donate (or something) to at least make the site visible for us old'ens. No doubt, there are many issues involved in operating a HIGH QUALITY/PROFESSIONALLY moderated site like WS. I'm just tryin' to figure out a way to SEE it and participate without going broke.On topic, I'm sure these letters are choreographed with JB to get the biggest bang for the media/PR/ taint the jury effect.

abadeaabdabdbaa thats all folks !!!:twocents:

I Din Doot--not sure if you have a mouse that has one of those little wheel thingies in it, but if you do, then try holding down the CTRL key and simultaneously scroll your little wheel thingamabob on your mouse away from you. The font should embiggen. :dance:

If you don't have a mouse with a little wheelie-whatsit, I'm done stumped. :waitasec: