long weekend break: discuss the latest here #102

[MeeBee]

Oh, Dang! I was hoping forensics could match the little casing on the floor that was found in that big puddle of Travis' blood after he had already been bludgeoned and sliced by Jodi's knife and match it with the 25 ammo found at her PARENTS' house later. Did we find out if her parents own a 25 and why do they have 25 ammo bullets in their house?

I don't know if ammo was found at her parents'. I know the gun came from the grandparents'. But yeah, they can't match bullets to each other even if they came in the same pack. The only way to know if they came from the same gun is if they have the gun.

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

I was wondering if there was a box of bullets at the grandfathers house, if so how many bullets were missing?

What I heard was that there were 25 caliber bullets found at JA's PARENTS house - Never heard the quantity

 

[RR0004]

This is another thing that's making my head spin on these threads. This is a relatively standard intimate partner crime. None of the details are particularly shocking or unusual except that we've seen pics of private parts because they're the best evidence of presence at the crime scene and the religious aspect. Mormons doing un-Mormanlike things always makes the news here (see the bestiality couple I posted previously). Yeah, there were a bunch of stabs wounds. Compare it to the other case that Juan prosecuted with the rape and killing of a teen girl and the torture of her little brother in the presence of her restrained parents. THAT is sick. Manson's followers committed their crimes on complete strangers. They cut the fetus out of the stomach of a 9 month pregnant woman. Dahmer drilled holes into his victim's brain while he was alive and poured chemicals in there to see what would happen.

Jodi Arias isn't even slightly the worst criminal who's walked the face of the earth. Not even close. If she were to be out of prison tomorrow, I wouldn't worry myself about her in the slightest. jm

A "relatively standard intimate partner crime"...sorry, IMHO, nothing could be further from the truth.
Again, jmo.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

There is a show on crimes of passion on Crime Investigation Network (in Aust) at the moment, psychologists discussing heat of moment, driven by rage, jealousy etc. JA does NOT fit that mould at all.

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

There is a show on crimes of passion on Crime Investigation Network (in Aust) at the moment, psychologists discussing heat of moment, driven by rage, jealousy etc. JA does NOT fit that mould at all.

I didn't know you were an Aussie

 

[legalmania]

Oh, Dang! I was hoping forensics could match the little casing on the floor that was found in that big puddle of Travis' blood after he had already been bludgeoned and sliced by Jodi's knife and match it with the 25 ammo found at her PARENTS' house later. Did we find out if her parents own a 25 and why do they have 25 ammo bullets in their house?

You mean the grandparents or the parents? I don't think he was bludgeoned. I think being stabbed 29 times, throat slit and shot in the head was the extent of is injuries. Which he would have survived the stab wounds to the back and possibly the gun shot wound, but not the chest or throat wounds.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Basically if they leave the victim and get another weapon or wait to call 911 .. NO 2nd degree, murder 1. She's gone, on her own admission

 

[Hatfield]

I think they can only test such a thing if they have they gun. Otherwise, you cannot test ammunition against each other. It has to be fired first.

The type of testing referred to in the metallurgy test would be to chemically compare the casings (not the bullet) for the exact chemical makeup and try to determine if the casings were a chemical match.

I know it would be difficult type testing and would probably take a lot of work, but I wonder if its possible to prove that the casings could have been manufactured at the same time in the same batch.

Also, there may be microscopic markings in the shell protrusion mold that may also be analyzed. Forensic testing is amazing and they can do amazing things.

If we look at other cases where they can determine like duct tape is from the same batch of duct tape, it seems they may be able to determine the casings came from the same box + lot.

 

[legalmania]

What I heard was that there were 25 caliber bullets found at JA's PARENTS house - Never heard the quantity

That would have been interesting to know IMO.

 

[MeeBee]

The type of testing referred to in the metallurgy test would be to chemically compare the casings (not the bullet) for the exact chemical makeup and try to determine if the casings were a chemical match.

I know it would be difficult type testing and would probably take a lot of work, but I wonder if its possible to prove that the casings could have been manufactured at the same time in the same batch.

Also, there may be microscopic markings in the shell protrusion mold that may also be analyzed. Forensic testing is amazing and they can do amazing things.

If we look at other cases where they can determine like duct tape is from the same batch of duct tape, it seems they may be able to determine the casings came from the same box + lot.

I think if they could do all this, they would have done it, no?

 

[Whisperer]

I watched that video of Travis with his friends at a house party (JA fake sleeping on his lap) where he was describing a robbery and the gunman held the gun to his right temple. Coincidence that JA shot him in the right side of his head?

 

[christee]

I must be a real drag - I don't understand the humor here. Travis Alexander was murdered - Stabbed at least 27 times, had his throat slashed from ear to ear and then he was shot. How could a human being do this to another person?

No disrespect toward's Travis and his family was intended...just needed a light moment under the weight of such sadness.

 

[legalmania]

Basically if they leave the victim and get another weapon or wait to call 911 .. NO 2nd degree, murder 1. She's gone, on her own admission

This is the statute for 2nd in Arizona that's not how I read it.

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/01104.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS

 

[Jeffssis]

I've been thinking about this for some time now and I want to express it because it saddens me so.
I am very disturbed by the ease with which JA speaks of Travis, how she brought his personality, his words, his feelings into her testimony. She has taken him-every bit of him-for herself. It goes beyond the killing. She is the last to have him. The saying goes "if I can't have him, nobody will". And that is what she has accomplished.
There is nothing that anyone can do to make her stop saying his name. That makes me crazy. Hearing his name come from her foul mouth makes me ill.
Implying that he would care what she says or does is unbelievable. Knowing that she takes pleasure in owning him and keeping him alive while continuing to kill him is unconscionable.
This trial and this ridiculous defense has allowed this to happen. I don't know how defense attorneys sleep at night when they know that their defendant is guilty as charged and they're trying to set her free. THAT is not justice.

So sad. Bless you Alexander family. :rose:

 

[Hatfield]

I was wondering if there was a box of bullets at the grandfathers house, if so how many bullets were missing?

My understanding is there was no bullets found at the grandfathers house and only found at the Mothers house. A lot of people believe the mom went and got the ammo from the grandfathers house once she found out Jodi was in trouble. Jodi may have even called the mom and told her to go get it out of the grandpas house.

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

I've been thinking about this for some time now and I want to express it because it saddens me so.
I am very disturbed by the ease with which JA speaks of Travis, how she brought his personality, his words, his feelings into her testimony. She has taken him-every bit of him-for herself. It goes beyond the killing. She is the last to have him. The saying goes "if I can't have him, nobody will". And that is what she has accomplished.
There is nothing that anyone can do to make her stop saying his name. That makes me crazy. Hearing his name come from her foul mouth makes me ill.
Implying that he would care what she says or does is unbelievable. Knowing that she takes pleasure in owning him and keeping him alive while continuing to kill him is unconscionable.
This trial and this ridiculous defense has allowed this to happen. I don't know how defense attorneys sleep at night when they know that their defendant is guilty as charged and they're trying to set her free. THAT is not justice.

So sad. Bless you Alexander family. :rose:

I agree - It is sickening to hear. We will get justice for Travis -God Does and Will Bless the Alexander family...

 

[legalmania]

I've been thinking about this for some time now and I want to express it because it saddens me so.
I am very disturbed by the ease with which JA speaks of Travis, how she brought his personality, his words, his feelings into her testimony. She has taken him-every bit of him-for herself. It goes beyond the killing. She is the last to have him. The saying goes "if I can't have him, nobody will". And that is what she has accomplished.
There is nothing that anyone can do to make her stop saying his name. That makes me crazy. Hearing his name come from her foul mouth makes me ill.
Implying that he would care what she says or does is unbelievable. Knowing that she takes pleasure in owning him and keeping him alive while continuing to kill him is unconscionable.
This trial and this ridiculous defense has allowed this to happen. I don't know how defense attorneys sleep at night when they know that their defendant is guilty as charged and they're trying to set her free. THAT is not justice.

So sad. Bless you Alexander family. :rose:

We all feel bad about Travis, and his family. It's the law though. She is entitled to a trial. As long as she plead not guilty , she gets one. She could have done what she said and plead guilty and begged for the death penalty. Not thrown Travis under the bus with the pedophile talk. She claims she doesn't like to talk bad about anyone but she has a real potty mouth now. The defense attorney's are just there to try to save her life, they know she is a murderer.

 

[Hatfield]

I think if they could do all this, they would have done it, no?

Yeah, you would think so, but I know I have been surprised of the lack of doing due diligence of things in trials in the past.

Maybe it is just too costly to do this type of testing or something.

One easy thing an expert could testify too is that the shells appear to be from the same box. Because when I buy shells, a lot of times I buy different manufacturers and they do look different. So, even by a look comparison, you could have an expert say they appear to be from the same box.

To do the chemical analysis would probably take melting down the casings and doing chemical breakdown of percentage of elements which could be costly. (like example 80% copper 10% zinc, etc)

Maybe Juan didnt think he needed to go that far with all the other evidence too.

 

[legalmania]

My understanding is there was no bullets found at the grandfathers house and only found at the Mothers house. A lot of people believe the mom went and got the ammo from the grandfathers house once she found out Jodi was in trouble. Jodi may have even called the mom and told her to go get it out of the house.

You think she put the camera in the washing machine by mistake or thought that washing it would ruin the card?

 

[Allyne Smithe]

So what you are saying is that you know he had another shower earlier, and that she left Yreka with a written plan to kill him in the shower?

While I don't know for sure he had a shower earlier, I think he likely did. There is no soap, no shampoo, no washcloth in those photos. His arms are high above his head in a number of the photos, spaced throughout the eight minutes. It's almost literally, "stick 'em up." But I believe, and suspect the prosecution also believes, that she planned to murder him in the shower. There is precedent for it in the Psycho Shower Scene. She was a fan of old movies and was surely aware of that classic.

His shower was a tiny one. For some reason the shower pics make it appear bigger than it was.

She had to corner him, and what better place than to not only trap him in the shower, but make him sit down in the shower to make him small and less able to defend himself. If the shower weren't important to her in the context of the murder, she wouldn't have bothered to drag him from the end of the master bedroom, where he'd reached, back along the hallway to the shower. I believe that was her plan all along, to leave him dead in the shower.

Think about it. If you want someone dead and intend to get away with it, you need a plan, a very well thought out plan. Jodi had that. To quote a reporter who live-blogged Prosecutor Martinez' opening statement, "Martinez says Arias attacked Alexander in the shower, because his defenses were down."

I am not the least bit psychic. But when I see the shower photos, not just the final few but all of them, I'm filled with a sense of dread. It jumps out at me that he was being controlled by a gun. Many others have had a similar reaction. I could be wrong but it's my visceral reaction.

I'm interested in hearing whatever thoughts and theories you might have. You could be right and I could be wrong.