LIBYA - "I WILL DIE A MARTYR" Gadaffi Clinging On To Power Refuses To Go

[Reality Orlando]

It seems not everyone agrees with U. S. Military action in Libya. I admit I know very little about Libya and Khadafi but I thought he was tyrannical. Please explain this video. Why would Louis Farrakhan be upset with the President (who he is directing his comments to) over this? Wouldn't he be pleased that a dictator is removed and people liberated? This scares me. I'm seriously trying to figure out what message is being sent here.

http://www.hapblog.com/2011/03/who-hell-do-you-think-your-are.html

 

[crystalgenie]

I don't waste my time on Louis Farrakhan.

 

[Reality Orlando]

I don't waste my time on Louis Farrakhan.

I've never really listened to him before. Wow.

 

[Kat]

Farrakhan is an extremist IMHO.

He frequently gives speeches that are laced with racisim, anti-semitism and homophobia and anti US govn.

He might also be licking his wounds (JMHO) from having been pushed away by the Obama admin during their campaign.

Farrakhan is so extreme that the Obama camp couldn't distance themselves away from him fast enough when Farrakhan gave his approval of Obama (initially).

I'm with CG, I flip the channel or skip internet articles about this man. He is just too extreme for my tastes and I have no patience for such twisted POV's. Just me and my opinion.

 

[Reality Orlando]

Farrakhan is an extremist IMHO.

He frequently gives speeches that are laced with racisim, anti-semitism and homophobia and anti US govn.

He might also be licking his wounds (JMHO) from having been pushed away by the Obama admin during their campaign.

Farrakhan is so extreme that the Obama camp couldn't distance themselves away from him fast enough when Farrakhan gave his approval of Obama (initially).

I'm with CG, I flip the channel or skip internet articles about this man. He is just too extreme for my tastes and I have no patience for such twisted POV's. Just me and my opinion.

I agree he's too extreme.

 

[bessie]

It seems not everyone agrees with U. S. Military action in Libya. I admit I know very little about Libya and Khadafi but I thought he was tyrannical. Please explain this video. Why would Louis Farrakhan be upset with the President (who he is directing his comments to) over this? Wouldn't he be pleased that a dictator is removed and people liberated? This scares me. I'm seriously trying to figure out what message is being sent here.

http://www.hapblog.com/2011/03/who-hell-do-you-think-your-are.html

Farrakhan and Qaddafi are old cronies. Over the years, Qaddafi has lent major financial support to Farrakhan's causes.

 

[essies]

Here's a crash history course on Gadaffi and the country of Libya.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4JbOlakWZo

[video=youtube;41n2Iu9SC5E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41n2Iu9SC5E[/video]

 

[tiredblondy]

I have searched for the link but cannot find it so I cannot source this but I remember reading when the Libyan army refused to fire on their own people Kadaffi hired thugs to come in and kill people including army who had not followed his orders.

 

[CocoChanel]

"Khadafi is not a puppet dictator of ours."

No he isn't. Not in anyway - shape- or form. No way, no how.

I have been following what is going on there since the OP started the thread and I'm quite unsure exactly what is going on. I'm also unsure why it is we are chosing to bomb Libya at this time. He's been murdering his own people for quite some time and I haven't figured out exactly why we are firing on them.

Not saying we shouldn't. Not saying we should. Just saying I'm not sure as to the why we are at this moment.

How bizarre that this administration should chose to take this action at this point in time.

(FWIW, if the previous administration had chosen this course of action I would also ponder why they were doing it).

all JMHO.

I have similar thoughts Kat. And I have such a flood of emotions about my country using force against another, especially one that I have been to, and who's people welcomed me warmly. One of the most humbling things about visiting Libya in 2005 was realizing what a rich history is there. There are amazing ruins that rival Pompei, and quite a bit of it is still to be uncovered and excavated. The Libyan coastline along the Mediterranean is gorgeous and unspoiled by developement and highrises. The Libyan people are well-educated and gracious, and as I mentioned earlier, want the same things for their families - safety, health and happiness - that we want for ours. I know nothing about military or political strategies, but I do know that any show of force on our part will most likely involve collateral damage to innocent people. Ands now that I have actually been in the homes of some of those people, they are no longer nameless to me. I pray that the leaders my country will make wise decisions in their actions in the coming weeks and months.

 

[momtective]

LIBYA - "I WILL DIE A MARTYR" Gadaffi Clinging On To Power Refuses To Go

All I can say to this is; "Do it already you evil creature!"

 

[essies]

The Arab League is stating they only wanted a "no-fly zone" instituted over Libya and I'm really afraid of what this may turn into. Supposedly, we are joining with the French and British to stop Gadaffi from killing his own people-but won't bombing kill innocent people?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZHxTHOWhoI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NltXfp1iFY
[video=youtube;N4hczhnMBRw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4hczhnMBRw[/video]

 

[burbqueen]

I dont normally support any kind of military action, but from studying Libya in college, Gadaffi needs to be out of power. This should have been done a long time ago, but we have been waiting for the right time and the right rebellion. Now is the time. Hopefully all of the Middle East can ditch their opressive regimes and make out a better life for themselves. yeah, I'm looking at Iran next!

 

[Trident]

The Arab League is stating they only wanted a "no-fly zone" instituted over Libya and I'm really afraid of what this may turn into. Supposedly, we are joining with the French and British to stop Gadaffi from killing his own people-but won't bombing kill innocent people?

Seems like it might, and BTW, didn't we, the USA, kill quite a few of our own people during our own civil war?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Yes, but it also seems these "unusual" people have learned from history as well. In Iraq, they would station weapons depos or ammo warehouses in schools around many, many children so that IF anyone bombed that site it was inevtiable that children would be killed. Then they come out and scream about how the USA or whoever are now killing their children.

Gadaffi said on Saturday (or his spokeperson) that he was going to lay the bodies out that all those missiles killed and have photographers come in. Who's to say that his thugs didn't just go out and slaughter more people to "line them up for the photographers"?

Its a stickey wicket in war for civilian casualities and gets even stickier if you are dealing with a "mad man". KWIM?

 

[Trident]

Yes, but it also seems these "unusual" people have learned from history as well. In Iraq, they would station weapons depos or ammo warehouses in schools around many, many children so that IF anyone bombed that site it was inevtiable that children would be killed. Then they come out and scream about how the USA or whoever are now killing their children.

Gadaffi said on Saturday (or his spokeperson) that he was going to lay the bodies out that all those missiles killed and have photographers come in. Who's to say that his thugs didn't just go out and slaughter more people to "line them up for the photographers"?

Its a stickey wicket in war for civilian casualities and gets even stickier if you are dealing with a "mad man". KWIM?

BBM Seems to me if the US stayed to home and tended our own failing economy, the mess in Iraq, and whatever in 'ell you call it that's going on in Afghanistan, "they" wouldn't be able to say we were killing anyone, would they? If France and England think this is such a problem, let 'em have at it, we have enough troubles of our own.

My opinion only

 

[Wise Old Owl]

BBM Seems to me if the US stayed to home and tended our own failing economy, the mess in Iraq, and whatever in 'ell you call it that's going on in Afghanistan, "they" wouldn't be able to say we were killing anyone, would they? If France and England think this is such a problem, let 'em have at it, we have enough troubles of our own.

My opinion only

ITA - and please don't get me wrong on this. I don't think we belong over there and I certainly don't like that (after France) we "seem" to be taking the lead.

I am so disgusted and even angry that Obama isn't in his office for this! He belongs in his office - FGS we have military operations going on - in Irag, Afghanistan, and NOW we're just starting lin Libya. OUR SOLIDERS are in harm's way. And he is off in Rio.

I know, I know, he can be "updated" and "informed" where he is - but I believe for something this serious - HE NEEDS TO BE IN HIS OFFICE! Meeting with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Pentagon, his cabinet, etc.

It just burns my butt!!!! :furious: :furious:

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Welcome to our THIRD war!

 

[Herding Cats]

ITA - and please don't get me wrong on this. I don't think we belong over there and I certainly don't like that (after France) we "seem" to be taking the lead.

I am so disgusted and even angry that Obama isn't in his office for this! He belongs in his office - FGS we have military operations going on - in Irag, Afghanistan, and NOW we're just starting lin Libya. OUR SOLIDERS are in harm's way. And he is off in Rio.

I know, I know, he can be "updated" and "informed" where he is - but I believe for something this serious - HE NEEDS TO BE IN HIS OFFICE! Meeting with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Pentagon, his cabinet, etc.

It just burns my butt!!!! :furious: :furious:

I agree...it sends the wrong message to have him in Rio at this time; while I don't necessarily disagree with him attending functions and whatnot, I hope no picture shows up of him dancing and seemingly "partying" (you know what I mean) while our military is taking action in Libya.

It would totally send the wrong message, you know? Like "meh, so what. We're killing folks in Libya, let's go dance!" And I know that would not be what was happening, but...it would be the picture the world remembers.

And tbh, I don't think that we'd've seen either President Bushes not being at home and at the WH while we are taking military action - at least in the initial stages.

And like others have said, I'm not sure why we are doing this now. I think, although I may be wrong, that now was chosen because there is an alliance with Nato who want to do something, so we let them decide, and we're just carrying out our part. We often cry "let someone else do it!!!", and I think that if this is the plan, we are supporting our allies in their decision...sort of a quid pro quo deal. They've backed us, so we are trying to back them...so they'll keep backing us, et cetera.

I will say I'm not happy with this whole thing...but I will also say I'm not exactly sure why I'm not happy with it.

Best-
Herding Cats

 

[burbqueen]

People have to see the bigger picture. The whole point of the UN and NATO actions is for a Middle Eastern do over. Go look up the histroy of the middle east during WWII. They carved it up once the Ottomans were gone. Unfortunately in the 50's and 60's various despots and dictators ousted puppet princes and kings friendly to the West and the rest is history.

We want and need allies in the middle east. For oil, trade, power and various other reason. Anytime there is a chance to drive some dictator out will be favorable to the U.S. no matter who is in office. IMO Democrat, Republican or whomever. It doesnt matter.

 

[gitana1]

I'm sorry whenever there is a war no matter how just the cause seems. Because innocent civilians are always casualties no matter how careful the "intervention" is. And this is a war. We can call it no fly zone or whatever, but this is war.

But, I also think this is a "just" one. Yes, Kaddafi has been a brutal dictator for decades, killing, torturing his own people. But this is different. This is mass genocide of his own people, many of whom are unarmed. I watched a video, may have been posted on here, in which you could hear the gunfire as Kaddafi's regime just gunned down innocent civilians on the street. I felt such horror listening to that. His son warned there would be blood on the streets if protesters continued to agitate against the government and he kept his promise, the creep.

Is this just a civil war, as Kaddafi suggest? I don't think so. Civil war is usually between two factions that are closely matched when it comes to weaponry, IMO. Sure, there may be more people in Libya who support Kaddafi's ouster than military personnel on his side, but most of those people are probably not fighting and they cannot come close to comparing to his military when it comes to firepower. That's why the rebels have begun fleeing in recent days - Kaddafi's air force was just bombing the carp out of them. They lack the resources to defend against that.

I'm glad that the U.S. has not taken this cause up on its own. We cannot continually act as the police of the world. We have too many problems and too few resources as a result, to continue along that path. But I am very glad that we are part of a coalition of nations that together have decided enough is enough and are trying to stop the genocide. Too many countries stood by and did nothing for far too long when the Jews were decimated during Hitler's regime. I remember that whenever I see the wholesale slaughter of a people and I always ask: "Why isn't anybody doing anything to stop this?"