long weekend break: discuss the latest here #102

[Gypsy Road]

If you really look at her sometimes, she looks like a "man" ... just sayin'

Her walk and her big hands and so many other things ... just take away the hair and glasses ... well maybe somebody could photoshop some of her pix. She looks (facially) very masculine to me. :what:

My husband says the exact same thing - says she looks very manly.

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

That really seems to be the case. They asked a lot of premeditation related questions yesterday. And lowering her sentence to murder two would require them believing what she says about Travis. They have indicated that they don't believe anything she says and and that maybe one or two of them think Travis might have been a pretty decent guy.

Yes, the Jurors know that Travis was at least a pretty decent guy and did not deserve to be bludgeoned to death. The Jurors also understand that he will take sex from someone that lives millions of miles away and willing to give it. What the Jurors CANNOT understand is how she turned off her cellphone and filled up with gas and stabbed at least 27 times along with a gunshot to the head.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

That really seems to be the case. They asked a lot of premeditation related questions yesterday. And lowering her sentence to murder two would require them believing what she says about Travis. They have indicated that they don't believe anything she says and and that maybe one or two of them think Travis might have been a pretty decent guy.

It would be nice to know how many of the jurors were asking questions. speaking of which, i get really irritated when JVM and some other THs on the boobtube complain that the jurors are asking too many questions. They are doing a public service, and in effect, giving JVM something to flap her gums about as she waves her pistol around at the camera crew. (had to add that for Paperwings LOL)

 

[MeeBee]

I agree she isn't even remotely like most people, lol. And she obviously didn't love Travis unconditionally either. Only on the condition that he took her to Cancun :what:

Exactly. Sociopaths don't love and they don't want love, they want control. They want to own you until you have nothing left to offer them. They prey on decent people, which Travis was. He was kind to her, tried to help her when he could but knew on the other hand she was off. Now, I do think on some level he held her at bay, but I don't think that's a bad thing. He was in the dating phase of his life and probably decided early on that Jodi wasn't the one, but liked that he was getting something no other woman he was serious about would give him before marriage: sex. And yeah, his friend didn't like her, but were they wrong? She was weird. Watch her in videos, even from before her arrest. I don't think it was just the sexually provocative thing that set off their alarms (though being Mormons, it probably didn't help). I honestly think from listening to them they didn't like how she behaved in general and the way she was with Travis in general. My sister is dating a guy like that. She thinks he is the world but I don't like him and I tell her so. He doesn't treat her right. He's bad news. When you get a feeling about someone, you have to follow your gut. The naive and easily accepting (Travis) may deny what they see.

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

My husband says the exact same thing - says she looks very manly.

My Husband says that she looks and sounds like the DEVIL :what:

 

[neesaki]

Yes, and there seems to be nothing behind her eyes -- lifeless, no soul, no sweetness, none of the appealing things we like to see when we look into someone's eyes -- and I don't necessarily mean a love-sex type look, which definitely is a reason to look into a special person's eyes -- I mean the way you can see "something" in there, like when a good friend is smiling or making a joke or talking about his/her grandchild, or telling you a secret or telling you something sad, etc., etc. That special... je ne sais quoi that makes eyes so very special and memorable.... She prolly had it once when she was very young, but I don't think she's had it for a very, very long time. She has lost that along with her soul. JMHO.

Yes, vacant, empty, soulless... and very creepy.:devil:

 

[neesaki]

My Husband says that she looks and sounds like the DEVIL :what:

Well, referring to my previous post, we're definitely on the same track tonight, lol.

 

[katydid23]

We have great jurors in this case - They asked a lot of smart questions.
They Know Already
GUILTY - PREMEDITATED MURDER 1 -

(Too bad this case isn't in UTAH)

I don't know anymore. I am actually kind of worried, for the first time. I just had dinner with my older brother, an attorney. We briefly talked about this case, and I was saying how confident I was, because the DT has not and will not be able to prove Self Defense.

My bro said 'so what ?'. They are probably not even really aiming for that. A great strategy is sometimes to 'hide the ball in the laundry basket', as he calls it. You get the state to spend time and energy arguing against 'self defense' and so they feel confident in their position. Meanwhile the DT slowly builds a legal foundation for something else, and gets the judge to include the lesser charges.

So for example, if they can get the DV expert to convince the jury that Jodi was a true victim of violence, then the battered woman syndrome creeps up.
And they try to get one or two sympathetic jurors to believe that JA was a silent victim and snapped when he came at her once again. It is not a true self defense strategy, it is more like a ' self defense at first but then I snapped from the constant abuse and committed overkill.'

It could come out of nowhere if they play it right.

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

Exactly. Sociopaths don't love and they don't want love, they want control. They want to own you until you have nothing left to offer them. They prey on decent people, which Travis was. He was kind to her, tried to help her when he could but knew on the other hand she was off. Now, I do think on some level he held her at bay, but I don't think that's a bad thing. He was in the dating phase of his life and probably decided early on that Jodi wasn't the one, but liked that he was getting something no other woman he was serious about would give him before marriage: sex. And yeah, his friend didn't like her, but were they wrong? She was weird. Watch her in videos, even from before her arrest. I don't think it was just the sexually provocative thing that set off their alarms (though being Mormons, it probably didn't help). I honestly think from listening to them they didn't like how she behaved in general and the way she was with Travis.

Thanks so much MeeBee - Great Explanation...She used the Mormon religion to get to TA. I don't blame the religion - I blame her for butchering him and I hope the Jury agrees with me. She planned this for a long time.

 

[Gypsy Road]

Have a few questions:

1) Has the gun that was used to shoot TA been found? If so, I haven't seen a picture of it.

No. The gun has never been found. Jodi says she tossed it in the desert.

What kind of gun was allegedly stolen from the grandfather's house? Is it possibly to get a rough estimate of the firing pin of that gun and match it to the casing found at the crime scene? Same type of gun .25

2) Did TA have .25 ACP ammo in the house? There's back and forth the she brought the gun, and her allegedly using a gun that Travis owns. There is a picture in evidence of .22lr and .22 mag ammo, but where is that picture taken. No ammo what so ever found on Travis' house

3) Does the grandfather have .25 ACP ammo in the house, and if so, does it match the casing found at the crime scene? I don't know whether ammo was found in grandfather's house. Good question. I know someone here will know the answer.

4) Do any of the knives found in the house match the profile of the wounds in TA? (In other words, did she bring her own knife? Was she planning on just using the gun?) The knife used was never found. We don't know where the knife came from.

5) Are there any side view pictures of the casing? IMO, it would be preferable to shoot TA first as using a knife for the initial attack would be easier for the victim to defend. I understand the casing is on top of blood, but could have been displaced during the altercation. If it was displaced, there may be blood on the sides of the casing in which we can't see from an aerial view. The entry is also angled, right to left downward. Possibly shot when TA was sitting in the shower.

6) Why would there be pictures of him and then apx one minute later the camera is in the hallway during all of this? Did she have the camera in her hand the whole time while stabbing him?

7) There's tassel from a pillow on the staircase, and talk about a knife was used to cut rope. Where is that knife, any rope residue on the knife? and where is the rope?

We don't know where the knife is, and it is suspected that there was no rope. The tassel was from a pillow from the chase lounge I believe.

Welcome to Websleuths!
:seeya:

I answered (in red) your questions to the best of my knowledge. Hope someone else can elaborate more, or correct anything I may have not answered correctly.

 

[paperwing]

Are you the one who did that in the last thread? That was awesome. I got all caught up in it too and then you stopped. lol! It was absolutely dead on! I loved it. Way to go. If you start back up, please post it, cuz it was hilarious!:rocker:

...um... (trying to hide, sheepishly) ...Yep, that was me... (and thanks!)
I got SO into pretending to be JM that never got to my point... (I'm known for that). Didn't want to edit and just hit 'reply'. It was still cathartic. And it's a long weekend so... kay:

Thankfully, we have JM (for real!) to champion and fight for the victim here - for Travis, like no one else can. :blue:

 

[MeeBee]

I don't know anymore. I am actually kind of worried, for the first time. I just had dinner with my older brother, an attorney. We briefly talked about this case, and I was saying how confident I was, because the DT has not and will not be able to prove Self Defense.

My bro said 'so what ?'. They are probably not even really aiming for that. A great strategy is sometimes to 'hide the ball in the laundry basket', as he calls it. You get the state to spend time and energy arguing against 'self defense' and so they feel confident in their position. Meanwhile the DT slowly builds a legal foundation for something else, and gets the judge to include the lesser charges.

So for example, if they can get the DV expert to convince the jury that Jodi was a true victim of violence, then the battered woman syndrome creeps up.
And they try to get one or two sympathetic jurors to believe that JA was a silent victim and snapped when he came at her once again. It is not a true self defense strategy, it is more like a ' self defense at first but then I snapped from the constant abuse and committed overkill.'

It could come out of nowhere if they play it right.

Getting the DV to convince the jury of that relies on a couple things. 1. they have to believe Jodi's lies about Travis (they clearly don't) and 2. they have to be able to put the overwhelming evidence of premeditation, including her lie on the stand about a third gas can, aside. If this jury comes to the conclusion that this was premeditated, and that what she says about Travis cannot be trusted, and that his death was particularly cruel and heinous, then they will have no choice but to give her murder in the first degree. I am so not worried about LaViolette.

 

[MeeBee]

This perfectly explains what is going on in Jodi's mind. She was a psychopathic stalker.

http://psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com/2012/04/17/psychopaths-and-stalking/

 

[Gypsy Road]

My Husband says that she looks and sounds like the DEVIL :what:

LOL! I'm sure my hubby thinks that as well. He thinks she is just plain gross, disgusting and evil. He does a full body shake (not to be confused with the chihuahua shakes) whenever I bring her up and talk about the trial. She scares him!

 

[Kensie]

Imo one of the worst offenses of today's educational system is to value "self esteem" over behavior so that plenty of criminals have "self esteem."

One of the smartest people I know insists there is "no such thing as a superiority complex." In fact, when I looked up the term just now I see it is a mechanism to cover up feelings of inferiority.

Jodi's handwriting reveals she has low goals, is deceitful and manipulative, dishonest, concerned about her looks and sensitive to criticism. If she has any low self-esteem it is richly deserved, imo.

Very interesting post. Can you tell how you can determine JA's goals and other characteristics from her handwriting? I have worked with two people over the years that were narcissist and had handwriting similar to JA.

 

[LinasK]

I don't know anymore. I am actually kind of worried, for the first time. I just had dinner with my older brother, an attorney. We briefly talked about this case, and I was saying how confident I was, because the DT has not and will not be able to prove Self Defense.

My bro said 'so what ?'. They are probably not even really aiming for that. A great strategy is sometimes to 'hide the ball in the laundry basket', as he calls it. You get the state to spend time and energy arguing against 'self defense' and so they feel confident in their position. Meanwhile the DT slowly builds a legal foundation for something else, and gets the judge to include the lesser charges.

So for example, if they can get the DV expert to convince the jury that Jodi was a true victim of violence, then the battered woman syndrome creeps up.
And they try to get one or two sympathetic jurors to believe that JA was a silent victim and snapped when he came at her once again. It is not a true self defense strategy, it is more like a ' self defense at first but then I snapped from the constant abuse and committed overkill.'

It could come out of nowhere if they play it right.

What constant abuse? There was none from Travis. Only from Jodi towards Travis. The "mean texts" he sent here were well-deserved. He was trying to get rid of her and she doesn't take no for an answer. Besides, manslaughter isn't being considered here, nor heat of passion, and that's totally overlooking all the evidence of premeditation. Has your brother been closely following this case, or is he only arguing theory?

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

Me either, totally off the wall. I really believe that she knew or highly suspected there were cameras. Like she said in the one interview, everything's pretty much "like it is on television", and she probably assumed as much in this case. So I fully believe that she was acting out for the cameras, all of this just for what, the attention? Forget about what happened to Travis, forget about that she is being accused of first degree murder, this parasite only cares about what she can get from others. If nothing else attention will suffice and she doesn't mind behaving like an utter fool to get it. How pathetic is that?

Made me and my husband sick to our stomachs watching that - You know? There could be something to JA scripting all of this for a movie or book. I wouldn't put it past her. (Or her pitiful psychologist that knows his days are over).

 

[paperwing]

http://media.bonnint.net/az/30/3079/307924.jpg

Creepy or pathetic?

bbm

Not sure why, but this is the first thing that came to mind...

 

[gloomy]

Getting the DV to convince the jury of that relies on a couple things. 1. they have to believe Jodi's lies about Travis (they clearly don't) and 2. they have to be able to put the overwhelming evidence of premeditation, including her lie on the stand about a third gas can, aside. If this jury comes to the conclusion that this was premeditated, and that what she says about Travis cannot be trusted, and that his death was particularly cruel and heinous, then they will have no choice but to give her murder in the first degree. I am so not worried about LaViolette.

Agreed.

Arias was living in a different state as well... why the heck is she driving miles and miles to 'visit' Travis if he was so horrible and abusive to her? I don't think the jury believes she was abused or that Travis was a threat to her. :twocents:

 

[ElleElle]

:twocents: Theory, here's why:

1. She was "compassionate" :aka: Doc Samuels
2. He didn't take no for an answer, how did the pics get taken on Jun4/08?

What constant abuse? There was none from Travis. Only from Jodi towards Travis. The "mean texts" he sent here were well-deserved. He was trying to get rid of her and she doesn't take no for an answer.