Levi Page Show 9/8 9 PM ET

[twall]

This is around the 21 minute mark

AH: Ronald was at work, he didn't punch in, sources (Shoemaker?) are telling me that his work uses a thumbprint system for id, so nobody could punch in and out for him, now, ya know, sure maybe he could sneak out and uh..
KP, interrupting: He did before, he snuck out before.
AH: For sure, but I'm just saying there's no card, and nobody could impersonate his thumbprint with out him, they couldn't use a card, in any case...
KP, interrupting: Art, do you know if they used the thumbprint system back then, in Feb. 2009?
Art: That's what I'm told
KP: ok
AH: That was news to me...(he then gives his ah.com plug)
They move on to Joe/gun story.

Maybe Art is trying to say the PDM employees don't "punch" a time clock with a time card as was done in the past, before computers, technology, etc. Didn't Shoemaker say on a NG show that the thumb print system was put in after Feb. 9? It is bugging me now, I will have to go find the transcript.

Also, AH said phone records show Joe used Chelsea's phone to call Tommy.

 

[twall]

Whisp, my understanding is the thumb print system was not the method used when Haleigh was reported missing...It wasn't put in place until afterwards..JMHO

That was my understanding, also.
Why does Art have to make everything so confusing? :banghead:

 

[bessie]

That was my understanding, also.
Why does Art have to make everything so confusing? :banghead:

I remember it that way, as well. Thumbprint scanner put in place after Feb 9. But that is another one of those things that hasn't been verified, so Art could be right. Kim P should know. She gives the impression that she's done a lot of snooping around over at PDM. No? Guess not.

 

[lil momma]

I heard Art say Ron was at work but he didn't clock in.

so how does this hold up? Does PDM have him on video that night working? IMO, that would be the only way to verify he was there. I wouldn't even trust any of the employees statements, and Ron's well, i don't trust his statement anyways.

IMO, if there is no proof you were there, then you probably weren't there....jmo

 

[Emeralgem]

Also, AH said phone records show Joe used Chelsea's phone to call Tommy.
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The above could be prove to be quite informative..If we knew what time he used Chelsey's phone to call Tommy or where he was when he used Chelsey's phone to call Tommy...
Hell-O... I 'm not even asking...WHY he used Chelsey's phone to call Tommy...But I would like a few more details.....JMHO

 

[WatershipDown]

This is around the 21 minute mark

AH: Ronald was at work, he didn't punch in, sources (Shoemaker?) are telling me that his work uses a thumbprint system for id, so nobody could punch in and out for him, now, ya know, sure maybe he could sneak out and uh..
KP, interrupting: He did before, he snuck out before.
AH: For sure, but I'm just saying there's no card, and nobody could impersonate his thumbprint with out him, they couldn't use a card, in any case...
KP, interrupting: Art, do you know if they used the thumbprint system back then, in Feb. 2009?
Art: That's what I'm told
KP: ok
AH: That was news to me...(he then gives his ah.com plug)
They move on to Joe/gun story.

Maybe Art is trying to say the PDM employees don't "punch" a time clock with a time card as was done in the past, before computers, technology, etc. Didn't Shoemaker say on a NG show that the thumb print system was put in after Feb. 9? It is bugging me now, I will have to go find the transcript.

Also, AH said phone records show Joe used Chelsea's phone to call Tommy.

No that isn't what Terry Shoemaker said.

GRACE: Terry a well known attorney in the Jacksonville area. Number one, are there witnesses placing Ronald Cummings at work about 30 minutes before he was supposed to punch in and that he was there until his shift ended, the night shift? Yes, no.

SHOEMAKER: Yes. And it`s not a punch-in, you know, as far as a time clock.

GRACE: Correct.

SHOEMAKER: They actually have to use their fingerprints in order to scan in and check in for work, so...

GRACE: OK. Even better.

SHOEMAKER: ... he definitely was there.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/28/ng.01.html

 

[dodie20]

This is around the 21 minute mark

AH: Ronald was at work, he didn't punch in, sources (Shoemaker?) are telling me that his work uses a thumbprint system for id, so nobody could punch in and out for him, now, ya know, sure maybe he could sneak out and uh..
KP, interrupting: He did before, he snuck out before.
AH: For sure, but I'm just saying there's no card, and nobody could impersonate his thumbprint with out him, they couldn't use a card, in any case...
KP, interrupting: Art, do you know if they used the thumbprint system back then, in Feb. 2009?
Art: That's what I'm told
KP: ok
AH: That was news to me...(he then gives his ah.com plug)
They move on to Joe/gun story.

Maybe Art is trying to say the PDM employees don't "punch" a time clock with a time card as was done in the past, before computers, technology, etc. Didn't Shoemaker say on a NG show that the thumb print system was put in after Feb. 9? It is bugging me now, I will have to go find the transcript.

Also, AH said phone records show Joe used Chelsea's phone to call Tommy.

how does Art know, through phone records, that Joe called Tommy? That call could've come from Chelsea or Timmy, or whoever, or been a call to Lindsey, etc...was it a text, signed with Joe's signature?

 

[lil momma]

how does Art know, through phone records, that Joe called Tommy? That call could've come from Chelsea or Timmy, or whoever, or been a call to Lindsey, etc...was it a text, signed with Joe's signature?

How does Art have access to the phone records of the players in question??????????? JMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

:crazy:

How does Art have access to the phone records of the players in question??????????? JMO

His source gave him certified copies :angel:

Kidding of course. But, it's amazing how much AH's sources come up with that nobody else can isn't it?????

 

[cyberborg]

LOL, krkrjx! Yep, AH just doesn't do it for me! I still want to know where AH is getting all of his information!

Exactly, because AH is the only source of developing info and news from 'inside' then it is eaten up and treated credibly -- when there *may* be a mix of some new facts, or re-gurgitated facts, or creative 'facts'.

AH may speak to Shoemaker but I doubt all of this news is from Shoemaker, word for word. Also Shoemaker represents Ron not HaLeigh.

AH is providing a service but at the same time needs to treat his news making responsibly -- neither an agenda or fairy tales (that no-one can counter him on).

 

[cyberborg]

No that isn't what Terry Shoemaker said.

GRACE: Terry a well known attorney in the Jacksonville area. Number one, are there witnesses placing Ronald Cummings at work about 30 minutes before he was supposed to punch in and that he was there until his shift ended, the night shift? Yes, no.

SHOEMAKER: Yes. And it`s not a punch-in, you know, as far as a time clock.

GRACE: Correct.

SHOEMAKER: They actually have to use their fingerprints in order to scan in and check in for work, so...

GRACE: OK. Even better.

SHOEMAKER: ... he definitely was there.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/28/ng.01.html

Sorry for my skepticism but ... even if Ron did clock into work using a thumb print, even if Ron was seen on video in a part of the plant ... I still consider it highly likely that Ron could sneak out and back in again.

Given the nature of PDM and the tasks performed, it is very spread out with dark areas and different jobs so someone could go missing for quite a while and not be missed by a supervisor or work mate.

I am sure they all took opportunities to disappear or take a nap. Proves little.

 

[lil momma]

wasn't it also said that Ron wasn't working his regular duties that night? (i think it was Shoey) he was doing "yard duty"

So IF no one is actually there, physically watching him work, then it is even more possible that he snuck out...or came in late or left early---which ever the story is these days....

JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

No that isn't what Terry Shoemaker said.

GRACE: Terry a well known attorney in the Jacksonville area. Number one, are there witnesses placing Ronald Cummings at work about 30 minutes before he was supposed to punch in and that he was there until his shift ended, the night shift? Yes, no.

SHOEMAKER: Yes. And it`s not a punch-in, you know, as far as a time clock.

GRACE: Correct.

SHOEMAKER: They actually have to use their fingerprints in order to scan in and check in for work, so...

GRACE: OK. Even better.

SHOEMAKER: ... he definitely was there.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/28/ng.01.html

During this interview, Shoemaker deliberately made it seem as if that system was being used on the night of February 9, 2009. He is talking about the current system in this interview. The fingerprint system was put into service following Haleigh's death. He purposely lets Nancy Grace go on thinking that that system was in place and does not correct the error.

 

[lonetraveler]

wasn't it also said that Ron wasn't working his regular duties that night? (i think it was Shoey) he was doing "yard duty"

So IF no one is actually there, physically watching him work, then it is even more possible that he snuck out...or came in late or left early---which ever the story is these days....

JMO

JMO, but if Ron was trying to establish alibis for his time, he would deliberately be there at starting time and end of shift time in order to be seen on the surveilance video at the gate recording him arriving at work and then leaving work. I seriously doubt if the yard has video systems that would pick up every corner of the back forty. There is really no telling how many times Ron has left during his shift without any video to show it. There are stories out now about him leaving his work and going out to the parking lot to check on two small children sleeping in his car. I'd bet that people at work during those times would swear that Ron was inside the plant at all times of his work shift because they did not see him leave and return through the gates. There are plenty of places to get out of that plant without legitimately clocking out and walking through a gate.

 

[WatershipDown]

During this interview, Shoemaker deliberately made it seem as if that system was being used on the night of February 9, 2009. He is talking about the current system in this interview. The fingerprint system was put into service following Haleigh's death. He purposely lets Nancy Grace go on thinking that that system was in place and does not correct the error.

I'll take Shoemaker's word over the word of someone who can pretend to be anyone they want on the internet. LE verified Ron was at work that night.

 

[Whisperer]

All they say is ron was at work....period. Not once do they say the hours. Why keep it a secret? If he has an airtight alibi...give up the time!

His attorney says his regular work hours started at 5:00pm. I am willing to bet that is what rc told him and rc is a compulsive liar. If by chance that is the correct time, that puts him there till 1:30 for an eight hours shift and 3:30 for a ten hour shift. If I recall correctly, Shoemaker told us he worked overtime by 2 or3 hours (?). The time does not add up...either way.

Shoemaker is padding the time...mo.

 

[Whisperer]

I'll take Shoemaker's word over the word of someone who can pretend to be anyone they want on the internet. LE verified Ron was at work that night.

Shoemaker takes ron's word. Good luck with that!

 

[Whisperer]

For whatever it is worth, I think yard duty was his regular job. If you know rc, he likes to puff himself up to be better than what he is or does.

 

[dodie20]

I'll take Shoemaker's word over the word of someone who can pretend to be anyone they want on the internet. LE verified Ron was at work that night.

Ron may have been at work that night, but what hours? & I think it was Kim P who said the other day, that Ron has been less than upfront about his work hours. She's another attorney, & not just an internet commenter. & out of curiosity, who were you referring to? bloggers? commenters on this site?yourself? I don't see a lot of pretending here.

 

[justus4all]

All they say is ron was at work....period. Not once do they say the hours. Why keep it a secret? If he has an airtight alibi...give up the time!

His attorney says his regular work hours started at 5:00pm. I am willing to bet that is what rc told him and rc is a compulsive liar. If by chance that is the correct time, that puts him there till 1:30 for an eight hours shift and 3:30 for a ten hour shift. If I recall correctly, Shoemaker told us he worked overtime by 2 or3 hours (?). The time does not add up...either way.

Shoemaker is padding the time...mo.

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If I remember correctly...the LE stated...they were satified with the hours he worked....

IMO...That could mean...they were satifed...with the hours...he....worked...(as in...actual.........hours...accountable hours.
not the hours Ron is claiming....he worked...

IMO..Ron is claiming he worked certain hours that night....to cover his...A
Sorry...I have no link..
I agree with you....The LE..do not say the hours..........the LE......KNOWS...