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[mikeysmommom]

IMO if Ron was guilty of hurting or killing Haleigh why hasn't any of the jail birds talked?IMO they would all be pointing the fingers at Ron and none are.He is going to be in jail for 15 yrs, if he killed her he will be away for life.So what is stopping anyone of them from talking about Ron's involvement not a thing.Just maybe he has nothing to do with it.As far as his work hours LE is ok with what he has said, until they have a body and know the time of death(if even possibly at this point)his work hours are moot.Maybe she died 10 minutes after she got off the bus, then his being at work after the fact doesn't matter.It seems we all get nowhere when we hang on to his work hours when they may not matter at all.

 

[Emeralgem]

Justus, I agree with your scenario with the exception of Misty's role. I think she played more of a minor role...the staging of the Green Lane MH, and claiming to be the babystitter, and making the 911 call. She was told to say she was asleep and knew nothing, because it has happened that kids were stolen from their beds while the rest of the family slept. So they decided to go with that.

I say this because I do not see Misty as the brightest bulb, and I think Ron knew that she wasn't. I have a hard time thinking he would leave the most crucial tasks up to Misty, even if she had help from her brothers. I think TN was more of a major player (and not just behind the scenes) than Misty. Misty's role was to make the 911 call and then make public statements to the effect that Haleigh was "stole" and she slept through it all.

Whatever happened has been covered up by them all but some played minor roles and thus had/have few facts, specifically of where Haleigh was taken. And we really do not have any way to know that Misty has not given some true information to LE by now. The problem is she cannot answer some pertinent questions--and that's because her role did not provide her with some important facts.[/B]
JMO.

krkrjx...BBM I'm in total agreement..

BBM Dark Red And I suspect the same applies to Tommy and Jo too....JMHO

 

[krkrjx]

IMO if Ron was guilty of hurting or killing Haleigh why hasn't any of the jail birds talked?IMO they would all be pointing the fingers at Ron and none are.He is going to be in jail for 15 yrs, if he killed her he will be away for life.So what is stopping anyone of them from talking about Ron's involvement not a thing.Just maybe he has nothing to do with it.As far as his work hours LE is ok with what he has said, until they have a body and know the time of death(if even possibly at this point)his work hours are moot.Maybe she died 10 minutes after she got off the bus, then his being at work after the fact doesn't matter.It seems we all get nowhere when we hang on to his work hours when they may not matter at all.

Ron's work hours matter for different reasons to different people. For me, the fact that the actual hours worked have not been stated by LE combined with the fact that Ron himself has never stated his actual work hours, is highly relevant because if the father of a missing child would lie about his whereabouts, he would lie about other things. At the very least, Ron has been and continues to be evasive about his work hours. There has to be a reason for that. And one possible reason, IMO, could be that he was not at work for his entire shift. And if he did leave work for any time period that evening...why? If it was for innocent reasons, why hide it? What reason would a person have to evade a question when simply answering the question would secure their alibi? Ron's wording in regard to his work hours is really odd, IMO: "I arrived at such and such a time and I left at such and such a time."

I do not care if Ron was at work during the crucial hours that evening because I believe Haleigh could have been injured early in the day and died of complications later. Some injuries are not obvious right away. I know of a 4-year-old boy who fell off a chair, cried for a little while, but then went about playing as if all was well. Three hours later he laid down for a nap. He never woke up. He died in his sleep of a head injury that no one knew he had sustained.

Something happened to Haleigh that night and someone knows what that something is. Someone removed her from the scene. It might not have been Ron, but my bet is that he caused whatever happened to happen. He has acted on numerous occasions as if he has something to hide and that is NOT something that an innocent father of a missing child does.

Ronald Cummings should have done everything in his power to assist investigators in finding his child or finding out what happened to her. He did not do this, ever, that I have seen. Furthermore, he prompted Misty on what to say in every one of their interviews on national TV; the one time he did not, all she could do was shrug and say, "I don't know."

Ron is involved in the cover-up and I can see no reason why he would cover unless he bears responsibility for what happened to his daughter, or is covering for the person who is--and that would not be Misty, Tommy or Joe. He would cover for himself and/or his family only, IMO.


All JMO.

 

[Bathbuddys]

Ron's work hours matter for different reasons to different people. For me, the fact that the actual hours worked have not been stated by LE combined with the fact that Ron himself has never stated his actual work hours, is highly relevant because if the father of a missing child would lie about his whereabouts, he would lie about other things. At the very least, Ron has been and continues to be evasive about his work hours. There has to be a reason for that. And one possible reason, IMO, could be that he was not at work for his entire shift. And if he did leave work for any time period that evening...why? If it was for innocent reasons, why hide it? What reason would a person have to evade a question when simply answering the question would secure their alibi? Ron's wording in regard to his work hours is really odd, IMO: "I arrived at such and such a time and I left at such and such a time."

I do not care if Ron was at work during the crucial hours that evening because I believe Haleigh could have been injured early in the day and died of complications later. Some injuries are not obvious right away. I know of a 4-year-old boy who fell off a chair, cried for a little while, but then went about playing as if all was well. Three hours later he laid down for a nap. He never woke up. He died in his sleep of a head injury that no one knew he had sustained.

Something happened to Haleigh that night and someone knows what that something is. Someone removed her from the scene. It might not have been Ron, but my bet is that he caused whatever happened to happen. He has acted on numerous occasions as if he has something to hide and that is NOT something that an innocent father of a missing child does.

Ronald Cummings should have done everything in his power to assist investigators in finding his child or finding out what happened to her. He did not do this, ever, that I have seen. Furthermore, he prompted Misty on what to say in every one of their interviews on national TV; the one time he did not, all she could do was shrug and say, "I don't know."

Ron is involved in the cover-up and I can see no reason why he would cover unless he bears responsibility for what happened to his daughter, or is covering for the person who is--and that would not be Misty, Tommy or Joe. He would cover for himself and/or his family only, IMO.


All JMO.

After reading this post respectfully, I wouldn't tell the media my business either in this situation. IT is no ones business but the police and or detectives. The police probably told them not to talk to media. If Ron was out of line with his alibi, IF he had lied to the police he would have been arrested as I am sure he was the main suspect to the police from the first 911 call. People think these people owe us their every move, their every thought and their every everything, no one has been arrested, no body has been found. If and when they did talk to media, it wasnt right no matter what they did. Geraldo could probably be thanked for that. Him and his brother and the problems they caused. My theory of watching the interview with Misty and Ron and why he was watching her in every interview like a hawk is that he was waiting for her to tell the truth, something, he wanted to know what happened to his daughter, he couldnt answer for her so he was letting her hang herself. I think it is just that simple.
I feel this as it has happened to me in relationships in a group setting and I couldnt answer fr someone else. ALso there was A LOT going on and I AM sure they have not received attention like this ever. I would run in my house and shut the door and not come out.

 

[SoSueMe]

I would run in my house and shut the door and not come out.

[Snipped]

Perhaps, but I am certain that I wouldn't be out mudbogging and shooting the finger at the mother's side when I was responsible for losing her child that was my responsibilty to protect. In fact, I'd be feeling a little guilty about that, but that's just me.

 

[Emeralgem]

After reading this post respectfully, I wouldn't tell the media my business either in this situation. IT is no ones business but the police and or detectives. The police probably told them not to talk to media. If Ron was out of line with his alibi, IF he had lied to the police he would have been arrested as I am sure he was the main suspect to the police from the first 911 call. People think these people owe us their every move, their every thought and their every everything, no one has been arrested, no body has been found. If and when they did talk to media, it wasnt right no matter what they did. Geraldo could probably be thanked for that. Him and his brother and the problems they caused. My theory of watching the interview with Misty and Ron and why he was watching her in every interview like a hawk is that he was waiting for her to tell the truth, something, he wanted to know what happened to his daughter, he couldnt answer for her so he was letting her hang herself. I think it is just that simple.
I feel this as it has happened to me in relationships in a group setting and I couldnt answer fr someone else. ALso there was A LOT going on and I AM sure they have not received attention like this ever. I would run in my house and shut the door and not come out.

IMHO...Since he has lied to police from the beginning and still lying to the police since he hasn't told the truth about being the one who IS responsible for his daughter's death, wonder WHY they haven't arrested him and charged him with Haleigh's death?

And I'm not buying Ronald Cummings was watching Misty like a hawk because he wanted her to tell the truth..Last thing Ronald Cummings and his mother want is Misty telling the truth as to what really happened...JMHO

 

[3doglady]

Shoemaker has met with PCSO and the FDLE. He didn't just take Ron's word for anything.

LE didn't say they were satisfied with the hours he worked. They said they checked his alibi and he was at work. His alibi was that he was a work from 5ish until 3am.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Just to follow up on that, Captain, quite often in other criminal cases, let`s say when a woman is murdered, usually immediately police look at the significant other, the husband or boyfriend.

And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time, and that person is formally excluded as a suspect, that`s what I`m talking about.

Obviously, for example, Ron`s alibi was that he was at work. And that`s firm, right?

SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that. However, again we don`t know what happened to Haleigh and we don`t when it happened.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/27/ijvm.01.html

I doubt the police feel the need to inform you of the exact hours. The fact is they have said he was at work that night. That is all they need to say. They don't owe you any more than that.

As for my pretenders comment I mean people who claim they work at PDM or know someone who works there or whatever. Terry Shoemaker has met with the LEO's who investigated this case. He knows what form of clock in was used at the time Haleigh disappeared. He has no reason to lie about it but people pretending to be someone they aren't do.

Sorry but this does not prove anything to me. Defense attorneys spin bs all the time on these shows. It's their job. Of course he's going to say his client has a alibi. LE may not feel the need to inform me, but until they do, I'm certainly not going to take RC or his attorney's word for it.

 

[Emeralgem]

Shoemaker has met with PCSO and the FDLE. He didn't just take Ron's word for anything.

LE didn't say they were satisfied with the hours he worked. They said they checked his alibi and he was at work. His alibi was that he was a work from 5ish until 3am.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Just to follow up on that, Captain, quite often in other criminal cases, let`s say when a woman is murdered, usually immediately police look at the significant other, the husband or boyfriend.

And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time, and that person is formally excluded as a suspect, that`s what I`m talking about.

Obviously, for example, Ron`s alibi was that he was at work. And that`s firm, right?

SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that. However, again we don`t know what happened to Haleigh and we don`t when it happened.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/27/ijvm.01.html

I doubt the police feel the need to inform you of the exact hours. The fact is they have said he was at work that night. That is all they need to say. They don't owe you any more than that.
As for my pretenders comment I mean people who claim they work at PDM or know someone who works there or whatever. Terry Shoemaker has met with the LEO's who investigated this case. He knows what form of clock in was used at the time Haleigh disappeared. He has no reason to lie about it but people pretending to be someone they aren't do.

IMHO.. IF he has such a damn tight alibi LE needs to prove it... Until then I'll maintain my stance he doesn't and will also ask why LE hasn't released the information that proves he didn't have anything to do with his daughter's death...What are they hiding?

 

[dodie20]

After reading this post respectfully, I wouldn't tell the media my business either in this situation. IT is no ones business but the police and or detectives. The police probably told them not to talk to media. If Ron was out of line with his alibi, IF he had lied to the police he would have been arrested as I am sure he was the main suspect to the police from the first 911 call. People think these people owe us their every move, their every thought and their every everything, no one has been arrested, no body has been found. If and when they did talk to media, it wasnt right no matter what they did. Geraldo could probably be thanked for that. Him and his brother and the problems they caused. My theory of watching the interview with Misty and Ron and why he was watching her in every interview like a hawk is that he was waiting for her to tell the truth, something, he wanted to know what happened to his daughter, he couldnt answer for her so he was letting her hang herself. I think it is just that simple.
I feel this as it has happened to me in relationships in a group setting and I couldnt answer fr someone else. ALso there was A LOT going on and I AM sure they have not received attention like this ever. I would run in my house and shut the door and not come out.

I'm sorry, but IMO, there is no way, in this whole world , that Ron was waiting for Misty to tell the truth or hang herself. I can't believe that so many people fell for his 'keeping his enemies close' hogwash. He married Misty, hung out with her, lived with her, slept with her, sold drugs with her, vacationed with her...& he loved her. That was obvious...at least to me. He watched her like a hawk, because he did NOT want her to slip up & implicate him or herself, IMO. Remember his message to her about Donna Brock? Remember her message to him about Cobra? Whatever happened, they were in on this together.

 

[Hippy Chick]

IMO if Ron was guilty of hurting or killing Haleigh why hasn't any of the jail birds talked?IMO they would all be pointing the fingers at Ron and none are.He is going to be in jail for 15 yrs, if he killed her he will be away for life.So what is stopping anyone of them from talking about Ron's involvement not a thing.Just maybe he has nothing to do with it.As far as his work hours LE is ok with what he has said, until they have a body and know the time of death(if even possibly at this point)his work hours are moot.Maybe she died 10 minutes after she got off the bus, then his being at work after the fact doesn't matter.It seems we all get nowhere when we hang on to his work hours when they may not matter at all.

I agree with you, if he were guilty someone would have turned on him by now. Nothing is stopping them at this point, rehashing his work hours is like beating a dead horse IMO

 

[Nonni Brenda]

krkrjx...BBM I'm in total agreement..

BBM Dark Red And I suspect the same applies to Tommy and Jo too....JMHO

I too agree. I don't think anyone knows everything about what happened except RC, Tn, and maybe GGMS. My opinion only.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I agree with you, if he were guilty someone would have turned on him by now. Nothing is stopping them at this point, rehashing his work hours is like beating a dead horse IMO

My opinion, If he were guilty, he is smart enough not to let anyone else know that would turn on him. He would probably only tell 1 oe 2 people, maybe his mom and grandmom, if he was guilty.

 

[Hippy Chick]

Why would RC, TN and GGS kill Haleigh by all accounts they seemed to love her. I am not holding up for RC's lifestyle which I do believe caused harm to Haleigh but I don't think he killed her and these women covered it up. They may have covered him for lots of things but murdering Haleigh I just don't see it . Again IMO

 

[Hippy Chick]

IMHO.. IF he has such a damn tight alibi LE needs to prove it... Until then I'll maintain my stance he doesn't and will also ask why LE hasn't released the information that proves he didn't have anything to do with his daughter's death...What are they hiding?

I don't think they are hiding anything, they owe us nothing at this point. This is not the 1st case that LE has kept info "close to the vest"

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Why would RC, TN and GGS kill Haleigh by all accounts they seemed to love her. I am not holding up for RC's lifestyle which I do believe caused harm to Haleigh but I don't think he killed her and these women covered it up. They may have covered him for lots of things but murdering Haleigh I just don't see it . Again IMO

I didn't say he murdered her. I don't think he did that either, but MOO, those 3 know what happened.

 

[justus4all]

I didn't say he murdered her. I don't think he did that either, but MOO, those 3 know what happened.

IMO...I believe there was an accident...that led to Haleigh's death...where Ron is responsible/involved/or the cause of..

IMO..An accident...that the cause of her death...if reported.....COULD NOT BE... examined by a cornorer, the LE and any involvment of an investigation..

IMO..It was something relating to RON..an illegal activity..or a gun..whatever Haleigh died of...could not be known to any paramedics or a doctor...

OTHERWISE...the ambulance could be summoned and help could arrive to save her...

IMO...IT HAD TO BE COVERED UP...or Ron would be investigated...or arrested.

IMO...If Haleigh had died of a seizure due to her own medical condition..and no reason to hide anything...and no reason to suspect anyone, 911 would have been called right away.....

IMO...It was something ...that Ron could be held for...
IMO...it was either drugs..or...guns...which he has surrounding him..

IMO...As for Ron murdering her...to just get rid of her...I am not on that bandwagon....

IMO....But yes...the others know and helped in the cover up...

 

[dodie20]

I agree with you, if he were guilty someone would have turned on him by now. Nothing is stopping them at this point, rehashing his work hours is like beating a dead horse IMO

This is why, IMO, Tommy or Misty haven't turned on Ron. They're guiltier than he is. The only way they can squeal on him, is by confessing to their own wrongdoings, & they're not ready to do that, & I think there is a good possibility that Ron was in on a cover-up. It takes more than not murdering your child, to make you a good parent. So, even if Ron isn't the killer, that doesn't mean he did nothing else wrong. If LE had been buying his story, they could've charged him with 1 trafficking count, & a few minors, & then dropped them all later. I don't see this case as an all or nothing situation. It's MOO, that even the non killers are as guilty as sin .

 

[Nonni Brenda]

IMO...I believe there was an accident...that led to Haleigh's death...where Ron is responsible/involved/or the cause of..

IMO..An accident...that the cause of her death...if reported.....COULD NOT BE... examined by a cornorer, the LE and any involvment of an investigation..

IMO..It was something relating to RON..an illegal activity..or a gun..whatever Haleigh died of...could not be known to any paramedics or a doctor...

OTHERWISE...the ambulance could be summoned and help could arrive to save her...

IMO...IT HAD TO BE COVERED UP...or Ron would be investigated...or arrested.

IMO...If Haleigh had died of a seizure due to her own medical condition..and no reason to hide anything...and no reason to suspect anyone, 911 would have been called right away.....

IMO...It was something ...that Ron could be held for...
IMO...it was either drugs..or...guns...which he has surrounding him..

IMO...As for Ron murdering her...to just get rid of her...I am not on that bandwagon....

IMO....But yes...the others know and helped in the cover up...

I agrere with you. Murder is not the right word. Ron was most responsible of all the people involved, in my OPINION.

 

[justus4all]

I agrere with you. Murder is not the right word. Ron was most responsible of all the people involved, in my OPINION.

bolded by me...EXACTLY....

IMO...It was Ron's daughter...and he had to devise to quick plan to get her...away from the crime scene..and located elsewhere..

IMO...yes.......He was the reason...the OTHERS became involved..

IMO...Also, I am thinking...since just here recently Ron HAS ADMITTED that there was a fight ....and a gun involved..if that plays a role....in Haleigh's death...Since he is going to be now "giving up information" to the SA...that admitting to a fight..is the beginning..of filling in the blanks...
Hmmmmmmmmm....

 

[Hippy Chick]

This is why, IMO, Tommy or Misty haven't turned on Ron. They're guiltier than he is. The only way they can squeal on him, is by confessing to their own wrongdoings, & they're not ready to do that, & I think there is a good possibility that Ron was in on a cover-up. It takes more than not murdering your child, to make you a good parent. So, even if Ron isn't the killer, that doesn't mean he did nothing else wrong. If LE had been buying his story, they could've charged him with 1 trafficking count, & a few minors, & then dropped them all later. I don't see this case as an all or nothing situation. It's MOO, that even the non killers are as guilty as sin .

I thought the drug charges were evident on tape with the uc how could they have not charged him less than the others that were there and why would they drop them later. That makes no sense.