Lindsey Baum "important"

[onamission7304]

SeriouslySearching

I tell family the same thing not to read on these sites people can be mean. I know from reading all the stuff that was posted regarding my niece Amber Dubois. I stayed away for a long time I just didn't want to read the mean stuff that was posted on so many sites.

Thank you for all you do!

 

[RainyGirl]

I have followed Lindsey's story closely from the beginning, and she remains an important part of my family's daily prayers. Just tonight, I got teary-eyed again hearing my sweet daughter's bedtime prayer for "all the lost and missing kids out there.....'specially Lindsey down south of here".

I intend to drive down and help out for the next search.......do anything I can. My schedule is finally lightening up so I to help out (more than putting up flyers around my area). I can hardly stand to hear the local news, but at least Lindsey's face and info are still out there (although less and less often). Sweet sweet Lindsey girl.....where are you, honey??? We'll never stop praying for you and your family.

ETA: My bud Ron (from a local radio program here) had a great idea for this coming holiday weekend. If everybody in the search radius that owns property could just spend some time walking their own acreage (some very big areas we're talking about)....then we could grid off some more spots. Then its not an issue for getting search warrants or permission from landowners for volunteers to search those areas. Let's try and appeal to the landowners themselves......ask them, "When's the last time you actually walked your own property? Have any old barns or storage sheds or junk cars you never look at?" As much as we desire to bring Lindsey home safe and well.......we need to search for her regardless of whatever may have transpired.


PS! I forgot to mention that for anyone searching last weekend, Ron was the super-fit guy with the sweetest basset hound in the world......"Nola" (a rescue doggie). I hope you guys know that he is a HUGE advocate for Lindsey and is very, very active in getting people involved in her case. I just love the man!!
Peace XOXO

 

[SeriouslySearching]

SeriouslySearching

I tell family the same thing not to read on these sites people can be mean. I know from reading all the stuff that was posted regarding my niece Amber Dubois. I stayed away for a long time I just didn't want to read the mean stuff that was posted on so many sites.

Thank you for all you do!

We do try not to be mean, but I could see how a family member may take what is being said as such. There are sites out there that I would not recommend anyone ever read. They are filled with vile messages and rogue posters. WS doesn't allow it here. Our mods try to be fair about what we can and cannot post.

I am very sorry about Amber. My heart truly goes out to you and the rest of her family. I have not followed her case closely, but I will read up on it. If I can assist in any way, please feel free to ask.

 

[scandi]

When we work on any case we look at all the people involved in the child's life from the people who are closest to her and work our way out. It is not meant to offend anyone. LE doesn't do that to offend either, but to rule people out. Maybe the threads you saw were from much earlier in the case before MB was ruled out by LE stating she passed her LDT. However, there was one thread that was pulled when discussing things which went far beyond that scope.

We normally don't advise family members to read the investigation threads here, IIRC. There is a forum set up for information for family members in another location. We go into so many graphic details here and most would be uncomfortable with reading such things.

No one is out to disparage the family. We are only trying to figure out what could have happened to Lindsey. People do have to be ruled out as we go along. This means we do get into personal areas, but we try to be factual and gather information from credible sources.

ITA SS, except I think what ever onamission is referring to was in the very beginning of the case as that one thread where the newbie brought over an off the wall comment was only a couple of weeks ago.

At first Onamission I thought you had to be talking about another Lindsey forum as there are several. I am abashed, as I have read nothing personally negative about MB written here. We have so many locals here that this forum has become almost it's own little community, all centered on finding Lindsey and bringing her home.

At first there were many who wondered why the preteens in the town were allowed so much freedom, staying out past dark, and such. That is the only thing I can think of, and if it is true as we have read, it is not against one person. Lindsey was not the only one known to be out past dark. In fact we have likened that to the way it used to be when many of us were growing up.

ETA: And that also falls under the category of diligent sleuthing of the case. For if someone knew her usual activities or habits it might have led to an opportunity to take her. Thus where she would usually go and about what time and with who might be important to know about.

I welcome you to WS and hope you join with us in trying to solve this puzzle. xox

 

[kageykaren]

I'm not an insistive person towards any family who is suffering with a form of grief we may never experience. Neverless it is traumatic and many of us have shared in that which is why we joined W/S. It is best family looks at other websites to stay motivated for Lindsey. Tricias site isn't for the sensitive as all aspects of crime are looked into and we all have our own experience to add. Name calling, rudeness, arguing, defending, not defending just have no place. People do have opinions about certain aspects of a crime and should be able to share these even when playing devils advocate. My thing is the psychology behind Lindsey's last month, week, & day in McCleary. Applying that to every aspect of a rumor of her days spent is required because there truly are very few leads to count on. Ex: Would it be wrong if we inquired about MB's dating history? I think it is a valid question. If someone bashes her for dating that would be off limits unless it applys to Lindsey's well being. I'm about ready to call LE and aske as a private citizen how they feel we should help? Put it right back on them! Where is the Mayor! Town Hall Meeting might be needed as Holloween is comming for the children & McCleary as it stands is pretty scary.

 

[onamission7304]

I am sorry if I offened anyone on this site: My intention was to let everyone know that if they come to the Lindsey search center to please leave their egos behind them. This is not directed to anyone person but to all searchers.
When we go to help a family of a missing child and set up searches we always tell people the very same thing leave egos behind you that it is about the missing child not anyone or anything else.

I did not mean to make it sound like I was attacking anyone person I was not pointing fingers at anyone person on here or anywhere else.

I have told MB not to read the post on any of the sites because somethings are said that may need to be stated, I know first hand how hard it is to stay off these sights when Amber first went missing I would get so upset about the things posted on all kinds of sites about Amber and the family. I quit reading anything for about 4 months. So please don't feel like I was making a personal attack on anyone.

www.bringamberhome.com

 

[concentric]

Thank you onamission for reminding me of your niece, Amber. I did read the news articles when she disappeared. Then I got involved in some other cases. Because of the time that went by, I thought that surely she must have been found. I'm going to read the threads from the beginning and concentrate on her case as well.

 

[distracted]

I am sorry if I offened anyone on this site: My intention was to let everyone know that if they come to the Lindsey search center to please leave their egos behind them. This is not directed to anyone person but to all searchers.
When we go to help a family of a missing child and set up searches we always tell people the very same thing leave egos behind you that it is about the missing child not anyone or anything else.

I did not mean to make it sound like I was attacking anyone person I was not pointing fingers at anyone person on here or anywhere else.

I have told MB not to read the post on any of the sites because somethings are said that may need to be stated, I know first hand how hard it is to stay off these sights when Amber first went missing I would get so upset about the things posted on all kinds of sites about Amber and the family. I quit reading anything for about 4 months. So please don't feel like I was making a personal attack on anyone.

www.bringamberhome.com

Thank you for that clarification! I personally was not offended at all by your request. It should be ALL about Lindsey.

I just didn't want you to think that, during the process of unraveling the facts, we are intentionally thoughtless or insensitive to a victim's family and friends. We would like nothing more than to have Lindsey found today.

I also want to say that I think of Amber often and pray for her safe return. Jennifer has had such wonderful things to say about you and your family, including how selfless you all are in giving your time and resources to search for other missing children.

 

[onamission7304]

Thank you for that clarification! I personally was not offended at all by your request. It should be ALL about Lindsey.

I just didn't want you to think that, during the process of unraveling the facts, we are intentionally thoughtless or insensitive to a victim's family and friends. We would like nothing more than to have Lindsey found today.

I also want to say that I think of Amber often and pray for her safe return. Jennifer has had such wonderful things to say about you and your family, including how selfless you all are in giving your time and resources to search for other missing children.

Thanks you guys for remembering our Amber! We will find her I just know it. I just pray it is sooner than later I do think we will find Lindsey as well. I just can't stop thinking that someone in McCleary must know something????
Like Amber someone had to have seen something it was 7:10 in the morning and the traffic at that time is a little heavy. Like Lindsey someone knows or had to of seen something that was not right. One day we will get the answers we are looking for.

www.bringamberhome.com
www.findlindseybaum.com

 

[kageykaren]

Just curious if any local businesses from Elma to Montessano inbetween & beyond would be brave enough to put up large posters of Lindsey displayed where visible to customers? I would love to see Lindsey's face all over the town in McCleary so that citizens aren't able to put her story aside. I fear "Outta site, outta mind!" I'm sure there is at least one someone who would love to see Lindsey's story take a back seat and fade away. The waiting of the perp is part of their sick crime affording them the feelings of accomplishment. For once I would like to see a community invested in not letting a perp think "La La La La, Life goes on". Even if the creep or creep's has left the area he will hear about it as that is important to these wackos.

 

[kageykaren]

While reading on another forum I read a post in reference to the monies donated for the return of Lindsey. A response was given by someone who has just recently met MB and those around her who have a part in handeling MB's new bank accounts. Some of these people are involved in an open investigation which doesn't look to good in the publics eye and could effect future donations. This post stated that a non for profit foundation is in the works. This may mean that MB (hopefully others well versed) is starting the application process to set up a foundation or this has already been done. The problems that this group might encounter are immense. Sherry Friedlander, executive director of the successful " A Child Is Missing" states, "They'll set up a foundation & the money is general waste." "Basic problem is that any Tom, Dick, & Harry can start one" "There are no job requirements & because of that many, even the well intentioned ones don't have the business knowledge necessary to run a successful non-profit. Fundraising during difficult times has put many of these in the hole. Advisers are telling people at this time to hold off on starting one. With this knowledge more non-profit foundations with vision & commitment remain needed. Starting a foundation should not begin with a concern for financial or legal matters. A foundation comes from the desire to accomplish good, as a foundations aim is " To promote the public good" Best to begin with an examination of your own desire to accomplish this good. If one wishes to change the course of things, to follow through with with impulses for good, to invest your energy & skill in alleviating suffering, advancing knowledge a foundation is for you. Mark Klass knowes well this tedious venture and after many sad years started one in Polly's name. Six yrs. (1999) from Polly's abduction in 1993. In 1996 Marks foundation had analysis of financial problemms. His executive board of directors quit and Mark had to regroup. Most would go under but Mark kept going because he is a man of integrity and sincerely cares about his foundations mission. Look at the good a legitimate foundation for the missing has done. John Walsh, the same kind of man as Mark K who will work those long hours with his board of directors to make sure their foundations are following to code the rules associated with foundations. When starting the application process it requires a good lawyer & accountant. A foundation is an orderly mechanism for giving that intervenes between the donor and the potential recipitents. MB's foundation most likely will be set up in Lindsey's name. MB and the people she chooses to be on the board of directors will collect donations from the private sect and give them to charities they show on their foundation application. The kool thing is MB and the board of directors can recieve a hefty salary along with tax benifits the public doesn't recieve. Cool thing is the public can ask and view all financial statements before donating. The problem MB will have is that these foundation applications can have a wait period of 6 months to 1yr. & half. How will MB handle the taxes associated with donations she has recieved currently and in the future? As it stands two people are the only ones who may sign checks. I have no idea if there is a contract between the two. A foundation is ran like a business, no different. I believe more than and not less than 5 people must be on the board of directors and it is their responsibility to make sure there is no hanky panky going on and the bosrd must report this in their quarterly meetings. As I stated many we know in the "chidren missing realm" run a legit foundation and began their foundation years after they got through grief so that they could be more efficient in their "Mission promise". The possible red flag with MB starting a business of this type is she isn't finished with this walk in life. Actually in the world of the missing she's just begining to gain knowledge as her daughter has only been missing 2 months and 10 days. Does MB not think LB will be returning and needs to start her own mission for childre? Has she worked with kids in the past? Is MB at this point emotionally able to be thinking about such a strenuous venture? For that fact are the people around her? Will they help other families with searches, flyers and everything we know that goes with running a foundation? The only family I know that started their first foundation 2 months into an investigation is Caylee Marie Anthony's Grandparents. These grandparents joined forces with felons foundation Kid Finder representing Missing Children. Michelle Bart represented Ci A in the media and she is connected with the illegal Kid Finders. Michelle Bart came to McCleary and spent a day with MB and I believe set up MB's NY visit representing the scam "Ready Alert" or whatever it was. All LE know about these types of foundations and the attorney general is on speed dial for all the watch dogs overseeing foundations hiding money by putting it into a co. they own as well. This a good thing to investigate before donating. I was hoping not to hear so soon that MB has been coaxed by someone or someones so soon into Lindsey being gone. I was alarmed because this foundation was brought up pertaining to money. A foundation is not about the money when one starts on this path. It is to better the good for the public by exibiting actions correlated to the Foundations Mission. Is MB ready for this now? Has she had counseling for such a venture? IMO If my child was missing only two1/2 months I wouldn't be able to think of such things and we certainly have heard how distraught she is. Anyone else no about this? Is this a rumor? If not who are the board members going to be? Many questions can arise with this info. There is a thread in the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation discussing these foundations that you might find useful when learning about these organizations. If this statement of a foundation is not true I'v given a shorter version of an explanation. Lindsey Baum Important, heck yes. In a business way not for me at this time. Maybe another family member or friend will do the start up. If that is so MB should be made aware of everything and her attorney also. I hope this post isn't taken in a bad way as it is to inform more than debate. Sorry if I left info out.

 

[JenniferO]

You mean this post that I posted over on IS?

Search fund account has been set up:

Got an email from KK this morning:

The search fund did get set up - it is at the McCleary Sterling Savings bank and donations can be made at any SS branch. All they need to tell them is that it is for the Lindsey Baum Search Fund. That will not go to MB but is solely for the search and search center. We are working on getting 501 (c)3 status now but the account is up and running.

I'm not sure who told them to get 501 (c)3 status.. but I think you bring up some good points. I agree with you on this.
I would contact them at [email protected]
I know I would want information on it if it were me.

 

[kageykaren]

Hey you, I was trying so hard to leave your name out here just incase some might have a hair. I'm so glad you took a look and agree there are questions that seem to come up when hearing this. As far as me educating them, not necessary for me as to start such a venture requires someone like an attorney or acccountant that can help them understand the work that will come with their mission statement. The red flag for those in the know is timing. Hopefully all goes well and they will be free to operate and reach their goals.

 

[JenniferO]

I have no problem with people pulling my posts from other forums and using them elsewhere. I use the same name on all the forums so people know it's me. But I do appreciate you trying to keep my name out of it. That was nice.

I know nothing about what they are doing and it's possible they don't either. Hopefully they will retain an attorney to help them along in the process.

 

[cecybeans]

kageykaren - you are right to warn people about donating to newly set up foundations. I have worked in the non-profit field for both large and small 501c3's and I cannot emphasize enough how important it is to conduct due diligence before you donate.

Most large non-profits ask for "non-designated" funding, in which the donor does not specify how the donation is to be used; this kind of donation of can be used at the organization's discretion - to cover operating or program cost and personnel (which, of course, are very necessary to the long-term health and ability to provide services of the organization).

But foundations often have less restrictions. Some kinds of family foundations are actually set up as tax-shelters and have a rule that just a certain percentage of their funds actually go toward charity efforts (sometimes the annual amount can be about the size of the interest it has earned per year, but it is often 10-25%. In the Anthony case, the original search foundation had a clause in its articles that allowed leftover monies to go to either KFN or any other type of non-profit, according to the wishes of the founder.

I would urge anyone making a donation by check to specify in writing (and keep a copy) that is to be used only to fund search efforts and not for administrative costs - although even that phase can be kind of vague.

I don't know much about this case and this poor girl, but MB is getting a rather shady reputation after her association with the Anthony case, KFN and their partnership with NLHF (both organizations have board directors and principals that are involved in very, very questionable activities). MB, from what I can gather, acts as sort of an independent "consultant" helping such families set up these foundations and offering them advice on PR and media coverage. Such foundation can, of course, also be used to hide money from media contracts, etc. If family members are also employees, they may be able to draw a salary from these organizations, in addition to paying outside consultants.

I would caution anyone who wants to donate to ANY non-profit to investigate them thoroughly and avoid ones that might seem to be opportunistic in that they are started in the middle of an investigation and before all involved parties have been completed cleared by LE. Also, family members of victims, whether innocent or not, can be vulnerable to outside agencies seeking to profit from the foundation as well.

It is always wonderful when generous and caring people want to donate their hard earned time or money to help others, but in a case like this, in which a child has been missing for such a short time that the investigation is still in progress, it might work best if you could research how to donate in other ways; either with personal time, or by asking their advice and then purchasing actual items that searchers would need. It is really quite a gamble to donate dollars for a tiny, fledgling foundation that has not yet passed any real benchmarks of fiscal transparency, or integrity in its governance. Not to say that it won't, but it is always better to err on the side of caution if you want to make sure your generosity is both appreciated and used as wisely as you of course intend.

 

[kageykaren]

Thanks Cecybeans, Would have thought our research would become a platform for our children missing. Hopefully our volunteering this information will cause thought before donating to this form of giving. There are as you said many other ways to help in the recovery of Lindsey. Maybe in a year when the foundation application is accepted (if in fact it will be) more information will be known to the public to afford a more secure way to donate. Whoa such a business venture for someone in new consuming grief. I hope locals who post on various website's can share this information as the handeling of the money seems all important to some. One of the laws I would like to see changed as "Missing chiildren" seem to be becomming a commodity. When a child is missing for a certain amount of time a court appointed advocate is assigned to over see all accounts in behalf of the missing child. If a parent is in need of financial help during this horrendus time they would have to petition the courts with a written statement of how the money will be spent. The money is the childs as it would never have incurrred if the child had not gone missing. The court appointed advocate for the child would best determine how the excess would be set up. A trust for siblings set up after a period of time (if the child does not return home). This trust could not be accessed till the sibling is 18yrs. of age. When a child is given an inheritence (under 18yrs) & it is not set up in the form of a trust a parent must appear before a judge, proving they are in fact the parent(must bring all legal docs showing this) a judge will put the money in an account managed by an attorney. This is to make sure a parent doesn't take the money and go to Vegas to spend it all. If the child has no siblings the money would go to next of kin after a certain amount of time according to law. Maybe this will become "Lindsey's Law" This would protect parents from undersirable pandering to take advantage during an upside down time. We have laws for children in the hear and now so why not for children who have vanished and are not declared dead?

 

[cecybeans]

kageykaren - that's an excellent idea! Putting restrictions on foundations for missing children to make sure the funds are a) specifically designated only toward search efforts, and b) to be used only to benefit the child (or reimburse the family if necessary for their own expenses), and c) administered by an objective third party that is sort of a guardian ad litem would solve all sorts of problems.

It would not allow outsiders to corrupt the foundation or its members in any way, before, during or after an investigation or conclusion of the case, and it would also prevent (God forbid) anyone to think of profiting ahead of time from the media exposure and potential financial gain a "missing" or murdered child might bring.

Since there seem to be a sudden rash of missing, abused, and murdered children these days, it would seem prudent for voters in all states to advocate legislation in this area as an additional way to proactively protect the innocent.

 

[KONAMOCHA]

You mean this post that I posted over on IS?

Search fund account has been set up:

Got an email from KK this morning:

The search fund did get set up - it is at the McCleary Sterling Savings bank and donations can be made at any SS branch. All they need to tell them is that it is for the Lindsey Baum Search Fund. That will not go to MB but is solely for the search and search center. We are working on getting 501 (c)3 status now but the account is up and running.

I'm not sure who told them to get 501 (c)3 status.. but I think you bring up some good points. I agree with you on this.
I would contact them at [email protected]
I know I would want information on it if it were me.

Ummmm.... who is we ? are you involved in the bank account being set up with 501 (c)3 ?

 

[JenniferO]

Ummmm.... who is we ? are you involved in the bank account being set up with 501 (c)3 ?

why would I be involved? I'm a volunteer searcher. I don't want anything to do with the money.

The email was copied and pasted from KK ('we' in this case equals KK and MB)

 

[kageykaren]

Easy to get mixed up in translation over to W/S. That is why I didn't pull your post as it wasn't about you and the post as much as it was about the subject of foundations. I didn't want people to accuse you of helping with the foundation. So good to know you feel the same and maybe get to the bottom of who's suggestion this was. Let us know if anymore is said as not many wish to discuss this white elephant in the room. You've been a good sluether on Team Lindsey! Now that this out of the way, any new clues that may seem as fact to someone that could be sluethed? ~<3~