LIfe as a fence sitter

[UKGuy]

That's exactly what I said. That I didn't think she HAD been jabbed with the broken paintbrush because there would be more damage to her vagina than is shown. I said that I felt the splinter was left there from the digital penetration, done by whoever broke the paintbrush.

DeeDee249

So why digitally penetrate JonBenet, then cover it all up, where is the percentage in that?

Also I am beginning to think that although a paintbrush was used, it may not have been used outside the wine-cellar door?

Not only is the forensic evidence inconsistent, there is also no recorded evidence, blood, dna, hair etc, from outside the wine-cellar door?

Also I assume JonBenet was undressed to digitally assault her, so at this point her urine-soaked long-johns would be evident?

JonBenet's Vaginal Trauma Sequence

1. Digitally penetrated
2. Bleeding occurs
3. Blood wiped away using the size-6's
4. Redressed in the size-12's

Now whether JonBenet was penetrated digitally or by the paintbrush cannot hide the fact she was alive when it happened, since she bled?

So the person(s) involved were not only possibly engaging in staging but wanted JonBenet dead?

Or there was an initial digital sexual asssault with the paintbrush being used to mask this?

The missing piece of the paintbrush handle is critical here since it can tell us to what extent it was staging, if it was inserted inside JonBenet, then this confirms what the garrote alludes to e.g. ritualistic staging.


Otherwise why sexually assault JonBenet digitally then cover it all up?


.

 

[DeeDee249]

The only reason I can think of to cover up the sexual assault is that at the time the sexual assault, resultant bleeding and coverup, the perp had not intended to kill her. But she screamed, she was bashed to shut her up.
Here's how I see it MAY have happened: (keep in mind that like some of you, I have more than one theory about exactly how it happened. ALL my theories involve the Rs)
JBR is sexually digitaly assaulted, probably in the basement.
The assault causes bleeding and the pain causes JBR to scream.
She is bashed on the head in a knee-jerk reaction to shut her up quickly.
The blow causes her to lose consciousness instantly, and she possibly convulses, but is obviously gravely injured to the point where the injury is irreversible and the abuser knows she will die.
So there are THREE things to cover up. A dead child, a sexual penetration, and the head bash. The head bash isn't obvious. But it killed her. So another reason for her death must be put forth. To this end, the garrotte, made from materials at hand just steps away, is applied to make it look like a strangulation.
The sexual abuse was also conveniently covered up with the same paintbrush as used to make the garrotte. The insertion of the paintbrush, especially if it was left inside, completely (in the mind of the abuser) will hide any evidence of anyone penetrating her with a finger.
She was redressed in the identical-but-too-large panties, which the killer knew was handily right there in the basement, wrapped up to give as a gift.
After she was wiped down, redressed in the panties, then her long johns were pulled back on and she was wrapped in the blanket that the killer knew was right there in the basement dryer, accidentally pulling the Barbie nightie out with it. It is not noticed in the dark with only a flashlight.
The urine release is post-mortem.
BUT- this puzzles me. If the stagers didn't notice the urine because they wrapped her in the blanket and left her in the basement, then the blanket would have gotten wet also. If they knew about the urine, then they wrapped her afterwards. I lean towards this- there were no other pairs of Wednesday Bloomies panties available, and JBR was a well-known bedwetter, so I think they just didn't deal with it.

 

[JMO8778]

JMO, I play the above version over in my head too. I just can't get a grip on John Ramsey's part in this. Here is my major stumbling block. Would Patsy uphold John if John killed JonBenet. Was she that money-grubbing that she would side with her husband over the one human she said she loved more than life itself? Many wives do, in fact, take that attitude even when a lot less money and prestige are involved.

I think she would have,I think either of them would have covered for the other.Remember JR was big CEO...he had a rep.to maintain,and Patsy had a lifestyle she wanted to maintain.

Something just does not fit in all this unless Patsy and John were both involved or unless they are protecting Burke. Another possibility I dwell on is that any possible sexual abuse, if not from Patsy as a corporal punishment, was an unrelated event to JonBenet's death.

personally I don't think BR was involved,but I consider both the above as well.

I just think Steve Thomas's theory is the only one that fits all the evidence except he doesn't think John was involved. Maybe I need to read that chapter again. I've already read it twice this week and keep interpreting it that Thomas doesn't think John was involved. What am I missing here????

JR's fiber evidence wasn't in when he wrote the book.I think he may have suspected from the RN the JR was involved in the staging,but just didn't have proof of it since at the time,as all the fiber evidence pointed only to Patsy then.
Go back and read the RN again..I think I posted several links in regards to it under the Why were JB's arms over her head? thread.I really think JR had his .02 worth in that note,to point to former AG employees.I think Patsy was too shaken to have come up with all that on her own...look at her behavior...she had the same clothes on from the prior evening at the White's,JB had the same top on,and yet she calls the White's over...never thinking that might seem strange to them...she wasn't thinking.I think JR was guiding her.And then JR takes a shower,but Patsy does not.I think he was washing off forensic evidence from the staging.
And I think JR was more likely to have tied that knot,from sailing experience.And the ligatures are staged to resemble a sexual bondage type scenario,and I don't think Patsy would have come up w. that on her own.
And lastly is JR's behavior,b/f and after the murder.I don't think he would have considered leaving the country if all he was guilty of is covering for Patsy..I think he'd have turned her in first.
That's the short version,whew,I feel like I might have left a lot out.

The only thing left I want to point out is that humans relate to each other based on (you know the song...) respect...JR had no respect for marriage nor for his first wife,not for church either (by that I mean adultery,and he couldn't even recite a single bible verse),and I think that translated over to JB as well.
And Patsy too...she had no respect for JB,not once thinking of her,making her do the pageants and turning her into a mini-me,not addressing her soiling and vaginal issues..etc.
Now look at the way BOTH JR and Patsy behaved after JB's death...they've betrayed her to this day,(Patsy till the day she died),so I don't think it would be a stretch of the imagination to think that JR WAS sexually abusing JB.His basic lack of respect for others says to me that it's entirely possible.Patsy's lack of respect for JB says to me she could have covered for JR,after all, she put herself and her own wants and wishes b/f JB's.
BOTH of them demonstrate(d) a complete lack of respect for their own daughter.With that in mind,I think anything was possible.

 

[JMO8778]

If the staging was to direct attention away from the real reason JonBenet died, and a sexual assault was part of the staging, how can sexual abuse be a part of the real reason JonBenet died?

I think it was staged to look like it was done by a pedo,in order to point away from family members.same ole same ole..stage it to look like something a parent could never in a million yrs do ..nothing but irony to point away from themselves.

Also,a sexual staging could be an attempt to hide past abuse.IOW-if any abuse was noted,set it up to appear a family member couldn't have done it.So that could work the opposite way as well...IF there was no sexual abuse going on,then why the attempt to hide any?

 

[Ames]

Guys,
I have this posted on a thread, but for some reason, nobody seems to be replying to it...CK is the only one so far. SO, I am going to post it on a number of different threads, to make sure that it is read. Make your comments about it, on the thread that I started about it, though...if you don't mind. I found this very interesting....and I think that you will to.

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This little diddy was posted over at FFJ by the poster by the name of LITTLE. Little gave me permission to bring it over here, for you guys to read. ENJOY!!!

The Watcher
Saturday, August 25, 2007 The world according to theis old Lawdog http://chetbowen.pieksma.com
Silent Night - A Cry In The Night
By Chet Bowen | August 14, 2007 - 11:42 pm - Posted in Survival, The world, Uncategorized
Silent Night - A Cry In The Night

Some people have called this horrible travesty of justice The Perfect Crime. But in reality it’s a crime that investigators within Boulder City Police Dept. has conclusively made public who they know to be the killer of one JonBenet Ramsey. I haven’t been a fanatic on following the progress of this murder but have listened with keen interest to any updates that might shed some light as to what led up to the fate of JonBenet. The murder of JonBenet Ramsey shocked the nation to its core. It shook me to the core.

Lately I began researching enough data regarding the information available and from all accounts of what Det. Steve Thomas had started until his resignation out of disgust of the treachery and deceit within the district attorney’s office which was being run by Alex Hunter. It was through this murder that Det. Thomas had made the revelation and reality of how disheartning his profession had become and the corrupt nature of DA Alex Hunter who cared for nothing but his political agenda and plea bargaining with some of the most horrendous criminals one can almost imagine. Alex HUnter, after all the years he served as district attorney had not once sent anyone to prison with a single death sentence. His style was to plea bargain regardless of the crime. The JonBonet Ramsey case was a clear presentation of a monster who was just as bad the killer themself in that Hunter cared more about votes than punishing criminals for their deeds. Has anyone ever wondered why Hunter was so chumsy with the Ramsey family?

John Mark Karr was the only person arrested in connection to JonBenet’s murder and after being extradicted back from Bangkok the case against him quickly fell apart because his story didn’t match up with facts known about her murder. He stated that he had drugged and sexaully assaulted her when in fact the autopsy report dictated that she had not been sexually assault, though there was evidence of chronic sexual abuse. Also, his DNA did not match the DNA evidence recovered from JonBenet’s underwear at the murder scene. He also stated he had picked up JonBonet at school when in fact school was closed on Christmas Day.
In the interest of hoping justice would be served, Det. Thomas tolerated it, except for those closed door sessions when detectives protested in frustration and where detectives demanded that the right things be done. But the right things weren’t being down. Det. Thomas in his resignation letter stated that DA Alex Hunter made every effort possible to sway detectives to conduct their investigation based on the intruder theory, when in fact it wasn’t possible of an intruder to have come from the outside because of the weather conditions where fresh snow was on the ground and no footprints of any kind could be found outside. Where JonBonet’s body was found played a primary factor that there was no intruder.

I am myself certified as a document examiner and trained in detecting deceit within hand writing. This training became very useful in my conclusion of who the killer is. I was given the opportunity of analyzing a copy of the hand written statements of the Ramseys and it was concluded that the prime suspect in JonBonet’s murder was her own mother….Patsy Ramsey. I don’t think she murdered her with any fore thought or premeditation on her part but I do certainly believe this woman to be the one who killed her. There is strong suggestion that Mrs. Ramsey could have killed her out of momentary rage. JonBonet was known to wet the bed often and Mrs. Ramsey may have become very irritated after a long and trying day. It was noted in the autopsy that no laceration was present when her skull had been fractured. The only explanation of this kind of fracture would be typical of someone’s head being violently thrown against the smooth edge of a tub or toilet.

Could her 9 year old brother at the time could have killed her? It’s possible because it was known that JonBonet slept in the same room with Burke Ramsey often. He had motive because he was always put on the back burner for attention when JonBonet was given all the attention from Patsy and dear old dad was always gone on business.

Fleet Russell White was best friends with John Ramsey until after the murder. Mr. White was so convinced that the Ramsey’s were involved with her slaying that the last words he spoke to John Ramsey before they parted way was, “The next time I see you, I hope it’s in a court room.”

Innocent people were not “cleared”, publicly or otherwise, even when it was unmistakably the right thing to do, as reputations and lives were destroyed. Some in the district attorney’s office, to this day, pursue weak, defenseless, and innocent people in shameless tactics that one couldn’t believe more bizarre if it were made up. That very thing happens right here in Louisiana. I fear such tactics may have infected our judicial system throughout this great nation.

In conclusion without drawing this out into a long story, there is reliable information that can be gathered via the internet. Such resources include resignation letters from Det. Thomas and why he resigned, to the autopsy report on JonBenet. A word of caution. There are many web sites out there that differs from my own opinion and as such extreme caution should be excersized before concluding what you read is a fact. I only base my conclusion on 22 years of law enforcement and the training and available documents at the time I had in the opportunity to analyze documents submitted to me during initial training. All the document examiners that were present at the training facility where I was at in Baton Rouge came to the same conclusion as I, that one Patsy Ramsey was the killer, though she has since died from ovarian cancer.

Kind regards,
Capt. C. Bowen

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[BOESP]

I think she would have,I think either of them would have covered for the other.Remember JR was big CEO...he had a rep.to maintain,and Patsy had a lifestyle she wanted to maintain.

personally I don't think BR was involved,but I consider both the above as well.


JR's fiber evidence wasn't in when he wrote the book.I think he may have suspected from the RN the JR was involved in the staging,but just didn't have proof of it since at the time,as all the fiber evidence pointed only to Patsy then.
Go back and read the RN again..I think I posted several links in regards to it under the Why were JB's arms over her head? thread.I really think JR had his .02 worth in that note,to point to former AG employees.I think Patsy was too shaken to have come up with all that on her own...look at her behavior...she had the same clothes on from the prior evening at the White's,JB had the same top on,and yet she calls the White's over...never thinking that might seem strange to them...she wasn't thinking.I think JR was guiding her.And then JR takes a shower,but Patsy does not.I think he was washing off forensic evidence from the staging.
And I think JR was more likely to have tied that knot,from sailing experience.And the ligatures are staged to resemble a sexual bondage type scenario,and I don't think Patsy would have come up w. that on her own.
And lastly is JR's behavior,b/f and after the murder.I don't think he would have considered leaving the country if all he was guilty of is covering for Patsy..I think he'd have turned her in first.
That's the short version,whew,I feel like I might have left a lot out.

The only thing left I want to point out is that humans relate to each other based on (you know the song...) respect...JR had no respect for marriage nor for his first wife,not for church either (by that I mean adultery,and he couldn't even recite a single bible verse),and I think that translated over to JB as well.
And Patsy too...she had no respect for JB,not once thinking of her,making her do the pageants and turning her into a mini-me,not addressing her soiling and vaginal issues..etc.
Now look at the way BOTH JR and Patsy behaved after JB's death...they've betrayed her to this day,(Patsy till the day she died),so I don't think it would be a stretch of the imagination to think that JR WAS sexually abusing JB.His basic lack of respect for others says to me that it's entirely possible.Patsy's lack of respect for JB says to me she could have covered for JR,after all, she put herself and her own wants and wishes b/f JB's.
BOTH of them demonstrate(d) a complete lack of respect for their own daughter.With that in mind,I think anything was possible.

JMO, thank you very much for the extremely well-thought-out opinion on JonBenet's death. I appreciate you taking your time to put that together.

I wish it was clearer on the 911 tape whether or not Burke said "What do I do?" or "What did I do?" John responded, "We're not talking to you." His response would fit either question, but have different connotations depending on what Burke actually said.

This week I stumbled upon a portion of Linda Arndt's interview with Elizabeth Vargas. Arndt told Vargas that the next day the mother was stoned out of her head on sedatives and the father was in a drunken stupor (my paraphrasing) and here's the link http://www.webbsleuths.com/cgi-bin/dcf/dcboard.cgi?az=printer_format&forum=DCForumID101&om=194&omm=8

That isn't unusual in itself, particularly if there is a past pattern of dealing with stress via prescription and liquor, but to act in that manner before you've given police the necessary information that might help them eliminate you and help them catch an Intruder, well, it's pretty unusual to behave that way. I wonder if there is evidence John drank when Beth died?

Like you, I see that marriage as a marriage of convenience. Maybe Arndt will write a book. What Arndt said about Patsy being imprisoned by secrets, coupled with Patsy's tombstone inscription, tells me there's more to the story. I would suspect Steve Thomas won't be able to write another book because of the terms of settlement ... you know the one ... Ramsey versus Thomas and his Publisher, where the Ramsey's settled for $$$$ instead of the principles claimed in the suit.

 

[JMO8778]

JMO, thank you very much for the extremely well-thought-out opinion on JonBenet's death. I appreciate you taking your time to put that together.

YW,I can't help but think JR was in on the cover up sooner,although Patsy may have (likely) inflicted the head wound and manual strangulation.

I wish it was clearer on the 911 tape whether or not Burke said "What do I do?" or "What did I do?" John responded, "We're not talking to you." His response would fit either question, but have different connotations depending on what Burke actually said.

Thomas' book says what everyone heard was BR saying "Please,what do I do?"..as if he hears that something is very wrong (in the phone call) and wants to know what to do.And then JR snaps at him "We are not talking to you!",and BR asks "What DID you find?" ..emphasis on did.

This week I stumbled upon a portion of Linda Arndt's interview with Elizabeth Vargas. Arndt told Vargas that the next day the mother was stoned out of her head on sedatives and the father was in a drunken stupor (my paraphrasing) and here's the link http://www.webbsleuths.com/cgi-bin/dcf/dcboard.cgi?az=printer_format&forum=DCForumID101&om=194&omm=8

That isn't unusual in itself, particularly if there is a past pattern of dealing with stress via prescription and liquor, but to act in that manner before you've given police the necessary information that might help them eliminate you and help them catch an Intruder, well, it's pretty unusual to behave that way. I wonder if there is evidence John drank when Beth died?

I don't know,but I agree,seems they'd want to stay sober and sharp in order to help catch the killer.
JR's comments when he was drinking are odd..he reportedly said "I'm so sorry,I'm so sorry..." and then later his comments to (I don't recall who,he may have been sober then) "I regret,I regret...".What was he sorry about and what did he regret?
And then Patsy's comments under medication are strange "We didn't mean for this to happen".

Like you, I see that marriage as a marriage of convenience. Maybe Arndt will write a book. What Arndt said about Patsy being imprisoned by secrets, coupled with Patsy's tombstone inscription, tells me there's more to the story. I would suspect Steve Thomas won't be able to write another book because of the terms of settlement ... you know the one ... Ramsey versus Thomas and his Publisher, where the Ramsey's settled for $$$$ instead of the principles claimed in the suit.

It's a shame if he can't,I'd really like to hear from him again in book format.

 

[BOESP]

...
Thomas' book says what everyone heard was BR saying "Please,what do I do?"..as if he hears that something is very wrong (in the phone call) and wants to know what to do.And then JR snaps at him "We are not talking to you!",and BR asks "What DID you find?" ..emphasis on did.



I don't know,but I agree,seems they'd want to stay sober and sharp in order to help catch the killer.
JR's comments when he was drinking are odd..he reportedly said "I'm so sorry,I'm so sorry..." and then later his comments to (I don't recall who,he may have been sober then) "I regret,I regret...".What was he sorry about and what did he regret?
And then Patsy's comments under medication are strange "We didn't mean for this to happen".



It's a shame if he can't,I'd really like to hear from him again in book format.

Thanks JMO for the quote from Thomas's book. I haven't re-read that part yet. I expect Thomas knows for sure what was said. I wonder why Burke thought he was supposed to "do" something after John said they weren't talking "to him."

That "I'm sorry. I'm sorry." and Patsy's "We didn't mean for this to happen," are pretty incriminating in my book.

Also, I was only speculating about Thomas not being able to write another book. Maybe he can. I sure hope so.

 

[Ames]

Thanks JMO for the quote from Thomas's book. I haven't re-read that part yet. I expect Thomas knows for sure what was said. I wonder why Burke thought he was supposed to "do" something after John said they weren't talking "to him."

That "I'm sorry. I'm sorry." and Patsy's "We didn't mean for this to happen," are pretty incriminating in my book.

Also, I was only speculating about Thomas not being able to write another book. Maybe he can. I sure hope so.

Patsy also reached up and touched a friends face..while lying down..and said.."Could you please fix this for us".....like she was talking about mending a sock.

 

[BBB167893]

And only a parent would NOT have used full force...IMO....for the same reason that they wrapped her "lovingly" in a blanket...like a "papoose".

That's where I was going to end up, Ames.

 

[BOESP]

Perhaps the person did not use full force?

And only a parent would NOT have used full force...IMO....for the same reason that they wrapped her "lovingly" in a blanket...like a "papoose".

I'm still trying to tie up loose ends as a former fence sitter. I agree with you two that only a parent would not use full force but I also don't see any reason JonBenet should have been purposely hit in the head then strangled with a ligature if an Intruder did it.

If a kidnapper took JonBenet from the bedroom, why not put tape on the mouth, bind her hands and legs with cord and/or wrap her in a blanket and carry her out over the shoulder? She wouldn't be hard to subdue.

If an Intruder wanted to kill JonBenet in the basement, why not just use your glove-covered hands to manually strangle her (or your non-gloved hands, depending on the fence sitter's viewpoint)?

If you are an Intruder who just wants to kill JonBenet to get back at John, why not just beat her over the head and leave her for John to find or else strangle her and leave her for John to find. Anyone into sadistic killing for pleasure would have done far more than hit her head and lightly pull a ligature around the neck that basically served only to cut off her airway. An Intruder after John is not going to hide the body. They would blatantly expose the poor child for effect, knowing it will increase John's reaction and hurt.

These things are what pushed me to the RDI side of the fence and keep me there. This case will never be prosecuted. That bothers me a lot.

 

[icedtea4me]

If a kidnapper took JonBenet from the bedroom, why not put tape on the mouth, bind her hands and legs with cord and/or wrap her in a blanket and carry her out over the shoulder? She wouldn't be hard to subdue.

Precisely. Then you carry her down the spiral staircase, then down the stairs into the butler kitchen, and out the door. Voila!


-Tea

 

[BOESP]

Precisely. Then you carry her down the spiral staircase, then down the stairs into the butler kitchen, and out the door. Voila!


-Tea

Well, Tea, I think you've successfully eliminated the Kidnapper Theory.

What about the Intruder bent on sadistic pedophilia or the Intruder bent on getting back at John.

I've always thought someone who wanted to get John, if they were from a foreign faction, would rig a bomb to Patsy's car but then I tend to think that way. :innocent:

 

[Squishified]

Well, Tea, I think you've successfully eliminated the Kidnapper Theory.

What about the Intruder bent on sadistic pedophilia or the Intruder bent on getting back at John.

I've always thought someone who wanted to get John, if they were from a foreign faction, would rig a bomb to Patsy's car but then I tend to think that way. :innocent:

That's funny! That would have gotten the message across.

 

[JMO8778]

I've always thought someone who wanted to get John, if they were from a foreign faction, would rig a bomb to Patsy's car but then I tend to think that way. :innocent:

I don't think it's quite so far off.Remember the jetliner overseas that was shot down by the navy many yrs ago?the case was featured on Unsolved Mysteries,and the Capt's wife did indeed get a bomb put on her car,thought to be placed by those seeing revenge on him.(she survived).

what I think of when something like a terrorist group is mentioned is snipers,automatic weapons and such.I would have closed the curtains and stayed away from the windows that morning,if it were my house.But Patsy stayed in the sunroom,seemingly unafraid,and JR let her as well.As well as BR was sent away,with FW and with no police protection for either of them.

 

[JMO8778]

Precisely. Then you carry her down the spiral staircase, then down the stairs into the butler kitchen, and out the door. Voila!


-Tea

exactly ! you don't stop to leave a note if you're a pedo,you LEAVE.If you're a KN,you bring the note with you,already penned in case the family comes home early and there's no time to write one.And as such,leave the note,not in a place where you have to step over it to get out..it's too imprt to risk doing that.and getting the child out of the house it too imprt to have to worry about stepping on the note.place it somewhere it can be seen but not stepped on,get the child,and LEAVE.either way,the intruder would EXIT the house,child in tow,asap.he would not stop to assault her,even if he was a pedo KN.(from a SFF at that). the '2 gentlemen' in the note would be anxiously waiting for him,likely in a getaway car.
now if you want to say the pedo cell phoned the 2 others and said he was running late..then where are the records from that?surely they could have been retrieved??

 

[BOESP]

That's funny! That would have gotten the message across.

I don't think it's quite so far off.Remember the jetliner overseas that was shot down by the navy many yrs ago?the case was featured on Unsolved Mysteries,and the Capt's wife did indeed get a bomb put on her car,thought to be placed by those seeing revenge on him.(she survived).

what I think of when something like a terrorist group is mentioned is snipers,automatic weapons and such.I would have closed the curtains and stayed away from the windows that morning,if it were my house.But Patsy stayed in the sunroom,seemingly unafraid,and JR let her as well.As well as BR was sent away,with FW and with no police protection for either of them.

I think snipers are the American way, mostly. This was a FOREIGN faction.

 

[Ames]

Precisely. Then you carry her down the spiral staircase, then down the stairs into the butler kitchen, and out the door. Voila!


-Tea

Exactly...and not feed her pineapple, have yourself a glass of tea, and then somehow manage to convince her to go down to the basement with you, look for a flashlight, find a flashlight, the batteries are dead, so you search for more batteries...its a MIRACLE...you find them!!! WOW!!! What LUCK!!! Find rope and tape...bind, molest and kill her, right under the parents noses....when scooting out the door, would have been SOOOO much easier.

 

[Ames]

exactly ! you don't stop to leave a note if you're a pedo,you LEAVE.If you're a KN,you bring the note with you,already penned in case the family comes home early and there's no time to write one.And as such,leave the note,not in a place where you have to step over it to get out..it's too imprt to risk doing that.and getting the child out of the house it too imprt to have to worry about stepping on the note.place it somewhere it can be seen but not stepped on,get the child,and LEAVE.either way,the intruder would EXIT the house,child in tow,asap.he would not stop to assault her,even if he was a pedo KN.(from a SFF at that). the '2 gentlemen' in the note would be anxiously waiting for him,likely in a getaway car.
now if you want to say the pedo cell phoned the 2 others and said he was running late..then where are the records from that?surely they could have been retrieved??

This is one of the things that gets me....how can IDI's still be IDI's....when they take a look at that RN? I agree...why would a member of a foreign faction, WAIT until he got into the home, to look for something to write with and on....to make that almost three page RN? Why not write it beforehand...when he had as much time as he needed, without the risk of getting caught??? I would just LOVE to hear ONE single IDI explaination...(HOTYH, are you there?)....as to why an intruder would WAIT until he got into the home, to write the RN....when he could have done it earlier, where he could have taken his sweet time, without fear of being caught...and without having to look for a pad and something to write with??

 

[JMO8778]

This is one of the things that gets me....how can IDI's still be IDI's....when they take a look at that RN? I agree...why would a member of a foreign faction, WAIT until he got into the home, to look for something to write with and on....to make that almost three page RN? Why not write it beforehand...when he had as much time as he needed, without the risk of getting caught??? I would just LOVE to hear ONE single IDI explaination...(HOTYH, are you there?)....as to why an intruder would WAIT until he got into the home, to write the RN....when he could have done it earlier, where he could have taken his sweet time, without fear of being caught...and without having to look for a pad and something to write with??

no kidding,b/f I had kids,and even now sometimes,I can't find a piece of ppr bigger than the notepads I usually keep around,which are the small ones.how did perp know Patsy had a writing tablet,or even that the kids might have some notebook ppr there he could write on? or that he'd have time to even write one?
and the cord...and something to make a garrotte with..wow, was that just dumb luck or what???I don't think so...only the R's would know what's in their house.