Long Easter Weekend Thread (Apr. 5, 6, 7, 8, & 9, 2012)

[swedie]

Wrong cliche. I think the one the defense is using here is "let's throw enough s*^* to the wall and see what sticks." Derstine is clinging to a necro song that isn't even on TLM's ipod. If that is his definition of treasure, well, good luck to his client.

imo

The defense only has that one leg (Necro music influence TLM) to stand on and it's apparent. It really blows my mind when I think of all the chances they have had to cross examine all the people who have taken the stand thus far, and nothing, nada, zip. They have brought absolutely nothing forward in their questioning, to shed even a glimmer of doubt their client is not guilty. Derstine better pull up his socks if he cares at all about getting MR off. Could it be Derstine's heart is ruling his head in this case? :waitasec: JMHO

Comparing Derstine to Baez; at least Baez threw against the wall and it stuck. CA got off. :floorlaugh:

TLM IMHO stood up very well to Derstine's cross. I bet this last part stuck well in the jurors minds when TLM said “But I’m not the only guilty party here, and that’s why I’m sitting here today.”Just a snippet.


As he remarked later of McClintic’s performance in another of the early interviews, when she was denying everything, “it all came out so naturally, it just flowed, as if it was the truth?”

“Yes,” McClintic admitted.

Toward the end of the day, as Mr. Derstine grew sarcastic, asking questions prefaced with a variant of, “So it’s not your fault then?”, McClintic gave as good as she got.

“I’m not saying that,” she said once. “I did what I did.

“But I’m not the only guilty party here, and that’s why I’m sitting here today.”

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...e-terri-lynne-mcclintic-tells-defence-lawyer/

 

[crazyladi]

I want the following people to testify

The owners and regular bar visitors

MR's mom, ex-girlfriends, his ex employers etc

MR's background is to air tight and no one knows anything about him just bits and pieces and most women that dated him never saw his family nor did he talk about it. Why is he so secretive?

Was he able to be himself when he was with TLM because he was in his element with her and she wouldnt judge him because of the way she was?

Sorry there is just so many pieces missing about him and I want to hear why. There had to have been signs from when he was younger but no one but his mother could really know those type of details.

He may not have a record but it could be that he had never been caught.

Not one person has really stood up saying what an outstanding person he was. If I knew someone that was convicted of killing an 8yr old girl and possible sexual assault and I really didnt think he could do that I would stand up and say something. Why is it the only ones talking are disgruntled ex girlfriends?

JMO

 

[maxfactor]

I'm going through the evidence pics again, funny how the more you look at them the more you notice! Pic #38, I see what looks like a CD insert, SWAGGA something or other. This seems like a rap item to me, can anyone else see it better? ( aging eyes) Then in pic 41, I see Much Dance 2009 which is what TLM said they were listening to. I wonder why he had that, is it the kind of music he would normally listen to?

Seeing all the speakers in that car I see why no one outside the car would have heard Tori if she was crying or screaming.:furious:

 

[swedie]

I thought it looked like he was wearing one of the CSI type thin paper suits like the one the mannequin is wearing in this photo (hard to tell though!):

(Photo 16 here: http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/04/05/19599891.html )


All of those circled areas look promising for forensic evidence - has there been any news about the coat in the trial so far? I may have missed it.

Great eyes Abbey, I believe you are spot on. Looks like the same suit to me. Looks more like a dress affair. Wouldn't that just be cute?! :floorlaugh:

 

[Kamille]

I don't remember reading anything that stated that he removed his backseat for this purpose at all. However, there is a slide that show speakers under the removed seat (shows up when the blanket is removed) and other slides that shows a speaker in his trunk.

under the blankets: slide 85
trunk: slides 86-88

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/04/05/19599961.html

I don't believe there are any speakers under the back seat and the one in the trunk was likely already installed. That is where you install large speakers in these kind of cars.

MOO

 

[crazyladi]

I'm going through the evidence pics again, funny how the more you look at them the more you notice! Pic #38, I see what looks like a CD insert, SWAGGA something or other. This seems like a rap item to me, can anyone else see it better? ( aging eyes) Then in pic 41, I see Much Dance 2009 which is what TLM said they were listening to. I wonder why he had that, is it the kind of music he would normally listen to?

Seeing all the speakers in that car I see why no one outside the car would have heard Tori if she was crying or screaming.:furious:

The swagga thing looks to be some type of docking station or something to do with an IPOD however when you google that here is what I came up with

It means a style or personality or this is what I read as well

"He's a foul creature that lives in the depths of the minds of young teenagers. He proliferates ignorance and makes people act stupid. They start wearing tacky clothing that's starting to trend and they only listen to music other teenagers are listening to. They do these things so that they may please Swagger in the hopes that he will possess the mind of a an ignorant teenage female for the purpose of mating. They sacrifice their soul and originality to Swagger so that they may be accepted among their peers."

 

[crazyladi]

I cant seem to find a link that directs to something in particular with Swagga electronics

Here is one link http://www.zazzle.ca/swagga+electronics

Or swagga speakers? http://www.zazzle.ca/swagga+speakers this is what I think they are

 

[crazyladi]

So was MR on the run or something when the police found him and arrested him? Why would someone have that many shoes including sandals? Where would he wear the sandals?

Did he get kicked out or was he moving from one girls house to another and he wanted all his shoes in one place?

 

[crazyladi]

I just also would like someone to confirm to me the white dash board. That was done prior to the abduction right?

 

[Hello_Kitty]

I just also would like someone to confirm to me the white dash board. That was done prior to the abduction right?

To me that's what it appears to be. I remember the photos of the Esso station and the dashboard looks as tho it had been whitewashed already.

 

[matou]

I'm pretty sure that this is the sweatshirt that MR is wearing in his mugshot:

JMO

Can you provide the link for the photos with the balloons please. JMO

 

[swedie]

So I am stuck at these two things.

Did MTR know TM and JG and did TLM know TM and JG. It was already established earlier that TM and JG would go over to TLM mothers house to pick up oxy's and talk dog breeding. TM mentioned two visits with TLM being there only saying the one time she was extremely out of it, the other time she was leaving when TM and JS were coming in. TM than stated that its possible that TS could have overheard the dog breeding.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1142826--tori-stafford-murder-trial-mother-s-shortcomings

MR during his police interview at his house said that "the mom um Tara that she’s like at Goodtime Charlie’s and that
place is like a crack bar apparently like everybody who does
drugs in the town hangs out there so um just (laugh) I don’t
know how to react to it like I don’t it’s not my business but on
the other hand it’s too much drama when you hear somebody
like gossiping and talking behind other people’s backs "

It was also stated in the Toronto star that MR often spent evenings at good time charlies

http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/637413

So am I meant to believe that there isnt more of a connection to the 4 then we are made to believe? They all claim to not really know each other and if they all hung out and were regulars at the bar I would think that MR knew more about TM then TLM did. When you are a regular you hear stuff about other people and if they were all into the same drugs they either all know the same dealers or they bought from each other.

I stand firm on what I believe and I really do not think it was a random abduction.

IIRC TM stated in one of, I believe her last PC after the arrests, she did not know MR. RS also claimed to have not known MR or TLM. TM admitted to seeing TLM twice, but not knowing her. I for one do not believe it was a drug debt abduction and here's why:

-LE have stated from the day TLM and MR were arrested, Tori was abducted for nefarious and sexual purposes.

-There has been absolutely nothing this far into the case to suggest it was a drug debt and even the defense is not heading in that direction....yet.

-TLM stated Tori was a random child, and this has been consistent from day one.

-LE have never mentioned or hint Tori's abduction was drug debt related.

-According to TLM, MR said Tori was too old.

-The information as stated by TLM, MR was scoping out houses of single mothers with young children, to break into and tie people up in hopes of abducting the single mother's child. At least that is what I take from that.

-TM admitted on the stand she did not owe any drug debt, JG had a $400 one which IMO is nothing to abduct a child over, and Tori was not JG's child.

-IMHO it was MR who wanted to sexually assault a young girl because IMO he is a sexual deviant. He found a sick minded individual to help him with his fantasy.

Just my opinion and belief. HTH

 

[crazyladi]

To me that's what it appears to be. I remember the photos of the Esso station and the dashboard looks as tho it had been whitewashed already.

Okay thanks I wasnt sure if that was old news or new news because I thought thats what happened but then they put it into evidence so I was not sure why if it was done before and not to hide anything.

 

[crazyladi]

IIRC TM stated in one of, I believe her last PC after the arrests, she did not know MR. RS also claimed to have not known MR or TLM. TM admitted to seeing TLM twice, but not knowing her. I for one do not believe it was a drug debt abduction and here's why:

-LE have stated from the day TLM and MR were arrested, Tori was abducted for nefarious and sexual purposes.

-There has been absolutely nothing this far into the case to suggest it was a drug debt and even the defense is not heading in that direction.

-TLM stated Tori was a random child, and this has been consistent from day one.

-LE have never mentioned or hint Tori's abduction was drug debt related.

-According to TLM, MR said Tori was too old.

-The information as stated by TLM, MR was scoping out houses of single mothers with young children, to break into and tie people up in hopes of abducting the single mother's child. At least that is what I take from that.

-TM admitted on the stand she did not owe any drug debt, JG had a $400 one which IMO is nothing to abduct a child over, and Tori was not JG's child.

-IMHO it was MR who wanted to sexually assault a young girl because IMO he is a sexual deviant. He found a sick minded individual to help him with his fantasy.

Just my opinion and belief. HTH

Sorry maybe I should have been more clear. I dont think it was because of a drug debt I just thought it was quite weird that they all seemed to have run across each other one time maybe not realizing so much as they all did drugs but word of mouth and what was said by TLM in her testimony about JG being a diddler and MR saying that TM was into a lot of drugs makes me wonder how much they overheard during these drugged out times.

Possibly finding out that TM did have a daughter making it more not a random act. If that makes sense.

 

[dilbert]

-There has been absolutely nothing this far into the case to suggest it was a drug debt and even the defense is not heading in that direction....yet.
-

Really?

Derstine presented an alternative villain and scenario for the jury.

"The abduction was your idea," he suggested to McClintic. "You went and lured this girl. You brought her in the car all friendly that Michael thought nothing of it. Later on you told him that the girl was in the car for a drug debt. Still later . . . you offered her to Michael, sexually. When it became clear that he didn't want your gift, you directed him to a rural location on a pretext . . . You said that she could be taken to a safe house. Once you got to that lane you told him to walk away because you wanted to talk to the little girl because she was scared of him. You . . . threw her down and killed her. Mr Rafferty came back after the death, was horrified, but helped you clean up."

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/03/23/19543041.html

 

[crazyladi]

Sorry maybe I should have been more clear. I dont think it was because of a drug debt I just thought it was quite weird that they all seemed to have run across each other one time maybe not realizing so much as they all did drugs but word of mouth and what was said by TLM in her testimony about JG being a diddler and MR saying that TM was into a lot of drugs makes me wonder how much they overheard during these drugged out times.

Possibly finding out that TM did have a daughter making it more not a random act. If that makes sense.

BBM wow my English is so fantastic LOL :floorlaugh:

 

[dilbert]

Can you provide the link for the photos with the balloons please. JMO

You weren't quoting me, but here is the link. Click on photos. <Modsnip>

http://www.canada.com/news/Video+Audio+interview+with+Michael+Rafferty+clip/6351329/story.html

 

[swedie]

The woman TLM assaulted. What I found interesting is AM was told by the judge, see my bolded sentence below. This makes me wonder if TLM will get the faint hope clause as nothing has come close to that judges statement to McIntyre. All reports about TLM's sentencing just say life sentence 25 years no chance of parole.:waitasec: I pray she gets at least 25 years.

No chance of parole for 25 years
After being convicted of first-degree murder, McClintic was given a mandatory sentence of life imprisonment, which carries the chance of parole in 25 years.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2010/12/09/tori-stafford-mcclintic.html

Bobcaygeon woman gets life in prison.A McIntyre found guilty of murder of Ajax man in 2007.

Following the verdict, Justice Salmers sentenced Ms. McIntyre to the obligatory sentence of life with no parole for 25 years. The judge noted the Criminal Code allows Ms. McIntyre to apply for a review of her sentence after 15 years; the provision is commonly referred to as the “faint hope clause”.[/I]

http://www.mykawartha.com/news/news/article/812692

 

[Ardy]

IIRC initially, the investigation focused on TM and rumors of drug debts.

Given Woodstock's small population of 20 somethings, only 3 high schools, and one methadone clinic, and few hangouts to choose from, and the much more limited number of oxy addicts, I would be more surprised that they didn't know each other.........than did.

Getting a supply of drugs is more important to an oxy addict than anything else, so it wouldn't be surprising if some people aren't disclosing everything they know.

 

[swedie]

Sorry maybe I should have been more clear. I dont think it was because of a drug debt I just thought it was quite weird that they all seemed to have run across each other one time maybe not realizing so much as they all did drugs but word of mouth and what was said by TLM in her testimony about JG being a diddler and MR saying that TM was into a lot of drugs makes me wonder how much they overheard during these drugged out times.

Possibly finding out that TM did have a daughter making it more not a random act. If that makes sense.

No problem CL. I may have misunderstood your post. Another point would be MR told LE in that interview he did not know TM or JG. Of course that could also be just another one of his many lies. :moo: