local media's first home tour and presser 10/27/11 **cancelled**

[curiositycat]

Oh, I think DB is exhausted... from panic. She's been backed into a corner with allowing the boys to be re-interviewed. She's walking a slippery slope turning down PD's request to interview her and JI separately. I'm sure she's sick at this point.

Maybe, but I don't think she is in too much of a panic. She was relaxed enough to get her hair cut and colored.

Not to mention the fact that she has not one, but two high-powered defense attorneys and she hasn't had to put out a dime to get one of them to take her case.

Some wealthy benefactor decided to bankroll the whole thing for them.

Last night I was watching HLN, and the grandmother of the little missing five year old from Arizona was on . Now this girls mother has been accused of having some stuff in her past, that could tend to make her look guilty. But not ONE, I say not ONE high powered attorney has rushed to this families side.

I wonder how these attorneys and rich benefactors decide which family they will help?

No, IMO, DB is lucky, because she hasn't had to do a thing, has never spent one day handing out flyers, I have no idea why she is tired and has no need to panic with all this "help" on her side. MOO

 

[luckyme]

something will happen tonight because im going to sons ball game! When i get home late i will be lost. Wishing good karma because it always happens like that. moo:seeya:

 

[Abby Normal]

I've seen this question about why JI would "stand by" DB amidst the cadaver dog, changing story, etc and thought I would throw something out there. Assuming for the sake of argument that she did something, and he is in the dark, one reason he may be staying by her is that he's not on Websleuths hearing about how damning that really is. IOW- the rich, sophisticated, big shot lawyer is willing to go on camera and say it could be toe nails. He may be only hearing the spun side of the account, and this could be why LE want to get him alone and without HER counsel there. IMO *IF* she did this, and IF he doesn't know- he will break once something damning beyond spinning comes to play.

disclaimer: this is not my theory. I don't have a theory, I'm in wait mode. I'm just a Devil's Advocate type and like thinking about what could explain X, Y, or Z behavior or action.

 

[JeannaT]

I've seen this question about why JI would "stand by" DB amidst the cadaver dog, changing story, etc and thought I would throw something out there. Assuming for the sake of argument that she did something, and he is in the dark, one reason he may be staying by her is that he's not on Websleuths hearing about how damning that really is. IOW- the rich, sophisticated, big shot lawyer is willing to go on camera and say it could be toe nails. He may be only hearing the spun side of the account, and this could be why LE want to get him alone and without HER counsel there. IMO *IF* she did this, and IF he doesn't know- he will break once something damning beyond spinning comes to play.

disclaimer: this is not my theory. I don't have a theory, I'm in wait mode. I'm just a Devil's Advocate type and like thinking about what could explain X, Y, or Z behavior or action.

Right. But on your last sentence, they still wouldn't get any information about what happened to Lisa. Assuming she did something, and he doesn't know, convincing him to distance himself from her and turn on her still won't get them closer to the truth . ..

 

[Turnadot]

I know you were trying to be light, but seriously, Casey didn't put any effort whatsoever into trying to find her baby, all that was effort meant to distract from what had really happened so Caylee couldn't be found ever.

So it's hard to compare the efforts the Irwins are not making in finding Lisa, to the efforts of someone trying very hard to LOOK like she's putting in effort to throw the investigation off and hopefully never recover Caylee.

No. I really wasn't trying to be light at all.

And I know why KC did it, hence the word "help" in quotes.

Everything KC did was to her own ends, no doubt, but the fact remains a cold blooded killer did more to "help" find Caylee than the DB and JI are doing for Lisa, and they are supposed to be innocent.

What does that say about them?

A lot to me, and it's not good.

IMO

 

[justbetweenus]

I wonder if this cancellation with local media has anything to do with a national media "exclusive" contract. Just a thought.

 

[JeannaT]

No. I really wasn't trying to be light at all.

And I know why KC did it, hence the word "help" in quotes. No, It's really not hard to compare someone who puts up flyers and works the command center with people who can't be bothered.

Everything KC did was to her own ends, no doubt, but the fact remains a cold blooded killer did more to "help" find Caylee than the DB and JI are doing for Lisa, and they are supposed to be innocent.

What does that say about them?

A lot to me, and it's not good.

IMO

Do you see how ironic this is? Casey was doing it to FOIL the investigation. She wasn't making efforts - at all - to help.

Comparing a person's efforts to fool LE and save their own neck, with another parent's less effort to find their child, I just don't see how you can be kind of praising Casey's efforts. It seems to me that you're saying at least Casey handed out flyers and worked at the command center, etc., but she was doing that to FOOL them, not to help.

So I guess you could say at least Casey made greater efforts to fool LE than the Irwins are making to help them. I guess that's fair.

Or, you could say Casey made greater efforts to fool LE than the Irwins are making to fool LE. That's fair too.

 

[curiositycat]

Regarding JI, it's amazing how my mind has changed about him from one day to the next. I do see him as being a bit of a control freak, just something I picked up from the fact that DB mentioned that he follows her around the house turning off lights behind her.
I also see him having something to hold over her head with that house being his. He made the statement he wants to go back there. That's understandable as this is not a real good time to sell a home.

Someone mentioned her lack of decorating skills, but honestly, that house is HIS. Maybe he didn't want her coming in there and changing things.

I could have sworn I heard MSM say yesterday that it was JI that didn't want them interviewed separately.

As far as his body language, that can be interpreted two different ways. JMOO
Some think his constant looking down, the fact that he very rarely looks an interviewer in the eyes, ect. is a sign of guilt.

I have not, in my mind, eliminated him as a suspect.

 

[Turnadot]

Do you see how ironic this is? Casey was doing it to FOIL the investigation. She wasn't making efforts - at all - to help.

Comparing a person's efforts to fool LE and save their own neck, with another parent's less effort to find their child, I just don't see how you can be kind of praising Casey's efforts. It seems to me that you're saying at least Casey handed out flyers and worked at the command center, etc., but she was doing that to FOOL them, not to help.

I think we're talking past each other here, which is probably my fault. Despite my efforts, I sometimes still have trouble communicating in English.

KC was doing it to foil LE, no doubt; she didn't give a toss about Caylee. But the fact remains, she went through the motions of giving a crap.

DB and JI can't even be bothered to do that much.

IMO

And I feel dirty now for how many times I've typed KC's name.

 

[Abby Normal]

Right. But on your last sentence, they still wouldn't get any information about what happened to Lisa. Assuming she did something, and he doesn't know, convincing him to distance himself from her and turn on her still won't get them closer to the truth . ..

Unless he has information he doesn't realize is damning. Special places she might leave her baby or so forth.

There is a reason they always try to play people against each other, because once shoved the other person almost always has something- even if they've convinced themselves it's nothing.

If they have some new evidence, that they haven't released to media, showing him alone and without lawyers that also represent her- they may be able to flip him. Flipping him may produce more information. He may even think he's protecting her because he thinks her incapable of hurting Lisa.

So, I disagree that flipping him against her wouldn't bring them any closer to the truth. It's a shot at least, that they don't otherwise have.

again: not my theory, just a thought on why JI is standing by and why LE might want him sans lawyer that is also looking out for her interest. I bet if they had separate lawyers LE would feel better about the arrangement.

 

[Sigh Sister]

I don't believe the whole family, their friends, and the attorneys grew too exhausted to talk to the press overnight. I don't believe Ms. Short's explanation for the cancellation, just one day after promoting it, is credible. IF she had planned to have both of the parents at today's conference, she could have scaled it back to one. She could have had other family members participate. She could have done it herself, with photos of Lisa. She didn't announce who and what was going to place in advance; there was no previous commitment as to whom would appear. She cancelled instead. It looks bad and Ms. Short is not a stupid woman, she knows it looks bad. Something major caused the cancellation, imo.

I think it's interesting how differently we see people, fascinating to me. I don't see Debbi Bradley as naive in any way, shape or form. I would never describe her that way from what we've seen of her in her interviews. I respect that many others have commented on their opinion that she is, so I keep looking for it. I see just the opposite, go figure. Diversity is good.:rocker:

Also, imo, it does not take a seasoned criminal or "mastermind" to get away a crime for a long period of time, or even forever. It takes the willingness to lie, omit, and destroy evidence. Luck helps too. If it's murder, hiding the body in a place that is difficult to find and not leaving a trail is a big plus. Imo, none of this a mastermind makes, especially if the person responsible is suspected by LE early on. You don't have to be a mastermind to be devious. I could cite countless examples of criminals that got away with horrendous crimes for a long time (some suspected early on, others not), many of them just plain ignorant, but won't derail the thread. Point is, doesn't take a mastermind to make a helpless 10 month old disappear, imo.

Still hoping that the boys' interview for tomorrow is not cancelled and that we get a "press release" confirming it's a go, if anyone has the strength to release one.
:seeya:

BBM (My first! I just figured out what it meant yesterday)

It is interesting to see how different people view this case in general. If we all agreed, this wouldn't be much of a discussion board. I've been thinking about this and I've wondered if the two camps (guilty and fence sitters) would also break down along political lines.

 

[ClueMeIn]

JeannaT,

She was not "praising" CA, but rather wondering why the Irwins wouldn't do at least that much! At least! Man! My daughter was missing for 2 hours. I had already ran up and down our big neighborhood, screaming her name, and knocking on every single door. Every single neighbor was out helping pound on doors, search under beds, in houses! There was instant fervor! Where is that? That is all we are asking? Where is the cry for help? Where is the begging for their child? Where is the hysteria?

 

[Turnadot]

BBM (My first! I just figured out what it meant yesterday)

It is interesting to see how different people view this case in general. If we all agreed, this wouldn't be much of a discussion board. I've been thinking about this and I've wondered if the two camps (guilty and fence sitters) would also break down along political lines.

I'm a fence sitter, leaning heavily towards guilt.

In America, I'd be a tree-hugging liberal with bleeding heart tendencies.

 

[Turnadot]

JeannaT,

She was not "praising" CA, but rather wondering why the Irwins wouldn't do at least that much! At least! Man! My daughter was missing for 2 hours. I had already ran up and down our big neighborhood, screaming her name, and knocking on every single door. Every single neighbor was out helping pound on doors, search under beds, in houses! There was instant fervor! Where is that? That is all we are asking? Where is the cry for help? Where is the begging for their child? Where is the hysteria?

Yes, thank you! That!

They just seem so lackadaisical about their missing infant.

IMO

 

[JeannaT]

JeannaT,

She was not "praising" CA, but rather wondering why the Irwins wouldn't do at least that much! At least! Man! My daughter was missing for 2 hours. I had already ran up and down our big neighborhood, screaming her name, and knocking on every single door. Every single neighbor was out helping pound on doors, search under beds, in houses! There was instant fervor! Where is that? That is all we are asking? Where is the cry for help? Where is the begging for their child? Where is the hysteria?

Yes, I get that.

What I'm saying is, guilty people seem to scream the loudest that they're innocent, when innocent people often just stand there and look bewildered. So Casey was screaming in every way she knew how that she was innocent but in fact she's a liar and she was guilty as sin. Compared to the Irwins who many believe aren't doing enough to proclaim their innocence and find their missing daughter.

Don't mean to go down a rabbit hole here. I just think Casey's reaction was pretty typical of a guilty person, and the Irwins is pretty typical of the way innocent people behave when LE appears to put the spotlight of guilt on them. They don't react much.

 

[BritsKate]

BBM (My first! I just figured out what it meant yesterday)

It is interesting to see how different people view this case in general. If we all agreed, this wouldn't be much of a discussion board. I've been thinking about this and I've wondered if the two camps (guilty and fence sitters) would also break down along political lines.

:seeya: I happen to be a moderate democrat who thinks DB is guilty (likely of murder) and JI is complicit.

 

[yllek]

BBM (My first! I just figured out what it meant yesterday)

It is interesting to see how different people view this case in general. If we all agreed, this wouldn't be much of a discussion board. I've been thinking about this and I've wondered if the two camps (guilty and fence sitters) would also break down along political lines.

I agree. If everyone saw things the same way, there would be no point in discussion.

I don't know if there's any correlation between how we view this case and political affiliations. Interesting thought. Imo, probably more about perceptions of what the known facts mean + personal experiences, more than politics. Who knows though?

 

[Sigh Sister]

JeannaT,

She was not "praising" CA, but rather wondering why the Irwins wouldn't do at least that much! At least! Man! My daughter was missing for 2 hours. I had already ran up and down our big neighborhood, screaming her name, and knocking on every single door. Every single neighbor was out helping pound on doors, search under beds, in houses! There was instant fervor! Where is that? That is all we are asking? Where is the cry for help? Where is the begging for their child? Where is the hysteria?

I lost my son in a store when he was 11 for about 5 minutes. I ran up and down the aisles screaming his name, yelling for help. I was completely hysterical. They locked the store down and all the employees started a search of the stores. Turns out he had to use the bathroom and was sitting in there the whole time. Once we found him, he said he could hear us yelling for him, but couldn't get off the toilet. It's funny now, but at the time I was completely traumatized. And he got an earful for just walking off.

 

[Turnadot]

Yes, I get that.

What I'm saying is, guilty people seem to scream the loudest that they're innocent, when innocent people often just stand there and look bewildered. So Casey was screaming in every way she knew how that she was innocent but in fact she's a liar and she was guilty as sin. Compared to the Irwins who many believe aren't doing enough to proclaim their innocence and find their missing daughter.

Don't mean to go down a rabbit hole here. I just think Casey's reaction was pretty typical of a guilty person, and the Irwins is pretty typical of the way innocent people behave when LE appears to put the spotlight of guilt on them. They don't react much.

Not even to Lisa being abducted! It's so strange, they're just so lackadaisical about it all. I keep hearing how they must be tired, scared and panicked, but I'm not picking up on that from them at all.

It feels like the time my uncle's chickens ran away to the farm down the road, and my uncle just kind of shrugged and kept eating his lunch.

IMO

 

[ClueMeIn]

I am a tree hugging liberal, tis true! My heart only bleeds for the ones that truly deserve it though. :crazy: