Levi Page Show 7/12/10 9 PM ET / 6 PT

[scandi]

Ask Pat why Kaine might not have recognized the psychopath in Terri?

Also find out if Pat belongs to WS. Yust Yokin' LOLOLOL

 

[Etilema]

and how was LE able to get both cells? could they get a search warrant for them b/c Terri violated the RO?

did MC possibly volunteer his cell?

The documents said they had checked his "work" phone. So perhaps LE was able to get the info from his employer. But how did they know to ask for it? Someone had to have tipped them off, or else they have access to the Horman family phone records and saw his number there.

 

[Levi]

Thank you Levi! Good show. Appreciate your using WS questions and info in real-time; makes it a truly interactive experience.

Thank you, I apologize for stating the "abduction" took place after the RO, thanks for correcting me SleuthyGal, I appreciate it.

 

[Levi]

Kat you bring up a very good point. Levi on tommorrows show will you ask Pat Brown, how appling pressure to a psychopath could work, if they have no emotional reaction to anything how is Le expecting this to work? Are they just going to hope something breaks, because if she is a psychopath all the embarrasment, all the pressure all the pleas by family are not going to work, because she doesn't care.

REMIND me to ask... And I will. Excellent question.

 

[Levi]

Also find out if Pat belongs to WS. Yust Yokin' LOLOLOL

Pat is a busy person! She is a dancer, an author, (she is on TV all the time) and she travels the country profiling cases.

But sometimes if I see something on WS interesting RE a case, I'll FWD it and pass it on to her. Especially some of the theories in these cases.

 

[sorrell skye]

Levi,

Allegedly the R.O. had not yet been served on TMH at the time she went to get her daughter at the gym on 6/28. If the R.O. had not yet been served, then she wasn't in any violation of anything at that point in time.

I feel this needs to be pointed out because you said she received the R.O. and then went to get her daughter, which is not what the article(s) state.

TY for pointing that out, Sleuthy. That's one of the reasons I don't listen to that show anymore - too many erroneous statements not supported by facts.

 

[sorrell skye]

PB says that she doesn't think that Terri cares to fight the RO, that she is like okay here

To PB - pfffttt!

PB has no idea what Houze has advised his client to do or not to do, since she was certailnly not present during any of those meetings. IMO, PB appears on programs to get her own name out there & to sell her books.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Sociopaths are very clever at assimilating themselves and appearing "normal" when they choose to. That's why so many of them con and harm so many other people. Sociopaths can con anyone because they mimic human behavior and emotions so well, but they aren't really "human."

That point just can't be stated enough. This is why early in the case we saw many many posts here in which people said they hated to think the stepmother was involved in the disappearance and gave her the benefit of the doubt. And that's fine because it's not always the obvious person who is guilty.

But for people who have been around Websleuths for years, we've seen this same behavior over and over again, the lying, the cheating, the dragging outsiders into the family problems, you name it.

Sociopaths probably can't truly love anyone, not even their mates or their own biological children. It's all about them, and some of them are full-blown Narcissists who are selfish to the core and objectify everyone else. Stepchildren have no chance with someone like that because there's no connection at all. They are incapable of loving someone else's children as their own, and really they have no deep feelings and no remorse.

 

[sorrell skye]

PB, thinks that Terri wanted the whole CSI attention drama but didn't think the finger would be pointed at her. Said Terri is a psychopath and you are born that way she didnt just snap.

TY for the play by play Butterfly!

I disagree with PB's claim.

Onset of symptoms of a personality disorder typically occurs during adolescence or young adulthood, not at birth.

If PB wants the public to believe that TH was "born that way" then, just for the sake of debate, to follow PB's illogical and false claim, IF TH was "born that way" - is she to blame for the way she was born?

It's a ridiculously false claim, not to mention a dead-end circular argument.

 

[scandi]

Pat is a busy person! She is a dancer, an author, (she is on TV all the time) and she travels the country profiling cases.

But sometimes if I see something on WS interesting RE a case, I'll FWD it and pass it on to her. Especially some of the theories in these cases.

Thanks for the answer Levi and that is nifty neato about sharing the Sleuthin' with her at times. ;}

 

[butterfly1978]

I would just like to say that Pat Brown is one of the top criminal profilers in the nation. She has assisted any many investigations written many books, and appeared on many news agencys and talk shows. She has the credintials, and she knows what she is talking about. She has seen more of these type cases than any of us here at WS and she didn't get to be one of the best by random luck, she has worked hard to make a name for herself. This is what she does and she is good at it.

I do not understand how some of these threads get turned around... THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED ON LEVI'S SHOW FROM EXPERTS TAKE ON THE CASE, NOT ABOUT THE GUEST!!!

 

[sorrell skye]

IMO, if PB or any guest is going to offer their "expert" insight on any program, those insights need to be backed up by scientific documentation, not to mention bringing themselves up to date regarding the facts of any case they are discussing.

ETA: PB is a self-proclaimed top criminal profiler.

 

[scandi]

That point just can't be stated enough. This is why early in the case we saw many many posts here in which people said they hated to think the stepmother was involved in the disappearance and gave her the benefit of the doubt. And that's fine because it's not always the obvious person who is guilty.

But for people who have been around Websleuths for years, we've seen this same behavior over and over again, the lying, the cheating, the dragging outsiders into the family problems, you name it.

Sociopaths probably can't truly love anyone, not even their mates or their own biological children. It's all about them, and some of them are full-blown Narcissists who are selfish to the core and objectify everyone else. Stepchildren have no chance with someone like that because there's no connection at all. They are incapable of loving someone else's children as their own, and really they have no deep feelings and no remorse.

Hi ThoughtFox, Gosh it's great to see you :blowkiss:

So would one describe her as a sociopath with narcissistic tendencies?

I heard a TH on HLN say she wasn't psychotic or there would have been evidence of that before. Explosions of anger, weird behavior, acting out as one might say.

I just wonder if the planning of a MFH, approaching the killer to be and offering payment is too diabolical an act to simply say she is only a self centered sociopath.

The word itself - psychotic - sounds so over the top, but I wonder if they can be inward, without signs, yet when they decide how to really hurt someone in the worst way possible, it is on their brain night and day and they stealthfully go about their plan to the last dotted i.

 

[eyes4crime]

TY for the play by play Butterfly!

I disagree with PB's claim.

Onset of symptoms of a personality disorder typically occurs during adolescence or young adulthood, not at birth.

If PB wants the public to believe that TH was "born that way" then, just for the sake of debate, to follow PB's illogical and false claim, IF TH was "born that way" - is she to blame for the way she was born?

It's a ridiculously false claim, not to mention a dead-end circular argument.

Have you read "Without Conscience" by Dr. Robert Hare? He has psychopathy on a sliding scale continuum. He's an outstanding researcher in the area of psychopathy. Dr. Hare feels that some babies are born without the capacity to process feelings like most. This leaves them cold, calculating, and with the ability to murder later on in life without flinching. I like his theory since he is backing it up with CAT scans and research of brain functioning. It's a viable theory. I've never heard from Pat Brown that she subscribed to his theory, and her profiling, in the past, didn't reflect it.

Always good to check out credentials of experts. Why not?

 

[butterfly1978]

Have you read "Without Conscience" by Dr. Robert Hare? He has psychopathy on a sliding scale continuum. He's an outstanding researcher in the area of psychopathy. Dr. Hare feels that some babies are born without the capacity to process feelings like most. This leaves them cold, calculating, and with the ability to murder later on in life without flinching. I like his theory since he is backing it up with CAT scans and research of brain functioning. It's a viable theory. I've never heard from Pat Brown that she subscribed to his theory, and her profiling, in the past, didn't reflect it.

Always good to check out credentials of experts. Why not?

I have not investigated her credintials because I'm sure that every news agency has, but I do know that she has a masters in Criminal Justice and it takes many years to get a masters degree in anything.

 

[Bathbuddys]

IMO, if PB or any guest is going to offer their "expert" insight on any program, those insights need to be backed up by scientific documentation, not to mention bringing themselves up to date regarding the facts of any case they are discussing.

ETA: PB is a self-proclaimed top criminal profiler.

when she is on a show whether it be a tv show or radio show she is acting as a consultant and using her expertise to answer questions in her own experience and opinion. I do not believe she is a scientist or claims to be one. She does this for a job and I really don't know why people are insulting her for doing her job? I think she is being very kind to do it.

 

[eyes4crime]

I would just like to say that Pat Brown is one of the top criminal profilers in the nation. She has assisted any many investigations written many books, and appeared on many news agencys and talk shows. She has the credintials, and she knows what she is talking about. She has seen more of these type cases than any of us here at WS and she didn't get to be one of the best by random luck, she has worked hard to make a name for herself. This is what she does and she is good at it.

I do not understand how some of these threads get turned around... THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED ON LEVI'S SHOW FROM EXPERTS TAKE ON THE CASE, NOT ABOUT THE GUEST!!!

Nothing wrong with sleuthing or questioning experts who are putting forth an opinion - we do that with everyone else. The first thing we all do is google names, just look at Terri's defense attorney. Pat's not always right and I'm sure she would be the first to admit that. I think she is a real inspiration to women for what she's done with her life, but gosh, not everyone sees her as an expert. Not only do I check credentials out but I try to find out who is funding the research so I can know the bias. We are all different. moo mho

Not sure I like being told what to think. Bye everyone, see you later. :blowkiss:

 

[sorrell skye]

Have you read "Without Conscience" by Dr. Robert Hare? He has psychopathy on a sliding scale continuum. He's an outstanding researcher in the area of psychopathy. Dr. Hare feels that some babies are born without the capacity to process feelings like most. This leaves them cold, calculating, and with the ability to murder later on in life without flinching. I like his theory since he is backing it up with CAT scans and research of brain functioning. It's a viable theory. I've never heard from Pat Brown that she subscribed to his theory, and her profiling, in the past, didn't reflect it.

Always good to check out credentials of experts. Why not?

Yes - I've heard of Dr. Hare and admire his work.

However, it all boils down to the age-old debate of nature versus nurture.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199401/charming-psychopath?page=4

The forces that produce a psychopath are still obscure, an admission those looking for clear answers will find unsatisfying. Nevertheless, there are several rudimentary theories about the cause of psychopathy worth considering. At one end of the spectrum are theories that view psychopathy as largely the product of genetic or biological factors (nature), whereas theories at the other end posit that psychopathy results entirely from a faulty early social environment (nurture).

IMO, the jury is still out - no pun intended - in terms of any scientific conclusion.

Personally, I believe it's a complex mixture of nature AND nurture (biology & environment).

I don't believe they are mutually exclusive. To claim one or the other, or to deny one or the other as the sole reason, is to ignore other factors. We are all molded by our biology, our physiology, and our environments. MOO

 

[sorrell skye]

Just want to add that the above snippet from the Psychology Today article is based on the work of Dr. Robert Hare. Even he is not yet convinced regarding the etiology of psychopathy.

Excerpted from Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us (Simon & Schuster) by Robert Hare, Ph.D.Copyright 1993.