LIVE MSM COVERAGE on BABY LISA - 24 OCTOBER 2011

[Quiche]

Iirc, NBC was linked to BS by a local reporter that was overheard on a live feed. mo

Oh, the most absurd award of the morning goes to-- Joe T.! One word: TOENAIL

:floorlaugh:

 

[MamaK]

Her hair was obviously dyed to begin with so her roots were probably showing. Possibly, a family member noticed and had her go with a shade closer to her original hair so it would take a little less upkeep. Many people get their hair cut when they dye it. Her hair is still long, it's just shaped differently with layers. It might actually be easier and more convenient for her to fix now because it may lay in a certain way without her doing anything to it.

I really don't think the new 'do is a big deal. If there was no speculation concerning her involvement in her baby's disappearance, I doubt we would be having this conversation for the past, what... 12+ hours now. :waitasec: Sorry, just ready to move on...:innocent:

MOO

 

[Wise Old Owl]

The "image" issue is a conundrum, isn't it? When I see the family grouped together I question the selection of the "sinister" shirt because he wasn't perceptive enough about the image he may be projecting. Is is right for me to then also critique DB because she (or someone around her) is aware of her desire to have a more agreeable presence?

Aside from that, I don't think anyone who posts here gives a hoot (Sorry, WOO) whether this family is rich, poor, smart, dumb, attractive or ugly and with or without fashion sense. I believe, even though the comments are about appearance, the real rub is that of priorities. . . .

Ummm, let's see, should I go talk with the police, take more LDTs until I can pass, search everywhere even if only on my own? Or should I research attorneys, select a couple and then get my hair fixed? :waitasec: :dunno:

If image is important to the family then they should realize people see a "whole picture" that includes the actions that are visible to them as well as what they look like. It could very well be that they are taking some actions to move this case forward that we don't know about. But if that's the case then that should be the part of the "image" that's corrected ~ before anyone's appearance is even in consideration.

Obviously :cow: !!!​

ITA - at first I had to stop and read and re-read what you meant! lol Then I got the reference of "giving a hoot". So, ok, and yea you're right.

This is about priorities. And LISA should be priority NUMBER ONE!

We haven't heard or seen much of anything that this family is doing to progress this investigation and find Lisa.

The Halloween decoration, what t-shirt is worn, getting hair done doesn't really play a part in the big scheme of things - as long as the family is cooperating with LE and actively pursuing finding Lisa. From the general public's view - this isn't what they are doing. Their attorneys and spokespeople just keep getting on camera and bashing the police and "how the big bad mean detectives" accused this poor mom and brow beat her and showed her "fake evidence" and isn't that just horrible?

There was a reason LE did that. We have no clue what all LE has found (or not found), but this is what they do. When LE has a family in distress and they are pulling out all the stops to help and then that family backs up and refuses to cooperate - what is LE supposed to do then?

Every day I hope that JI and DB will go to LE/FBI and sit down and answer EVERY QUESTION they ask and answer them honestly. Its the only way we'll see Lisa brought home and bring closure to this. But they aren't. They have now gotten big fancy high priced lawyers that are running the media circuit. They speak in circles and avoid the hard questions.

I just want this baby found - one way or the other. Every morning and every night that is what I pray for. I just wonder what the parents are praying for - KWIM?

 

[josie1986]

i hadn't watched the full video when i made my previous post,now im hearing him say...

"decomp can include fecal matter"

OMGGGGGGGGGG am i missing something here.....if the dog hit on "fecal matter" it would have had to have came from a person that was deceased?

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[JeannaT]

I was just listening to a Kansas City morning talk show, and they played a sound clip from Tacopina, where he claims that cadaver dogs pick up on "any human decomposition," including toe clippings and baby poo.

I'm so frustrated because after playing the clip, it was immediately followed by a clip about the surveillance video, and there was no discussion about the validity of Tacopina's claim!!

After hearing Sarx and Oriah explain cadaver dogs, I know that <modsnip> assertion is wrong, but I'd bet the majority of the listeners don't know this, and may believe that the cadaver dog hit was discredited.

Grr...

My guess is, there have been documented cases where cadaver dogs who have been shown to be reliable and are used by a law enforcement agency have hit on "decomp" sites that are feces, rotting food, toenail clippings, etc.

It stands to reason - although they're not supposed to hit on those, they have in the past and will again and could have in the Irwin's case.

 

[Quiche]

Well, tomorrow will be three weeks since Baby Lisa was reported missing. I don't think anyone is going to break now.

What I hope for now is an inditement, but which of the umpteen stories is LE going to go with? There have been so many. I just have to believe that LE/FBI has all kinds of evidence we don't know about.

As for the wine box on the stove; I hope LE left it there because if DB did, that is more evidence of child endangerment. You never leave anything like that on a stove with children in the home. BUT, who knows who actually put it there.

Even though we are expecting, hoping, and praying for a break in Baby Lisa's case, it is going to hit us like a ton of bricks when it happens. It always does. I hope today is the day!

MOO

Yeah, it may have been placed there by Cyndy-- we know she put a stuffed animal in Lisa's crib. But... if it was DB, it says more than I'm drinking tonight, it also says I aint cookin'! :crazy:

 

[MamaK]

how can he say the decomp hit doesn't bother him in the slightest and it doesn't fit the timeline cause the neighbour was in the house with DB until 10.30 the night lisa disappeared....but how do we know she ACTUALLY seen lisa? "with the 2 boys in the house there isn't a senario that could happen for decomposition to start" he said something along the lines of that......now i watched a video (cant remember where i seen it) but it was from an expert in decomp and HRD dogs and he stated that decomp can be detected by dogs almost right away....now i'd like to know where he is getting his "info" on HRD dogs.

i dont even know if i'm making sense :seeya:

BBM If the neighbor came over at 5:30pm and DB put Lisa in her crib at 6:40pm, then it stands to reason that the neighbor saw Lisa.

MOO

 

[josie1986]

My guess is, there have been documented cases where cadaver dogs who have been shown to be reliable and are used by a law enforcement agency have hit on "decomp" sites that are feces, rotting food, toenail clippings, etc.

It stands to reason - although they're not supposed to hit on those, they have in the past and will again and could have in the Irwin's case.

but what i've read from sarx and oriah if a dog hit on a toenail or fesus,it would have had to come from a deceased person NOT someone who was alive?

 

[lil momma]

Thinking outside of the box for a second, the carpet that was shown being carried out of the house may have been on top of the carpet in the parent's bedroom.

That would make sense Patty! In one of the videos, it shows the carpet that still exsits in the bedroom, near the threshold lifts fairly easily. However would LE take the time to put the furniture back in place once they removed the first roll of carpet? Also, wouldn't it be benenficial to remove all the carpet and the pad too? If the carpet was cleaned, the evidence would more than likely be on the pad, or the underneath of the pad, even the underneath of the carpet, from being soaked through (from the carpet cleaning)

Maybe the carpet came from another area of the home.

JMO

 

[jjenny]

BBM If the neighbor came over at 5:30pm and DB put Lisa in her crib at 6:40pm, then it stands to reason that the neighbor saw Lisa.

MOO

Especially if the neighbor had dinner with DB and the children.

 

[UMfanforever]

Again Everyone:

ABC or one of the other news outlets said the carpet is from the shed at the back of the house (the place Deborah didn't want to go check).

Whether or not they actually took it away or decided to bring it back, don't know.

 

[butwhatif?]

Help me out here.....

If the only things listed in the search warrant were:


Multi colour comforter
Purple shorts
multi colour Disney character shirt
Glow worm toy
Cars themed blanket
Rolls of tape
Tape dispenser

Then wouldn't removal of wine have to have been listed too? Even if they just poured it down the sink afterward? From a legal standpoint I mean.

But forget the vino....


~Where did Lisa's swing go?
~Why was the dark rug from lisa's room removed from the house during the SW, allegedly not taken, but not returned to her room either? I know they have no obligation to clean up after themselves, but where did it go?
Did they just hoover it and leave it wherever?


~I don't see sheets listed on the SW, yet there are no sheets left in the crib. There is clearly a fitted sheet on the mattress after the initial search, but it's completely stripped after the SW search.

~ And since there are only sheets on DB's bed in the lastest walk-through,is it likely the comforter came from her room, not Lisa's?

I guess we also don't know what their own atty's may have taken to be tested or if they moved anything?

I noticed the monitor and some diapers on the bedside table of DB's room in this vid too.

Interesting to note the beside table diapers plus the bag of diapers and baby wipes on the floor right near where the dog allegedly hit.

Didn't JT say a decomp hit could come from dirty diapers? <insert eyeroll>
Isn't that convenient that the diapers are right there for their walk-through?

MOO

 

[Quiche]

Interesting too, that Lisa's room looks fairly intact, whereas the parents bedroom looks thrashed, and the door frame has been removed (you can see the difference in paint, so there was one, imo).

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/45014011#45014011

eta: Now that I see butwhatif's post, I understand the carpet in question was Lisa's... interesting.

 

[Abby Normal]

I was just listening to a Kansas City morning talk show, and they played a sound clip from Tacopina, where he claims that cadaver dogs pick up on "any human decomposition," including toe clippings and baby poo.

I'm so frustrated because after playing the clip, it was immediately followed by a clip about the surveillance video, and there was no discussion about the validity of Tacopina's claim!!

After hearing Sarx and Oriah explain cadaver dogs, I know that <modsnip> assertion is wrong, but I'd bet the majority of the listeners don't know this, and may believe that the cadaver dog hit was discredited.

Grr...

To be fair, they CAN hit on a nose bleed or injury too. I assume that there are two spots in my home that cadaver dogs would hit. All my kids are alive and accounted for, and I've only lived here 2 years. I think his point is that there are exceptions- but he can't exactly say "blood" or everyone would be going a new direction.

 

[JeannaT]

Well, tomorrow will be three weeks since Baby Lisa was reported missing. I don't think anyone is going to break now.

What I hope for now is an inditement, but which of the umpteen stories is LE going to go with? There have been so many. I just have to believe that LE/FBI has all kinds of evidence we don't know about.

As for the wine box on the stove; I hope LE left it there because if DB did, that is more evidence of child endangerment. You never leave anything like that on a stove with children in the home. BUT, who knows who actually put it there.

Even though we are expecting, hoping, and praying for a break in Baby Lisa's case, it is going to hit us like a ton of bricks when it happens. It always does. I hope today is the day!

MOO

I don't understand how leaving an uncorked bottle of wine (or in this case, an open box) out in full view of children is child endangerment, especially at their ages. People who drink alcohol have open containers in their homes, and it's the rare family who has a lock on a liquor cabinet. People who drink a glass of red wine at night have the corked bottle on the kitchen counter - white wine would be corked in full view in the fridge. I'm not sure the box of wine accessable on the stove will become an issue -

 

[mistermissy]

Just saw the light switches in Lisa's room on Today show. We have those kind too, they make clicking noises everytime we switch them off and on. Could this be the clicking noises the boys heard? Lights being switched off and on????

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Oh and one more thing.

And this "thing" has bothered me greatly!

Concerning MSM and the coverage of this case.

WHY IN THE WORLD are they continously showing these videos and pix of Lisa when she is like 3 months old? The pic they put on the t-shirts came from those.

Lisa was MUCH bigger. Older. She was standing (if not walking - we haven't been told anything about her development so we don't even know if she was walking). Babies change rapidly and I believe its very deceiving to put a picture out there of a small infant when that "infant" is now 10 - 11 months old and is missing.

People that really don't follow these cases like we do - sit down - watch the news - see that pic of such a small infant - and then go about their business. So, if they are on the lookout for her - they are looking at small babies to see if its her. Do they not have that many pictures of her now? I've seen at least a few. PUT THOSE OUT THERE!

It just ruffles my feathers - and IMHO its deceiving the general public in what they should be looking for.

Such a shame...............

 

[MamaK]

Interesting too, that Lisa's room looks fairly intact, whereas the parents bedroom looks thrashed, and the door frame has been removed (you can see the difference in paint, so there was one, imo).

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/45014011#45014011

I would imagine since the parent's room is where the "hit" from the hrd dog was, that they would tear that room apart. They probably searched Lisa's room, but LE had been in there before and (I'm assuming) didn't find much.

 

[Abby Normal]

but what i've read from sarx and oriah if a dog hit on a toenail or fesus,it would have had to come from a deceased person NOT someone who was alive?

I'm pretty sure it shouldn't hit on feces at all. Decomp or not. If you go to the QA thread it is approached. They can hit on blood that came from a living being though.

 

[LaLaw2000]

i hadn't watched the full video when i made my previous post,now im hearing him say...

"decomp can include fecal matter"

OMGGGGGGGGGG am i missing something here.....if the dog hit on "fecal matter" it would have had to have came from a person that was deceased?

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

Well, he said he talked to the leading expert. I sure would like to know just who that was!

Fecal matter and toenails, oh my! :waitasec: