Live MSM coverage on Baby Lisa 19 October 2011

[Whisperer]

If the mother did this and was very drunk when doing it, there would not be an organized crime scene. Something else is going on here. This was either done in another place by her, or another person is involved...like the father or neighbor or relative.

However, if the wipes and baby food bought at the store were a red herring, that implicates the mother.

Since there is an organized crime scene, LE has its work cut out.

 

[Kat]

Samantha and her husband are estranged.

This is neither here nor there but I wanted to use your post to jump off of and there is a video that gives his name and on that video it is reported that he is the one that gave LE permission to search the house.


Like I said not important but my memory was nudged when you typed that and I thought I would add that. JMHO

 

[panthera]

Somehow, I don't see DB as the stemmed-wine-glass type, so the "glass" she used could have been a 16-oz. tumbler! Kool-Aid, anyone? jmo

My thoughts exactly!

 

[katydid23]

Dr. Drew said something about the neighbor's husband was out that nightas well and was not allowed back at the house? Acrimony? Did someone catch that?

OMG. I have been asking, since I first heard about her drinking buddy neighbor, about if the neighbor had a boyfriend or husband or roommate.

There is a very likely scenario that keeps popping in my head. Drinking buddy is buzzed, but not smashed drunk like DB. So neighbor takes her 4 yr old home, but is worried and bothered a bit about DB being so drunk and in charge of 3 kids, especially a sick infant.

So neighbor goes home and complains to room mate / husband about the situation. Did that give the husband the idea to come and teach DB a lesson?
Did something go terribly wrong?

But now that I hear that POSSIBLY the husband was out that night, and drunk as well, and possibly fighting with wife, this scenario seems even more likely. imoo he knows that DB is passed out drunk because his wife said so. Makes him feel righteous and justified in coming over and wreaking havoc of some kind maybe.

 

[UMfanforever]

I wonder what will be found on the hard drive.

Parents are requesting the hard drive back so they can publish more "videos of Lisa." (as per NG)

Then police can ghost the hard drive and they can have a copy. They aren't getting back the original to delete important information. Nice try, parents. MOO (I think that means my own opinion, everyone else uses acronyms here LOL)

 

[belimom]

Well, she didnt get the BOX of wine to look at it. No mother regardless of drunkenness kills her child out of the blue. Causing a drunken accident maybe... but you have to have it in you to do it even under the influence. Having a "black out" isnt exculpatory. She is still responsible for her actions IF a jury is following the law and not their emotions. The defense just wants to be sure to play on the emotions of potential jurors.

A woman on another board had an interesting take on it.. she said she thought that she killed the baby on accident and called the brother/guy who got the wine with her.. drank the wine to help her have the guts to dispose of the body. Interesting idea.

bbm

That's exactly what I think happened also.

 

[panthera]

If the mother did this and was very drunk when doing it, there would not be an organized crime scene. Something else is going on here. This was either done in another place by her, or another person is involved...like the father or neighbor or relative.

However, if the wipes and baby food bought at the store were a red herring, that implicates the mother.

Since there is an organized crime scene, LE has its work cut out.

Agree. Which leads me to suspect she wasn't as intoxicated as she is now claiming to have been.

MOO

 

[belimom]

OMG. I have been asking, since I first heard about her drinking buddy neighbor, about if the neighbor had a boyfriend or husband or roommate.

There is a very likely scenario that keeps popping in my head. Drinking buddy is buzzed, but not smashed drunk like DB. So neighbor takes her 4 yr old home, but is worried and bothered a bit about DB being so drunk and in charge of 3 kids, especially a sick infant.

So neighbor goes home and complains to room mate / husband about the situation. Did that give the husband the idea to come and teach DB a lesson?
Did something go terribly wrong?

But now that I hear that POSSIBLY the husband was out that night, and drunk as well, and possibly fighting with wife, this scenario seems even more likely. imoo he knows that DB is passed out drunk because his wife said so. Makes him feel righteous and justified in coming over and wreaking havoc of some kind maybe.

I'm not sure that I believe that's what happened - but it would have been easier for him to do if he heard her crying.

 

[Pinkhammer]

This is neither here nor there but I wanted to use your post to jump off of and there is a video that gives his name and on that video it is reported that he is the one that gave LE permission to search the house.


Like I said not important but my memory was nudged when you typed that and I thought I would add that. JMHO

But I don't know if we are free to discuss this couple, even now that Dr. Drew has brought them to the forefront.

Even if they are not POI's, they might be able to shed some light about what was going on in the DB/JI household.

 

[LancelotLink]

I wonder what will be found on the hard drive.

Parents are requesting the hard drive back so they can publish more "videos of Lisa." (as per NG)

I'll bet they want it back!!

 

[AphroditeInHerNighti]

bbm

That's exactly what I think happened also.

I didnt see any.. but was there any video of the brother and his behavior? If so.. how did he behave/what did he say?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

This is neither here nor there but I wanted to use your post to jump off of and there is a video that gives his name and on that video it is reported that he is the one that gave LE permission to search the house.


Like I said not important but my memory was nudged when you typed that and I thought I would add that. JMHO

Do you happened to remember which video? I haven't seen it.

TIA

 

[GourmetSoy]

Yes, she did and No, Ashley did not have to be present when the call WAS NOT MADE/OR NOT RECEIVED.. the reason Ashley knows there was NO CALL MADE OR RECEIVED at or around 2:30am from either of the 2 functioning cell phones in question IS BECAUSE SHE IS AWARE THAT HER BROTHER/DEB DID NOT PAY THE CELL PHONE BALANCE THUS RESULTING IN BOTH OF THOSE 2 FUNCTIONING CELL PHONES TEMPORARILY HAVING THE SERVICE DISCONNECTED DURING THE TIME IN QUESTION, INCLUDING THE "alleged" CALL MADE/RECEIVED AT/AROUND 2:30am Oct 4.

That is how Ashley is privy to having and knowing that specific information and chose to tweet the truth to dispel one of the many or multiple inaccuracies being reported..

The cell phone used to call 911 IS NOT IN ANYWAY RELATED TO THE SERVICE PROVIDED TO their 2 personal cell phones.. It is a work issued phone and the service is provided thru a business service contract that Jeremy Was NOT responsible to pay for it's monthly service.. This phone was not in the home that night, but rather was on Jeremy's person..

But all in all ppl will choose to believe what they'd like about what is true and/or accurate info/details of this case.. We do not have to all agree either way

I understand that. However, there were 3 phones stolen and 1 was her father's. We don't know if that phone was still under service or not but chances are it wasn't one that DB didn't pay the bill on. 1 of the 3 was broken but again, we don't know which one. A call could have definitely been made if her father's cell phone that he gave her was working. Funny how Ashley only talked about 2 of the phones.

 

[scandi]

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I think that many of us here had expressed belief there is a good possibility she killed the baby prior to getting "drunk". I am not going with "accident"...as I think many times people have a hard time coming to terms with a homicide when parents are involved.

How true Whisperer, Listening to her comments to the media I found several that made me :waitasec:, just not what I would expect to hear is all.

I have had this intense feeling since last night that little Lisa is very close to home - within blocks.

The neighbors this mom was socializing with that evening, they must have good info for LE as to her state of mind, physical abilities or loss thereof because of the booze, etc.


Lisa's two little brothers, how sad for them. I think the Mom is trying her best to act normal for just having lost her daughter. But, remember how the Lindberg baby took the hearts of our nation by storm when he was kidnapped? I agree Whisperer the public doesn't want this mom to be involved. I just can't see this as a Lindberg case. We wouldn't have LE digging with shovels and rakes for Lisa close to her home weeks after her going missing, as it were.

Maybe that's why Lisa's dad just stands there hanging his head down. A firm 'No Comment' from LE says mountains.

xox

 

[Kat]

But I don't know if we are free to discuss this couple, even now that Dr. Drew has brought them to the forefront.

Even if they are not POI's, they might be able to shed some light about what was going on in the DB/JI household.

We aren't allowed to, mods have said. That's why I didn't include his name in my own post. Her first name is fine though in yours. We just can't talk about them or sleuth them yet. Not until we get permission from mods.

 

[Whisperer]

Party at the neighbors kids at home alone?

That's exactly the place my mind headed when the case broke, doc.

 

[uvamerica]

Adult time? I would think that is something that goes on 24/7 when you're a responsible parent with a baby and young children in the house. I think she wanted child time. She is very immature. This female has very poor judgement and appears to want to explain away her bad behavior.

For me, when my kids were small, "adult time" was getting a babysitter or my mom to have my kids overnight, then my we would go out or stay at home and have friends over. And that was maybe once a month. I was married at 20, had my 1st child at 22, 2nd at 25. Now its seems as though the parents come 1st then the kids, my son had a GF that had a 3yr old, the 3yr old was always with her Gparents b/c mom didn't have enough "me" time. And her me time was going out 6 nights a week with her friends, while she worked during the day. She never stopped complaining about the 1 day she had her son. Glad my son dumped her. :furious: And I feel so sorry for her son, he deserves much more from his mom.

 

[LancelotLink]

Agree. Which leads me to suspect she wasn't as intoxicated as she is now claiming to have been.

MOO

Bingo!!

 

[Kat]

Do you happened to remember which video? I haven't seen it.

TIA

I posted the link myself WOO to a thread. Let me go look through my postings and see if I can locate it for you!

 

[katydid23]

Yes, she did and No, Ashley did not have to be present when the call WAS NOT MADE/OR NOT RECEIVED.. the reason Ashley knows there was NO CALL MADE OR RECEIVED at or around 2:30am from either of the 2 functioning cell phones in question IS BECAUSE SHE IS AWARE THAT HER BROTHER/DEB DID NOT PAY THE CELL PHONE BALANCE THUS RESULTING IN BOTH OF THOSE 2 FUNCTIONING CELL PHONES TEMPORARILY HAVING THE SERVICE DISCONNECTED DURING THE TIME IN QUESTION, INCLUDING THE "alleged" CALL MADE/RECEIVED AT/AROUND 2:30am Oct 4.

That is how Ashley is privy to having and knowing that specific information and chose to tweet the truth to dispel one of the many or multiple inaccuracies being reported..

The cell phone used to call 911 IS NOT IN ANYWAY RELATED TO THE SERVICE PROVIDED TO their 2 personal cell phones.. It is a work issued phone and the service is provided thru a business service contract that Jeremy Was NOT responsible to pay for it's monthly service.. This phone was not in the home that night, but rather was on Jeremy's person..

But all in all ppl will choose to believe what they'd like about what is true and/or accurate info/details of this case.. We do not have to all agree either way

But DB did not say the sevice was 'disconnected.' She specifically said it was 'restricted' and calls could be incoming but not outgoing. So that is a different thing entirely than being disconnected.

And when it is 'restricted, then one of the phones cannot make outgoing calls, but the other one can. Only the main phone, the one that is responsible for the bills, is on restriction. And besides, even if your phone is on 'restriction', you can still dial out, it just gets redirected to the payment center. So if someone attempted to make a call at 2:38, then it would be recorded on the records.