LIVE MSM COVERAGE on BABY LISA - 24 OCTOBER 2011

[SyraKelly]

I could be wrong,but I have never seen or heard LE confirm JI alibi..I just heard it from JI himself!

 

[Karmaa]

Gotcha. But just because there is video of him working at Starbucks that night, that doesn't really tell me what time he got home from work. Unless, of course, there's a time stamp on that video that says 3:00 am.

I think you can put 2 and 2 together in this case. LE said that there were no holes in the story. One of the very first things they are going to check is the alibi. The Starbucks tape shows Jeremy working. I don't think it's a big leap of faith to say that his alibi is good, at least for the time he claimed to be at work. Because if he couldn't account for his time, LE would not have said that there were no holes. Right?

 

[Donjeta]

I think I could say that with confidence, Mountain_Kat. There's an old saying about how drunks act "how drunk would you have to be to have sex with your mother?". Meaning, there is no amount of alcohol that would make you do something you don't want to do sober, so you couldn't get drunk enough to have sex with your mother. I could say with confidence, that while I've been drunk I haven't harmed (on purpose or accidentally) one of my children and then hidden their remains, whether I remembered all the details of the evening or not.

BBM. I can't agree with that because I have seen drunk people do some pretty strange or horrible stuff that they wouldn't be caught dead doing if sober.

In Finland, 8 out of 10 homicides in 2002-2005 were committed while drunk. In Estonia 73% and in Sweden 62 %. Most people who drink don't kill anybody, but nevertheless it makes alcohol pretty scary stuff IMO. Some people are genetically more prone to become aggressive when drunk but they are not necessarily violent when sober.


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This family has two other children to consider. Obviously Lisa is the main concern, but if the family had been told "don't do ANYTHING - let us do our job" by LE (which is likely) I can see why they could have taken time for the family.

This family strikes me as naive and extremely (too) trusting of LE. They don't seem like criminal masterminds, which just strengthens their story, IMO. If they are not too intelligent and they were interrogated in the manner that DB says she was, it seems almost impossible that they wouldn't have said something to trip themselves up.

That's funny because it looks to me that they have said plenty to trip themselves up. There are a lot of inconsistencies that we have discussed and LE said there were conflicting stories as well.

I don't agree with the criminal masterminds premise because we wouldn't have as many unsolved crimes and cold cases if only criminal masterminds could get away with it.

I just don't see how she could hide the body so well drunk or sober without help. Then, it begs the question of who in the world is going to help her out with that one. Surely, if she was having an affair, it would've come out by now. Her brother? What would he get out of it??? KWIM?

We can't come up with a motive so then we're left with an accident theory. I really don't believe that parents hide accidents. MOO

BBM. Why not? I can see if she was totally plastered she might have made a lot of silly mistakes but if she was sober, why couldn't she hide a body? We're talking about a small child here, not a grown man who might be hard to move and difficult to conceal.

Then LE must know that the neighbor, the boys, and the neighbor's daughter never saw Lisa that night, right? Otherwise, why would they even think it was possible that Jeremy killed Lisa before going to work?

There are accidents, or things that are not exactly accidents, that could happen in the afternoon and lead to the child's death at night. If the child is abused and gets, say, internal bleeding, it might not seem too severe at first, maybe the child is fussy and tired and gets put down to bed early, but later dies. A parent could give the child some kind of drug or substance before going to work and the child could die while he's at work.

 

[jacy]

Very good first post and some good questions. Not having the cover on an electrical outlet is something that shows laziness. It costs a couple of bucks to get one of those covers, and if any one should know how dangerous an electrical outlet could be, it's an electrician. Lisa could crawl for sometime already so it is long past due to have that stuff covered already. imoo

The guns are worrisome too with 2 young boys in the home. I hope the bullets are locked up tight.
BBM

There is so much in that home that causes me to worry about the boys. I have a feeling they've become very self-sufficient if much 'adult time' happened frequently. Whatever has occurred, I think it's safe to say on the day Lisa went missing, the kids were not the priority. I'd feel naive thinking that was the first time.

 

[Tuffy]

Just one point: they did not make "an exclusive deal" with MSM. What they did was stop talking to local reporters (who from what locals say, were horribly rude and offensive to them), and only speak to national media - but they spoke to many different stations. This makes perfect sense to me for the following reason: the local affiliates are GOING to run the national stories. But the national media might not run the local stories. By going to the national media, the family gets the most exposure - both national and local.

There was never anything sinister about this decision in my mind.

DB says that she believes that Lisa was taken by someone and is still alive. It doesn't make sense to me to avoid any press, especially just because someone was rude?


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[LancelotLink]

HAD been in bed? I thought she put her to bed at 6:40? :waitasec:

I know, right?

 

[Just K]

But there is no evidence that there were accomplices. And who would be an accomplice to that anyway? The only likely one would be Jeremy, and there is nothing indicating that he was there. Who else would you go to to ask a favor like "could you help me hide my baby that I just killed?" Especially if you were slobbering drunk.

Anything is possible, but there is no reason to imagine that there was an (or several) accomplice(s).

Often times immediate family members cover for one another. Happens all the time. So, maybe a father or a brother. Time will tell.

 

[LancelotLink]

Before I even click on that website from the lawyer. Is the word KIDNAPPED going to be the focus point?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Vinnie Politan will discuss the Baby Lisa case on HLN this hour.

 

[Bon]

I could be wrong,but I have never seen or heard LE confirm JI alibi..I just heard it from JI himself!

I'm beginning to think LE is looking at JI more than we think they are.........:twocents:

Something about him just does not sit well with me.....

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44992690/ns/today-today_news/t/cadaver-dog-has-hit-inside-baby-lisas-home/

You will have to scroll down and watch the video. They talk about the computer and wanting the videoes from the hard drive at the end.
Now, this is not where i read that they want the hard drive back. I believe I read it on the KMBC site a day or two ago, but now I can't seem to locate the article.

BUT, this interview is very interesting. Notice JI says, "That's how she always was."
And DB says 6:40. "I looked at the clock and she had been in bed."

I'll keep looking for the article. And I will post this video in the parent interview thread. If I can figure out how to get just the video...

Good catch!

 

[Bon]

Vinnie Politan will discuss the Baby Lisa case on HLN this hour.

Not meant to be snarky in any way but it's the same thing over and over again...nothing new
When I see "Breaking News" on baby Lisa then I'll jump up and listen..:twocents:

 

[angeleleven]

Vinnie discussing case now on HLN.

 

[LancelotLink]

I suggested some time ago that Baby Lisa might have been deceased prior to Jeremy having left for work. This is one of the reasons that I have compared Lisa's "disappearance" to the HaLeigh Cummings case. I firmly beleive that something happened to HaLeigh before Ronald left for "werk", and the plan to dispose of the little girl's remains (and probably incriminate Misty Croslin) was set in motion. Likewise, I think there's a good possibility that Lisa was hurt (or worse) during the day or even the previous night after the "birthday party" at the Irwin home, and the clean-up effort was in place - along with JI's alibi - by mid-afternoon. jmo

I agree. I will never be convinced otherwise. His first words on the 911 call were his alibi. "I just home from work."

 

[AlmostGone]

I'm beginning to think LE is looking at JI more than we think they are.........:twocents:

Something about him just does not sit well with me.....

Maybe? He was the one who found her missing... Never know, I'm getting a little flooded with all the different possibilities now..

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Not meant to be snarky in any way but it's the same thing over and over again...nothing new
When I see "Breaking News" on baby Lisa then I'll jump up and listen..:twocents:

This is the MSM thread for today's live coverage - breaking news or not. Some folks might not have a chance to view programming when it airs, so they appreciate having links to MSM articles/videos.

 

[jacy]

I suggested some time ago that Baby Lisa might have been deceased prior to Jeremy having left for work. This is one of the reasons that I have compared Lisa's "disappearance" to the HaLeigh Cummings case. I firmly beleive that something happened to HaLeigh before Ronald left for "werk", and the plan to dispose of the little girl's remains (and probably incriminate Misty Croslin) was set in motion. Likewise, I think there's a good possibility that Lisa was hurt (or worse) during the day or even the previous night after the "birthday party" at the Irwin home, and the clean-up effort was in place - along with JI's alibi - by mid-afternoon. jmo

May I ask what is behind 'werk'? I'm not familiar with this case, but have seen that reference a few times. Pardon my blatant curiosity.

 

[jacy]

Maybe? He was the one who found her missing... Never know, I'm getting a little flooded with all the different possibilities now..

Same here. I've crept from 'blindsided with fear' to 'he suspects something' to 'well, maybe he's not saying anything that might compromise the recovery of his daughter, and then he'll turn on DB' to "????" Flooded is a good word for my mind lately.:crazy:

 

[cluciano63]

May I ask what is behind 'werk'? I'm not familiar with this case, but have seen that reference a few times. Pardon my blatant curiosity.

Came from Ronald Cummings' claim to be at "work" when Haleigh went missing...not sure when the spelling changed along the way

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

May I ask what is behind 'werk'? I'm not familiar with this case, but have seen that reference a few times. Pardon my blatant curiosity.

For those who followed the HaLeigh Cumming's case, the use of "werk" instead of the correctly-spelled "work" was used after the word was misspelled on a document of some sort. Please don't ask me to locate said article/document, but maybe a good soul who was more involved in tracking that case will cite the source.

When I use the euphemism "werk", please understand that I am being facetious