long weekend break: discuss the latest here #102

[MeeBee]

This judge worries me biggtime. I have no confidence in her ability to remain in partial, it seems that she is partial to the defence. All wilmott has to is stomp her feet and act like a petulant child.

There ya go 2Hip :seeya:

(No offense intended Katie!)

 

[JRS_JD2L]

Every single time Jodie's defense has called an objection it seems the judge literally doesn't even blink before rejecting it. Some of the objections are warranted. Many actually.
<respectfully snipped>

Without knowing which objections you are referring to, it's hard to specifically comment...but, I think the judge has been pretty fair on her rulings. Can you offer a couple of examples of objections the defense made that you thought were warranted, but overruled?

 

[perfectvirgo]

Google Directions advises that the drive time from Mesa to the Hoover Dam by Route 93 (most direct) is four hours and thirty-four minutes.

The first cell phone ping on the evening of June 4th was 11:37 PM, twenty-seven miles south of the Nevada border, and the final photo was timed at 17:33:32. Subtracting the drive time, she had a good hour and a half spare. It would take mere minutes to wash the body in the shower, delete pictures and stuff the camera and towels in the washer, clean herself as necessary and be on the road.

I believe there was ample time for her to select a spot en route to dispose of the gun, knife, car mats and any other evidence somewhere along Route 93 under cover of darkness - well before the Hoover Dam checkpoint. Google Street View shows the road to be perfectly desolate.

 

[G&AMom]

I always thought you had to be 5'4 or under to be petite. I think people are confusing petite with slim.

They always seem to be referring to her size vs. Travis -- they always exaggerate his height as well. I just the news folks like the idea that he was big and she was little, and they just run with it.

 

[Linda From New York]

Good Afternoon!!

Just reading around:

Transient Global Amnesia

From the Mayo Clinic, Causes:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/transient-global-amnesia/DS01022/DSECTION=causes

Symptoms:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/transient-global-amnesia/DS01022/DSECTION=symptoms

Yeah OK Dr. S. His $250.00 an hour diagnos1s for Arias. That he seemed to have backed out of. WHY bring it up?
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[donadenese]

absolutely am not

it's exactly what she said on the stand (in the movie, don't know if script was written from transcripts). her atty is asking why she didn't remember everything she did after the stabbing she said

I went into a fog


and them some other stiff similar to jodis testilying, but I was trying to type fast

it was a little before the half way point in the movie

I was just kidding. I'm a couple of hours behind you Gonna watch it at 2:00. It's one I haven't seen yet.:fence:

 

[thefragile7393]

I think it's a reasonable precaution under the circumstances.

**Note - I'm NOT cheering for either side and don't really have a fully formed opinion about guilt or innocence. Just watching the trial and discussing ideas. ***

If Jodi Arias is aquitted (and that's a very real possible outcome in any trail) - there appears (to me anyway) an real issue for her safety and for the jury.

The general population seems to have lost the reality that all defendants on trial are innocent until proven guilty - by a jury and a court of law (not the press or the public).

HER safety? Considering the evidence presented of her past interactions-others are in more danger FROM her. Travis's family, her exes, even people from the prosecution side would be in danger. Earlier this year in TX a prosecutor was murdered....so its not too far-fetched. The general population is in danger from her.

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[katydid23]

Someone posted a listing for Travis' old house. I clicked on his name, as the seller, and was led to his name on peoplesmart. It lists people he may be related to and one of the people it lists is Jodi E Alexander. That is very weird. Did Travis have a relative named Jodi?

http://www.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx...Bottom_693x450Widget_Integrated&cam=3589&aff=

I think Jodi must have used that name somewhere, for that to be tagged to him. My son's fiancé [ for real fiancé--not a stalker] used her first name and his last to add her car on his ins policy and they did that to combine their cell phones to save $. So now a people finder she is listed with him as a relative.

I wonder if Jodi used that name to sign up with something or make travel reservations or ?

 

[seguek9]

I am watching it too!! Can you believe it? A FOG. Wonder if that is where JA got it from this movie. jmo

Lol...must be lifetime movie day....I'm watching as well!!

Weird similarities ....fog, battered woman syndrome, Ptsd....

Still one of the best prosecution exhibits *ever* Kelly S. Rocked it :great:

 

[Allyne Smithe]

So funny how:

1. Jodi first tells detectives she had nothing to do with Travis and was not with him on day he died.

2. Comes up with the story of an armed robbery and how she survived as two masked intruders killed Travis.
A. Perhaps she dragged Travis to the bedroom to make it look like intruders attacked him upon entering the house with knife and then dragged him and continued stabbing in the bathroom area.
3. She admits to killing him, but in self defense.
A. Quite funny considering she bought all that gasoline and a conspicuous car. One wonders if her delusion and narcissism are so great that she believed she could kill him in shower and dismember him in there, and then wash away the evidence only to drive poor Travis's remains out to the desert to be burned and buried.
i. Unfortunately, It isn't like a movie or a photo shoot when you try to kill someone and things can get messy. I think she panicked when he was exited the shower and she found that she had stabbed him to death on carpet and evidence was everywhere.
ii. In her panic, with her plan foiled by a messy scene, she thought of what she could do to make it look like a robbery. She dragged his body by the door hoping it would look like he was initially assaulted by 2 armed thiefs by his front door and then his body dragged back into the bathroom.
a. Unfortunately the police noticed her handprint on the wall, her hair, the pictures, so much evidence she left behind in a panic as she realized her fantasy didn't play out the way she had expected. The overkill of the blow to the head post mortem and near decapitation of his head (which I think was her feeble attempt at dismembering him and she gave up in her panic).

All of these "excuses" are interesting to me because:

She seems to live in a fantasy world. Her expectations of the crime were so far fetched. Who would think they could get away with a clean crime scene with a victim that is twice their size and could put up a messy fight/possibly survive to accuse? Her expectations of her own abilities are quite inflated. When she finds that situations like a murder plot (or people!) do not meet her idealized expectations, her fantasy is destroyed and she flies into a dissociative state Devoid of all logic (leaving a camera and your fingerprints behind? Hello?!) and emotional connection.

Except she did nothing to make it look like a burglary. Left the bedroom locked, left the house locked (very unusual according to the roommates), put the pet gate up, put the bloody clothes in the washing machine, left Travis' laptop, cell phone and all the other valuables in the house intact.

He was only dragged from the edge of the master bedroom down the hall to the shower. The rest of his movement--mostly crawling on his hands and knees--was frantically trying to get away from her.

I doubt even a cold-blooded murderer like Jodi would have thought of cutting him up and dismembering his body, taking it with her to burn in the desert. Imo it's more likely she would have used the kerosene and almost-50%-alcohol aerosol sunblock--a known fire accelerator that has now been discontinued--to start a fire and burn his house down if she wanted to burn his body.

She wasn't driving a conspicuous car, but the opposite: She turned down a red car, saying she didn't want to invite a ticket, and just wanted an inconspicuous car.

Agree it was a bad idea to slit his throat. That's what caused her hand to slip on the knife, because blood is slippery and Detective Flores said there was an artery spurt at the location of the greatest amount of blood, which imo resulted in her cutting the inside of her fingers and making that handprint on the wall of her blood mixed with Travis' blood.

Without the timestamped photos, she could have woven a tale how he tied her up and tortured her for hours or even days--his friends didn't go looking for his body in the locked master suite until he'd been dead five days--and she finally broke away and killed him in self defense. She might have instilled reasonable doubt in the mind of at least one juror. But with the incredibly tight timeline the photos prove--besides the mountain of other evidence against her--most legal observers say all her defense team is really trying to do is help her avoid the death penalty.

It took years for her to come up with the self-defense theory, btw. Nurmi evidently had a hand in getting her to move away from the Ninja story. Nurmi tried to extricate himself from her case, but the court didn't allow it.

 

[Truth Detector]

Not true in this one. Even defense attorneys have said, with her own testimony, she has pretty much give the jury permission to convict her of at least 2nd degree murder.

She's already begged for 2nd degree murder.

That was the plea deal the DT proposed in 2011, attempting to extort it from the family and the State in return for not fictionalizing the deceased as a misogynistic pedophile.

But, alas: :denied:

That ship before it had a chance to sail...

Oops, was that a typo?

 

[perfectvirgo]

She must be kicking herself for not taking that memory card. Otherwise only the palm print pointed to her.

Bolded and Snipped by me:

Well, that and about 342 of Travis' closest friends! :seeya:

OK but I think you miss my point. The only evidence would have been the print, blood and hair. Blood and hair are deniable since she would have shed hair and DNA in the house in the past.

Yes, TA's friends were fingering her even in that first 911 call, but it was the stupid photos she left behind that rendered the rest superfluous.

 

[kayice]

The difference between JA only remembering the gun going off and remembering NOTHING about the stabbings is the difference between 1st degree premeditated murder and manslaughter. I'm sure the DT wrote the 'fog' script for her.

From what I understand about 'premeditation', all of JA's actions before she arrived in Mesa are 'off the table' because she and Travis had a romantic/sexual interlude before the murder. Premeditation kicks in the seconds when she uses both the gun AND the knife to kill him. This is why she is so adamant about not remembering the stabbing.

MOO

***I am not a lawyer and I would welcome the expert opinion of one of our legal eagles. Thanks!

She also said there was a lot of blood under the bath mat (which Jodi reacts strongly to, since she says camera bounced there, imho she got caught in a lie---moving mat and throwing water down) and water down to distort evidence of crime scene. ...where's the fog? Jodi's strong reaction to cover her lies tell me she remembers very well, re-watching the tapes and keeping an eye on Jodi ...tells quite a story. They need to split the screen with Jodi constantly.
Has anyone noticed that Jodi's mother also has strange reactions as well?

IIRC Lisa Perry, the blood spatter expert, testified that the floor had been flooded with water. I'm not sure if it was part of her testimony or from somewhere else, but it is thought that the water on the tile floor was done to make dragging Travis's body less strenuous.

If you look at that box, the water stain goes up a few inches, so there had to be quite a bit of water to soak up that much into the box.

 

[Phoebeb]

I just watched the interrogation video where she tells the ninja story for the first time. Interesting that she says she was stooped outside the shower (near the tub) and was looking through and deleting the photos when all of a sudden she heard a "loud ring", then Travis screamed and held his head, etc etc., there were 2 people there, etc
So she mentions she was right here (acting out for Flores) next to the tub- again.
Maybe she had the weapons "right by the tub" but out of Travis' view as she was snapping shots. She was acting like this was a fun "cool" photo session, and I guess he did too to some degree- but all the while she had her weapons laid out just outside of Travis' view on the tub ledge.
Just thought it was interesting she mentioned she was "right by the tub" twice to Flores. Probably true. So now I believe she shot him in the head first, from her squatting or kneeling position just outside the shower. I bet that portion of the ninja story was true.

 

[thefragile7393]

If Martinez wants to secure Murder 1 he needs to stop badgering the witnesses for defendant. On the flip side, the defense is completely asleep and are relying not on their arguments, but credibility. Unfortunately not one witnessed has seemed credible yet. So the defense has no argument and no credibility?

As long as Martinez keeps being persistent (but not so loud and rude!) murder 1 should stick.

Hon, murder 1 is in the evidence, not in the prosecutor's presentation. DR juries are usually pretty well screened and are given instructions to only look at evidence, not personalties.

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[Linda From New York]

I thought this was interesting too.

http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-essays/

 

[G&AMom]

So what have the guys from HLN said about JA's grandparent's home where she was living?

Was it Doc Sam who commented that JA had a lot going for her...and that there was no need for her to feel inferior to Travis? I thought...hold on...no high school diploma...she dropped out of high school...wandered from job to job...living with grandparents...buying a car from Travis (great loan terms) because her car was repossessed. She really had no tangible assets other than camera/computer. Of course she had no self-esteem...she wasn't doing anything to gain self-esteem!

ITA. She's pretty much of a failure in every way that counts. Did she have low self-esteem? It's debatable to me whether she had the human feelings that can lead to self-esteem, low or high. But IDK. She does seem stressed to me now and seems to want to go on living, so maybe I'm being harsh. One of the big reasons I don't buy PTSD with Jodi is she'd have to get upset about killing him, whether she thought she was justified or not. I don't think she cares at all.

I actually don't watch HLN. I was just responding to another poster's comment about one of their talking heads.

 

[thefragile7393]

Lol...must be lifetime movie day....I'm watching as well!!

Weird similarities ....fog, battered woman syndrome, Ptsd....

And up for parole next year thanks to slick DA's.

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[JRS_JD2L]

This judge worries me biggtime. I have no confidence in her ability to remain in partial, it seems that she is partial to the defence. All wilmott has to is stomp her feet and act like a petulant child.

Well, to a certain extent, the judge has to be more lenient with the defense in respect to allowing in JA's evidence. The judge certainly does not want this thing to be overturned on appeal for not allowing something close in. That is, if it's a close call whether to admit a piece of JA's evidence, the judge is likely to let it in. The prosecution can't appeal an acquittal, so the same concern isn't there for the state's evidence.

 

[panthera]

Yes good points. I do think that the recovered photos with the time and date embedded are more powerful evidence of presence on that day than the hair and blood. Certainly the hair would be there anyway unless he was a most meticulous male vacuumer (like me!)

The hair could possibly be explained (although unlikely in such a clean home as Travis had) as having been there from a prior visit, somehow floating around the house. However her palm print in his blood on the wall would be unexplained. It, along with the recovered camera memory card, sealed it and put here there at the crime scene.

MOO