long weekend break: discuss the latest here #101

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  • #161
Everyone has the right to their opinion. I will share mine with you, Juan is passionate about his job. I believe the interrogation tape with Flores proves treating Jodi with kid gloves will not get you anywhere and therefore I found his treatment of her was needed.
Beyond that the fact that while Juan pounded at her she smugly and sarcastically tried to smack right back at him. The actions of a timid PTSD victim? I think not.

Yes, Juan is a passionate man and I admire that about him.

One of the best statements I have heard during this trial was made by a defense attorney believe it or not when it was being discussed by some that Juan was too harsh on Jodi. He said 'No Prosecutor should ever go easy on a cold blooded murderer who is also a psychological liar.'

Now Samuels is willing to sell his soul to the devil for the almighty buck and he too should be treated with much disdain by Juan Martinez and he will be.
 
  • #162
Thanks for the response. In what way are the heights and weights wrong? Also I realize some think there were no ropes including my wife. The testimony says there was albeit from the lying defendant. If there were ropes, why would she take only them and the gun from the scene?

Mr Pizza we are glad you are here on WS
 
  • #163
I agree with you.

And if Juan had been kind and respectful towards Samuels, we would have never known that he lied and cheated on these useless tests. It is because the prosecutor came at him like a pit bull, that the doctor was shaken up enough to spill the beans.

Juan Martinez definitely knows what he is doing. I, for one, will not question his strategy.

:D
 
  • #164
Lady dr Beth?.. On NG says she is very worried about Dr. Fog sending JA the book. Says that shows he had feelings for her.

I've rewinded NG so I'm about 10 min behind normal time.

Dr. Bethany Marshall. I like her.
 
  • #165
I scored 12 and I was being honest...oh carp...another thing to deal with.

Man ..my issues have issues.

I'm going to wait and let Doctor Samuels fill it in for me.
 
  • #166
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder Screening Test

Screening Results
Your Score = 10

You are likely suffering from post traumatic stress; please contact us for more information.

10. Are you experiencing problems with falling or staying asleep?
11. Are you having trouble concentrating, being irritable or jumpy?


At first, I attributed these to drinking too much coffee. Now I know: it's PTSD! I'm glad I'm not alone! :blushing:
 
  • #167
I missed everything after 3:30, but I just read on the last thread that Jodi's rights to a fair trial could be impeded by Travis' family wearing ribbons. I wonder, then, does Jodi's mom wearing her #1 MOM necklace impede Travis' right to a fair trial?
 
  • #168
Originally Posted by Mr Pizza
I haven't been able to watch all of the trial. I have a question that maybe some of you can help me with. I am pretty much the same height and weight as TA but 20 years older. I can think of no way a 115 pound female could stab me 29 times unless I was physically restrained. After the first stab, I would be in fight for survival mode. I might not survive, but she would surely be at least seriously injured if not killed. You might get stabbed once if it was from behind. The second stab would be a glancing blow as you turned towards your attacker. There wouldn't be a 3rd stab wound except maybe a defensive wound to the hands or forearms. I would think any 200 pound man could incapacitate any 115 pound woman with a single blow. From that point it would go very badly for the smaller incapacitated attacker. I believe the gunshot was forensically proven to have occurred after the stabbings. But even at that a .25 pistol is not immediately debilitating under most circumstances. It makes me wonder if that's why JA removed the ropes from the scene. Were they used in the commission of the crime? Was TA tied up either as sex play or at gunpoint before the knife attack occurred?

My comments:

Remember that this murder happened in 62 seconds. Travis was naked, wet, and no doubt this was a surprise attack. I would think that the first stab wound was a great shock to his system. Physically and mentally. I think if I were stabbed my first instinct would be surprise and my hands would go to my wound and/or up to protect myself. Before Travis was able to regroup and perhaps disarm her he was stabbed again and again. By the time he made it to the sink he was dying IMO and would not have been able to do much of anything. He never had a chance.

There's no evidence of rope being used. Just the words from JA's mouth.

I asked my DH about this & he thinks that the first stab was probably to his chest & the one that nicked his heart vessel/membrane around the heart & also nicked the lung--Travis would experience a profound loss of blood pressure due to the immediate loss of blood--he was forced to a seated position, naked in a wet shower--she attacked in a frenzy.

Since he moved out of the shower to the sink, and then down the hall he was trying to flee--he didn't have the strength to fight.:moo:
 
  • #169
Yeah, I'm not believing the rope scenario. Aside from that though, and something that doesn't get mentioned a lot, is how well this crime scene was really cleaned for a presumably first time murderer.

Think about it. All they had from 29 stab wounds, a shot to the head, and a near decapitation (God, I'm so sorry, Travis.) was one partial left palm print with comingled blood, hair, and of course the photos she believed she'd deleted on the camera she washed presumably to destroy evidence.

There was almost no evidence at all of her even being there. Despite a 13 hour stay in his home if we're to believe what time she arrived by her own statement. That truly boggles my mind after seeing many crime scenes, not nearly as brutal, produce a lot more evidence.

But apparently I'm wrong and it was frenzied so it means she never meant to kill him.

My logic dictates though if the clean up were as frenzied and foggy as the defense expert wishes us to believe there would be a lot more evidence. I'm goofy like that.

BBM

The messy crime scene only shows that she didn't expect him to get out of the shower. Little Jodi had hoped that one shot to the head while in the shower (after he had washed her DNA off of himself) would do the job. No muss, no fuss. Then the gun jammed for the second shot and things deviated from her plan ...

Recall in her first interview with Flores when she said that if she DID kill Travis, then she would shoot him ... CONTINUOUSLY until he was dead.

??? Who would say that under a hypothetical situation? If you were innocent, you would just say that you would shoot him. Period.
 
  • #170
Hi all - I missed today in its entirety. Can anyone give me a quick synopsis and where did today end? Were jury questions read?
 
  • #171
Former FBI pro-filer that works on 'Criminal Minds' said last night on some HLN show (they all run together at this point, lol)...that Jodi is a PRO at lying. One of the best he's ever seen.

What an accomplishment - her mom must be so proud.
 
  • #172
I am LOVING Nancy Grace tonight!
 
  • #173
The doctor forgets that some of us have had to study these tests and find where someone can fake them...and it did not require me to do what he said (the elaborate studying of ptsd) to avoid the lying area whatever he said.

that was fake for the jury.

IMO what you need to do on longer, better-constructed tests to avoid triggering the "validity scale" is to make sure you never answer inconsistently, slightly downplay your fake symptoms on approx 3 questions, and be alert for the questions that (in the opinion of psychologists) "everyone" has to answer one way if they are being honest (e.g., "True or False: Sometimes I feel frustrated when things are not going the way I had hoped." Answer "true" every time.).
 
  • #174
Hope no one minds, just wanted some insight on this, moved over from end of last thread. I haven't been able to watch all of the trial. I have a question that maybe some of you can help me with. I am pretty much the same height and weight as TA but 20 years older. I can think of no way a 115 pound female could stab me 29 times unless I was physically restrained. After the first stab, I would be in fight for survival mode. I might not survive, but she would surely be at least seriously injured if not killed. You might get stabbed once if it was from behind. The second stab would be a glancing blow as you turned towards your attacker. There wouldn't be a 3rd stab wound except maybe a defensive wound to the hands or forearms. I would think any 200 pound man could incapacitate any 115 pound woman with a single blow. From that point it would go very badly for the smaller incapacitated attacker. I believe the gunshot was forensically proven to have occurred after the stabbings. But even at that a .25 pistol is not immediately debilitating under most circumstances. It makes me wonder if that's why JA removed the ropes from the scene. Were they used in the commission of the crime? Was TA tied up either as sex play or at gunpoint before the knife attack occurred?

No ropes and no ligature marks found on autopsy.
I think if you were surprised by a so called friend while in the shower, who stabbed you in the heart and perforated your vena cava, you'd go into a state of shock more than fright or flight mode. Taking advantage of that shocked state, your smaller attacker could have had a hayday on you and that's what happened here IMO.
 
  • #175
PTSD self test. don't tell me we can't fake this to make us all seem like we are suffering. Everyone take the test! And these are samples of the type of questions. Just look at them, I can tell what it wants me to say, and if I say it I'm stressed :)

http://www.reshealth.org/rhcservices/behavioral/ptsd.cfm

:what:
Screening Results

Your Score = over 9000

You are likely suffering from I hate Jodi Arias syndrome; please eat an apple and continue hating.
 
  • #176
I love watching Juan! He paces around the courtroom like a panther!!


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  • #177
I took the PTSD test but didn't read the questions. Just did Y and N whenever I felt like it. My score was 5 and said I may have issues and call.

So basically ANY answer you provide leads them to say you have PTSD or may.
 
  • #178
BBM

The messy crime scene only shows that she didn't expect him to get out of the shower. Little Jodi had hoped that one shot to the head while in the shower would do the job. No muss, no fuss. Then the gun jammed for the second shot and things deviated from her plan ...

Recall in her first interview with Flores when she said that if she DID kill Travis, then she would shoot him ... CONTINUOUSLY until he was dead.

??? Who would say that under a hypothetical situation? If you were innocent, you would just say that you would shoot him. Period.

If she thought one shot would do it, why did she bring the knife?
 
  • #179
Originally Posted by Mr Pizza
Hope no one minds, just wanted some insight on this, moved over from end of last thread. I haven't been able to watch all of the trial. I have a question that maybe some of you can help me with. I am pretty much the same height and weight as TA but 20 years older. I can think of no way a 115 pound female could stab me 29 times unless I was physically restrained. After the first stab, I would be in fight for survival mode. I might not survive, but she would surely be at least seriously injured if not killed. You might get stabbed once if it was from behind. The second stab would be a glancing blow as you turned towards your attacker. There wouldn't be a 3rd stab wound except maybe a defensive wound to the hands or forearms. I would think any 200 pound man could incapacitate any 115 pound woman with a single blow. From that point it would go very badly for the smaller incapacitated attacker. I believe the gunshot was forensically proven to have occurred after the stabbings. But even at that a .25 pistol is not immediately debilitating under most circumstances. It makes me wonder if that's why JA removed the ropes from the scene. Were they used in the commission of the crime? Was TA tied up either as sex play or at gunpoint before the knife attack occurred?

BBM

The problem is you are thinking about it, rather than actually experiencing someone stabbing you with a knife.

We get this a lot, people who just can't believe a healthy male could be stabbed to death by a girl (a GIRL!) simply because she's holding a knife and he's not.

Rather than think about it, here's a useful experiment which will require the following equipment:

1. A 1" paint brush

2. Paint

3. A 12 year old girl.

Have the 12 year old girl daub the paint brush with red paint. Try to really annoy the 12 year old girl. Then instruct the 12 year old girl to use the paint brush as if it were a knife.

Try to take the paint brush away from her.

What will happen is you will start to get paint on your hands. If you try to grab the paint brush, it will slid through your hands. Obviously it won't cut your hand down to the (very useful) tendons by trying to grab it, but you can note the theoretical damage. Once you get paint on your hands you are now no longer allowed to use your hands. Trying to grab the 12 year old girl in a bear hug will result in you getting paint on your chest, stomach, face etc. At which point you might think it's a good idea to start running so as to figure out how to stop getting paint on you. At which point you will have paint all over your back.

Keep in mind that an actual knife is harder to grab, hurts more and actually does damage.

Oh, and this isn't a facetious experiment. Having done a lot of survival and primitive skills stuff with people who have thought wrong about a lot of stuff, using dummy knives is the best way to teach people that what they think they will do isn't what's actually going to happen and disarming people with knives is the sort of thing that you see in movies which, like blowing up gas tanks, is a lot harder to do in reality.

As a general rule of thumb you should plan on the person having the weapon (yes, even a GIRL!) such as gun, knife, baseball bat, etc winning the conflict whereas the person without a weapon (even manly men) tends to lose.

Wet, naked, ambushed guys who have been socialized since they were zygotes not to hit girls (or anyone, for that matter) have a distinct disadvantage.
 
  • #180
In fact Jodi would have gotten some great tips from her girlfriends in prison. She did not take the test until 2010. (i think he said)

That gave her years to discuss how to take the tests the ladies told her she'd be taking.
 
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