long weekend break: discuss the latest here #102

[LadyEdith]

This made me think...didn't he say she was getting better...In Jail even!!

Therefore, jail must be good for her.

I think she started getting better and more hopeful when she decided to change the story once again and call it self defense! Things started looking up!

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

Something that was really telling about this dream she had built was in those torn out journal pages she magically found. These were written long after they'd broken up and he'd clearly moved on but she writes as if they are still together, gets on to him for "cheating" on her. She probably did see him dating others as cheating on her. That was all in her sick head because they weren't together. She says he desperately wants to marry her but she will not because he's not right. That's just delusional. We know she was the one that wanted to marry him and if he wanted to marry her, he would have. She flipped it in her mind to preserve her delicate ego. He doesn't want her, but in her journal, the reason they aren't together is because he really, really wants her and she's the one rejecting him. She could not stand him not wanting her and boiled up into a murderous rage. Again, no sympathy for the devil, nope.

I don't suppose you would agree to going on the stand for Travis Alexander, huh? YOU ARE RIGHT ON !!!

 

[wasnt_me]

When does Jodi allege Travis started cleaning his floors?

 

[crime cases addict]

Why is it I recall .25 caliber bullets WERE found at JA's Mother's house? True?

I heard that too:what:

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

LOL! I'm sure my hubby thinks that as well. He thinks she is just plain gross, disgusting and evil. He does a full body shake (not to be confused with the chihuahua shakes) whenever I bring her up and talk about the trial. She scares him!

We are with you Sister - We are in our 50's-60's-70's. After many life experiences and places and times, we do recognize that this girl is the devil and true evil psychopath and would not ever let Travis be with another woman.

 

[wasnt_me]

DAY 20 at 0:37:50 on You Tube:

Nurmi: After you have cleaned yourself up and dispose of the gun and the
rope, what do you do next?

JA: I um I start looking around for um the charger that I didn't that I thought
I lost because Matt hadn't answered his phone until he was there.

Please listen to this portion of the video of Day 20. Did she say that Matt was there?

Matt hadn't answered his phone to tell her that it--her charger--was there (at his house, I guess).

 

[Allyne Smithe]

Did JA Grandfather have any bullets at his house and did they match the brand of bullet that killed TA?

See #3. Not that I know of. Detective Flores has been SO thorough--he told 48 Hours that he spent 3 days at TA's house after the murder because he didn't want to miss anything--that imo if he felt there was any value to it, he would have. I'm sure he has much, much more that we don't know, and may never know.

Another thing is that they don't want to overwhelm the jury with minutiae. If they covered every little thing I could see this trial stretching out for many months. So they have to carefully choose what evidence to present.

 

[Dr. Know?]

CourtsInSession, that's probably like wasnt me said, (ty, wasn't me, I'm terrible at multi quotes) Matt hadn't answered his phone to tell her that it--her charger--was there (at his house, I guess).

Remember, Jodi said she didn't have her charger and it's probably one of the lies she coordinated with Matt somehow.

 

[Allyne Smithe]

You took the words right out of mouth. Actually you stated this a lot better than I could ever do. Good post.

One thing I forgot to mention is that JA's writing shows she likes a challenge. So imo TA was a challenge to her.

 

[Kensie]

One thing I forgot to mention is that JA's writing shows she likes a challenge. So imo TA was a challenge to her.

TA probably was a challenge for JA. Another good post.

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

Something that was really telling about this dream she had built was in those torn out journal pages she magically found. These were written long after they'd broken up and he'd clearly moved on but she writes as if they are still together, gets on to him for "cheating" on her. She probably did see him dating others as cheating on her. That was all in her sick head because they weren't together. She says he desperately wants to marry her but she will not because he's not right. That's just delusional. We know she was the one that wanted to marry him and if he wanted to marry her, he would have. She flipped it in her mind to preserve her delicate ego. He doesn't want her, but in her journal, the reason they aren't together is because he really, really wants her and she's the one rejecting him. She could not stand him not wanting her and boiled up into a murderous rage. Again, no sympathy for the devil, nope.

We all certainly hope the Jury has no sympathy or "compassion", if you will, for the devil...

 

[Allyne Smithe]

What constant abuse? There was none from Travis. Only from Jodi towards Travis. The "mean texts" he sent here were well-deserved. He was trying to get rid of her and she doesn't take no for an answer. Besides, manslaughter isn't being considered here, nor heat of passion, and that's totally overlooking all the evidence of premeditation. Has your brother been closely following this case, or is he only arguing theory?

ITA. And the mean texts the defense displayed at their last at-bat work against JA, imo. How much more desperate does the DT have to be if they have to use quotes calling their client an evil sociopath? The DT scored a point for the prosecution there.
MOO

 

[Kensie]

2:40 in the morning, good night folks.

 

[christee]

Why is it I recall .25 caliber bullets WERE found at JA's Mother's house? True?

There could be a different photo but this one shows the items on top of the gun cabinet.

 

[paperwing]

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borndem --> best editing expli- exple- explanation ever.

 

[sourgrapes]

No, if that was the case a motion in limine would be filed.

Motion in limine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, the motion for protective order is to prevent the disclosure of the detailed defense billing records that they have to submit to be compensated by the state.

Samuels did not appreciate being questioned about the amount he is being paid. Perhaps the motion is to stop discussion about his rates and to pre-emptively protect the DV's rates being addressed, as well.

 

[gngr~snap]

I just creeped myself out!
Oh Holy Night...
the lyrics to Jodi "jail idol" song.

FALL on your KNEES
Oh hear the ANGELS VOICES...


It's probably been mentioned 100 times. It just hit me.kay:

 

[Dr. Know?]

Samuels did not appreciate being questioned about the amount he is being paid. Perhaps the motion is to stop discussion about his rates and to pre-emptively protect the DV's rates being addressed, as well.

Probably true. Myself, living here paying taxes, they better tell me how much he's being paid. Not directed at you, btw.

 

[paperwing]

1) The gun has never been recovered, but the gun 'stolen' from her grandfather's house was a black automatic or semi-automatic .25 gun 3" x 4" loaded with 7 hollow-point bullets. Prosecutor Martinez said the bullets were manufactured by Winchester.
--- It is unclear/not specified that the full magazine was in place IN the gun proper, or next to it. The stolen .25 was not taken from the room/case where the long guns were, but from the grandfather's dresser.

2) No ammunition was found in TA's house.
---the only image of ammo (that I know of) in this case is from the burglary of JA's home/her grandparent's home in Yreka, CA. The photo shows boxes of ammo on or near the case with Mr. Allen's rifles.

3) We have not heard anything about ammunition recovered from the grandfather's house, if any.
--- It has been reported (but I can't confirm with a document, though one may exist) that there *was* a box of .25 ammo found at JA's mother's home at or around the time of LE taking JA into custody.

4) Reportedly none of the knives at TA's house match the suspected murder weapon. I strongly suspect she brought it with her as her main weapon, a typical "up close and personal" method. IMO she used the gun to control TA the 8 minutes he was in the shower 'posing' for her final photos of him. I do think she tried to take a shot of TA after the first stab, but he pushed back so all that was captured was the ceiling.

From the description in the autopsy report, the knife imo would have to have a triangular blade, like a typical chef's knife. I've attached a sample here showing the points on the blade that correspond to a 3/4" stab, a 1" stab, a 1 1/4" stab, a 1 1/2" stab, and a 1 3/4" stab. The knife wouldn't have to be as long as the one in the photo, but it would have to be at least as long as the 1 3/4" width mark in the photo to inflict the 1 3/4" wide (by 5 3/4" deep) wound. The blade made two triangular chips to TA's skull, so it had to be strong enough to cut through bone.

The tape at the 1 3/4" width of the blade corresponds to the wound on TA's abdomen, which was 1 3/4" wide by 5 3/4" deep. That corresponds exactly to the knife pictured, where the 1 3/4" width occurs at the 5 3/4" depth. The tape at the 1 1/2" point corresponds exactly to the first stab wound, a 1 1/2" wide by 3 1/2" deep stab to the heart. That also corresponds exactly to the knife pictured.
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5) No side views of the casing that I know of, but if there had been blood on the sides of the bullet casing, that most likely would already be known. So- red herring, imo. The ME testified that the gunshot was not fired at close range as there would have been stippling on the skin, and further, he believed the gunshot was inflicted after TA was already dead, because he saw no evidence of bleeding.

6) The camera had to be in her hand at the time the ceiling photo was snapped as Detective Melendez testified the photo was snapped when the camera was at least 2 or 3 feet above the ground. The shutter can't go off by itself in mid-air, imo. It's believed she had already stabbed him at least once (and possibly more, imo) when that photo was snapped, when he had begun to push back.

Detective Melendez testified the last two photos were snapped while the camera was on the floor, upside down. He demonstrated how the shutter could be activated by the slightest pressure from anywhere on the back of the camera. Thus, JA accidentally took them with her foot.

7) The rope story is JA's. There has been no evidence a rope was used that day or ever. JA took the knife with her, so she's the only one who can answer that question.

Great post - my comments (purple) added w/in yours - respectfully. Adding my comments at the bottom seemed to just invite confusion and I don't know how to multi-quote. I hope you don't mind! If you want me to remove them, Allyne, please let me know and I will do so immediately.

 

[Dr. Know?]

JA will keep molding her defense and re molding it until it fits. She has willing representives to put it forth.

JW po'd me on her ending with RS. She asked only the favorable parts of a couple questions but left out the evidence. I have no respect for that. Now I'll have to watch the ending again tomorrow...gar