long weekend break: discuss the latest here #102

[Allyne Smithe]

The defense DV witness has written a book about why women stay with the men who abuse them, and her answer is "learned helplessness".

Uh huh. What does she say about Fatal Attraction? Snooping into a guy's phone, texts and emails and stealing his journals. Slashing his tires two days in a row. Is that learned too? Or does that just come naturally to some females?

A little hard for the DV witness to deny that TA repeatedly texted JA to stay out of his life. Oh, and that she was an evil sociopath. She didn't have to go prove him right, did she?

 

[Truth Detector]

I believe that it is in JA's best defense interests for the DT to put as much time between her highly contentious and mostly assertive testiphoney over those many weeks and ALV's to come.

Because ALV will have to convince the jury that JA was not, on June 4, 2008, the conniving, manipulating, gold-digging, stalking, jealous, lying torture-murderess that she appeared to be.

One tall order at this point, Alyce.

 

[Nosey Parker]

Actually, from the sound of what they feed her I think her weight loss is an effect of being jailed.



What are they trying to hide? Maybe they paid Dick Samuels a lot more than he claims. JMO

BBM

As soon as I heard about this new order my mind immediately jumped to:

1. Samuels' reply to Juan's question about his fee: "$250 per hour at the time of coming on to this case". So, is the defence afraid Juan is going to show Samuels' rate became higher later, and he has once again deliberately misled the jury?

2. More importantly, the billing information will show the number of hours Samuels spent with Arias. The defence has already made the jail visitor records unavailable to Juan. Is the defence afraid he is going to go after those billing hours and show Samuels spent more hours with Arias than he claimed. Notice Samuels was not specific on that point. Is this where Juan can prove bias and fondness?

3. Arias has been carrying her jacket in a very strange way to cover her lower left arm. Has she been in a 'scrap' with a not so supportive jail mate? Is this order to keep that information hushed?

 

[katydid23]

JMO - I think the DV specialist better have some data that demonstrates how 1000 miles of distance between people does not matter even for low self esteem, non assertive witches.

TRUE.

I'm going to make a prediction about the juror questions. I think at least one question will be just that:

How does a woman who lives 1000 miles away, has no children with the man, no formal ties, no financial dependence upon him, is not married to him, and
does not work with him, ----how is she trapped in any way in the relationship?

 

[Colt46]

Good morning Sleuthers!

Can't stop obsessing over this trial! Since we are going to enter the DV phase next week, it just occurred to me that there are gazillions of Hot Lines for DV, not to mention literature....i.e. PAMPHLETS, etc. I think you know where I'm going with this, lol. Why in the world did JA not avail herself of the Hot Line services; and why did she not pick up a pamphlet on DV for Travis? She had no qualms about ALLEGEDLY presenting him with a pamphlet on pedophilia...or warning him to stay away from the Hughes children. As we all know, JA was no shrinking violet (despite her claims)...she was a control freak!

The fact remains that JA was the Abuser - not Travis! Stalking, slashing tires, writing letters to Travis's g/f's, following Travis on dates, hacking into emails, texts, bank accts....not to mention sexual seduction.

Can hardly wait for JM to rip this DV 'expert' to shreds! If she had any sense, she would call in sick with the 'Juan Flu'!

 

[Truth Detector]

TRUE.

I'm going to make a prediction about the juror questions. I think at least one question will be just that:

How does a woman who lives 1000 miles away, has no children with the man, no formal ties, no financial dependence upon him, is not married to him, and
does not work with him, ----how is she trapped in any way in the relationship?

She already answered that.

It's because she feared him so much that she:

Okay, okay...

I realize the little guy is kinda dancing as much as shaking, but just go with it.

 

[Dmacky]

JMO - I think the DV specialist better have some data that demonstrates how 1000 miles of distance between people does not matter even for low self esteem, non assertive witches.

Exactly. Plus the fact that people with low self esteem and are non assertive DO NOT take 3 million pictures of themself AND want to REPRESENT THEMSELVES in a capital murder case.
There are all kinds of sites now saying that JA will not get a fair trial because of all the "MEDIA" attention. Have they forgotten that Jodi herself (with low self esteem) brought on ALL OF THE MEDIA ATTENTION? I don't think this many people would be watching if she hadn't threw herself on Naional TV with all those interviews. Dateline, 48 hours, ET ect... NOW they don't want the attention?

 

[Sustained]

Back to the infamous road trip ....

I've revised my original trip theory based on what I think is a partial truth from Arias ... in her voicemail she left for Travis on 6/4/08, she mentions driving out of her way about 100 miles (the "thank you very much" quote).

In looking for routes from Mesa to Boulder City NV, Arias might have taken I-17 N to Flagstaff, I-40 W to Kingman and then US 93 N to Boulder City and the Hoover Dam (instead of US 60 N / US 93 N all the way to Kingman and beyond). She also mentioned to Detective Flores that she might have been on I-40 and also mentioned Flagstaff.

Another reason I think Arias went this way was to avoid construction projects on US Route 93 N, which would have been accompanied by a police presence. These construction projects most likely would be taken on in the evening hours to avoid the heat of the day in the desert. Can one of our AZ residents confirm the US 93 N construction efforts ? All I have is this to go on ...

http://www.azdot.gov/us93corridor/

When I factor in those miles to my original chart, I now see the rental car mileage as 2820 ... very close to the 2834 recorded on the rental car receipt. The other 14 miles could be accounted for very easily in her time in Utah.

I also believe she told a partial truth about getting gas in Buckeye AZ, just outside of Mesa. IMO, she filled the car up with the gas from the cans from Pasadena and then refilled the cans to get her through Arizona, before finally filling up with receipt in Mesquite NV. IMO, the receipt from Buckeye magically disappeared ...

Just a theory ....

 

[Dmacky]

She already answered that.

It's because she feared him so much that she:

Okay, okay...

I realize the little guy is kinda dancing as much as shaking, but just go with it.

BBM

As soon as I heard about this new order my mind immediately jumped to:

1. Samuels' reply to Juan's question about his fee: "$250 per hour at the time of coming on to this case". So, is the defence afraid Juan is going to show Samuels' rate became higher later, and he has once again deliberately misled the jury?

2. More importantly, the billing information will show the number of hours Samuels spent with Arias. The defence has already made the jail visitor records unavailable to Juan. Is the defence afraid he is going to go after those billing hours and show Samuels spent more hours with Arias than he claimed. Notice Samuels was not specific on that point. Is this where Juan can prove bias and fondness?

3. Arias has been carrying her jacket in a very strange way to cover her lower left arm. Has she been in a 'scrap' with a not so supportive jail mate? Is this order to keep that information hushed?

I noticed this too. When JM asked "Bigger Gus" how much he was being paid, he said $250.00 an hour. But when JW asked him again on recross he said $250 per hour at the time of coming on to this case. Hmmmm

 

[momof7]

TRUE.

I'm going to make a prediction about the juror questions. I think at least one question will be just that:

How does a woman who lives 1000 miles away, has no children with the man, no formal ties, no financial dependence upon him, is not married to him, and
does not work with him, ----how is she trapped in any way in the relationship?

See, for me this is the thing that makes JA look like the abuser as opposed to the abusee.

When you are able to walk away, the first thing you want is to hopefully never see or hear from the person again if you can. The weight of the world is lifted from your shoulders. As the days go by, you get stronger in the sense that you are glad it is over. You won't go back. The biggest wish I ever had was that the miles apart meant safety in getting myself back together. Yes, the other person will attempt to intrude in your life over and over again, but usually in ways you can control. Such as not answering the phone calls that never stop. Or even when they do something horrible you don't call in anger and ask they why. If they mail you letters or send things UPS/Fedex you throw them away without reading them. You just deal with it and move forward. Contact with the person is just moving backwards as they use everything in their arsenal from prior experience to get you back under control. Never, never never never have I met one person who had the ability to be miles away from the person who 'abused' them who did everything their power to stay that way. Yes, when you are in closer distance it is a bit harder to not fall back into the trap, but this was not the case here. When she lived in AZ it was probably a bit harder.

I personally believe that distance is what makes this so obvious JA was not abused. TA did not come to find her...she went to him. I don't give TA a free pass on the name calling, but dysfunctional relationships are dysfunctional. Not everyone in a dysfunctional relationship kills another person.

Kelly

 

[raisincharlie]

Back to the infamous road trip ....

I've revised my original trip theory based on what I think is a partial truth from Arias ... in her voicemail she left for Travis on 6/4/08, she mentions driving out of her way about 100 miles (the "thank you very much" quote).

In looking for routes from Mesa to Boulder City NV, Arias might have taken I-17 N to Flagstaff, I-40 W to Kingman and then US 93 N to Boulder City and the Hoover Dam (instead of US 60 N / US 93 N all the way to Kingman and beyond). She also mentioned to Detective Flores that she might have been on I-40 and also mentioned Flagstaff.

Another reason I think Arias went this way was to avoid construction projects on US Route 93 N, which would have been accompanied by a police presence. These construction projects most likely would be taken on in the evening hours to avoid the heat of the day in the desert. Can one of our AZ residents confirm the US 93 N construction efforts ? All I have is this to go on ...

http://www.azdot.gov/us93corridor/

When I factor in those miles to my original chart, I now see the rental car mileage as 2820 ... very close to the 2834 recorded on the rental car receipt. The other 14 miles could be accounted for very easily in her time in Utah.

I also believe she told a partial truth about getting gas in Buckeye AZ, just outside of Mesa. IMO, she filled the car up with the gas from the cans from Pasadena and then refilled the cans to get her through Arizona, before finally filling up with receipt in Mesquite NV. IMO, the receipt from Buckeye magically disappeared ...

Just a theory ....

Would this route allow for the cell phone to ping a tower 57 miles north of Kingman AZ ?

 

[Steely Dan]

Yes. I posted about this as well. I listened to it a few times and couldn't make sense of it but without a doubt, she does say it!

Jodi Arias Trial - What The Hades Does This Mean - YouTube

I trimmed it down and posted it on my Youtube Channel. Here's what I wrote in the description;

Listen at the beginning of this clip from Day 20 of her trial. Her defense lawyer Kirk Nurmi is interviewing her. You'll hear her say; "Matt hadn't answered his phone til he was there"

"Matt" is most likely Mathew McCartney who is a friend of Jodi's and the defense has hammered that Matt would never betray her. Juan Martinez the prosecutor has said that Matt would lie for her. Some people believe that Matt was the author of the faked pedophile letters and the target of the attempted witness tampering I put up on my channel before. So What does "Matt hadn't answered his phone til he was there" mean? Where "is there" exactly?

Also, the part about the Hoover Dam check point makes little sense. She said she rinsed off her hands with some bottled water from Costco previous to this part of the testimony. IF that's true she still would have been wearing clothes drenched in blood. I find it hard to believe that a checkpoint guard wouldn't notice this. There are a couple of theories on this that I have.

1. She's lying about the route she took so if anyone were to look for the gun she says she threw in the desert they'd travel the wrong path.

2. Travis' body was found in the shower stall rinsed off. I think it's quite possible that Jodi Showered over his dead body and changed her clothes in the house. All of that is JMO

One more thing I just thought of. She might have tried to call Matt from a phone in the house or a Batphone that she purchased with cash somewhere else. :waitasec:

Uh huh. What does she say about Fatal Attraction? Snooping into a guy's phone, texts and emails and stealing his journals. Slashing his tires two days in a row. Is that learned too? Or does that just come naturally to some females?

A little hard for the DV witness to deny that TA repeatedly texted JA to stay out of his life. Oh, and that she was an evil sociopath. She didn't have to go prove him right, did she?

One thing I've noticed in the trial is that at the end of TA's text to Jodi he tells her ..."or feel the wrath". The defense has, IIRC, changed it to; "or feel MY wrath. I think what TA was trying to tell her was to feel the wrath of God. The defense wants the jurors to believe that it was Travis' wrath that would rain down on her. JMO

 

[Quester]

Sideshows abound at Jodi Arias trial
http://www.azcentral.com/community/...as-trial-sideshows-abound.html?nclick_check=1

 

[raisincharlie]

TRUE.

I'm going to make a prediction about the juror questions. I think at least one question will be just that:

How does a woman who lives 1000 miles away, has no children with the man, no formal ties, no financial dependence upon him, is not married to him, and
does not work with him, ----how is she trapped in any way in the relationship?

Add in that Doc Samuels (I know, I know) testified that Jodi told him that once she got away in April she no longer felt suicidal, she felt much better... sniff, sniff

 

[Sustained]

Would this route allow for the cell phone to ping a tower 57 miles north of Kingman AZ ?

Sure would, as she would have taken I-40 West from Flagstaff and then picked up US 93 N in Kingman to head to the Hoover Dam and Nevada ..

 

[Allyne Smithe]

One thing about Ms. LaViolette, we'll see if she sticks to her report regarding Jodi telling her the child was on Travis' computer. This to me will be a key piece of information. JM already asked Jodi if that is what she told Ms. LaViolette - which of course Jodi denied ever telling her that. For me, how this is addressed will give me an indication of how to view her. Right now, I can't have any opinion about her at all, I can only hope if she is true to her work, she will be professional on the stand with no agenda other than the truth.

You'd think that would be the standard but I'm resigned to the fact the defense wouldn't be calling her as a witness on JA's behalf if she wasn't going to stick to the script. And in fact both sides have to disclose to the other side the essence of what every witness will testify to.

What they can't predict, however, is what JM will do to their witness on cross. She might be shaking like a chihuahua. :what:

 

[Colt46]

More of the 48 Hours interview with Maureen Maher - Sept. 2008

JA claims to have received two written threats on her life from the Ninjas in the California jail before she was extradicted to AZ! It gets crazier and crazier!

***Has this particular interview been released in it's entirety? Have searched for it, but still can't locate it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxU8qKolYJA&feature=youtu.be

 

[pip]

Jodi Arias Trial - What The Hades Does This Mean - YouTube

I trimmed it down and posted it on my Youtube Channel. Here's what I wrote in the description;

Listen at the beginning of this clip from Day 20 of her trial. Her defense lawyer Kirk Nurmi is interviewing her. You'll hear her say; "Matt hadn't answered his phone til he was there"

"Matt" is most likely Mathew McCartney who is a friend of Jodi's and the defense has hammered that Matt would never betray her. Juan Martinez the prosecutor has said that Matt would lie for her. Some people believe that Matt was the author of the faked pedophile letters and the target of the attempted witness tampering I put up on my channel before. So What does "Matt hadn't answered his phone til he was there" mean? Where "is there" exactly?

Also, the part about the Hoover Dam check point makes little sense. She said she rinsed off her hands with some bottled water from Costco previous to this part of the testimony. IF that's true she still would have been wearing clothes drenched in blood. I find it hard to believe that a checkpoint guard wouldn't notice this. There are a couple of theories on this that I have.

1. She's lying about the route she took so if anyone were to look for the gun she says she threw in the desert they'd travel the wrong path.

2. Travis' body was found in the shower stall rinsed off. I think it's quite possible that Jodi Showered over his dead body and changed her clothes in the house. All of that is JMO

One more thing I just thought of. She might have tried to call Matt from a phone in the house or a Batphone that she purchased with cash somewhere else. :waitasec:



One thing I've noticed in the trial is that at the end of TA's text to Jodi he tells her ..."or feel the wrath". The defense has, IIRC, changed it to; "or feel MY wrath. I think what TA was trying to tell her was to feel the wrath of God. The defense wants the jurors to believe that it was Travis' wrath that would rain down on her. JMO

The way she explains it "I found the charger, plugged it in, no reception, I began to drive, only one little bar, tried to check VM, no reception".. And she did all this on a DEAD phone she had JUST plugged into the charger? It would take some time to get enough charge just to turn the phone on. If my phone is dead I cannot use it until it charges at least to 10%...

 

[Linda7NJ]

Is the DV expert the last witness set to testify in the defense case?


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[josie1986]

TRUE.

I'm going to make a prediction about the juror questions. I think at least one question will be just that:

How does a woman who lives 1000 miles away, has no children with the man, no formal ties, no financial dependence upon him, is not married to him, and
does not work with him, ----how is she trapped in any way in the relationship?

Im sure juan will have that covered and by the end of AL's time on the stand jodi will be the abuser and poor Travis the victim

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