Looks like war. . .

  • #121
PrayersForMaura said:
Thanks for the link/

It's important to add that Persian Gulf states aren't broken out by state... I wonder how many each state sold to us? I'm sure it's a small fraction if Canada alone provided 599,681 annual barrels in thousands.

In the countries that are part of Opec, we are receviing the majority of the oil from Saudi Arabia, Venezuela and Nigeria. Venezuela is not in the middle east.
Nigeria is in Western Africa. And Venezuela + Nigeria account for nearly 50% of the Opec total.

So thank you for posting that link :)
... it further asserts what many of us know:
The war in Iraq is not about oil ... we get it from many other places in mass quantity, not "mostly" from the middle east. In fact, less than 5% of the oil came over from Iraq!

The Iraq oil isn't flowing much. The potential is much greater, I'm sure. We could have problems with Venezuela.

We're dependent enough on Middle Eastern oil that what happens over there affects us. If we should attack Iran for instance, or just the anticipation of that, affects world oil prices - could go up to $4.00 or $5.00 per gallon.

If the oil were cut off to us, it would affect us.
 
  • #122
This Link is probably the easiest to understand for non-petroleum type folks


Iraq is sitting on the 3rd largest accessible petroleum reserves in the world...and her neighbors are equally loaded (you must think "reserves" when you're talking about oil or gas), ...Iraq falls to 4th if you include Canada's Tar Sands in the Possible, Probable and Proved models that produce the important numbers.
 
  • #123
I would rather pay $5.00 a gallon than be held hostage by these terrorist countries. If they had no body to sell their stupid oil to,they'd have no clout what so ever.
 
  • #124
hockeymom said:
I would rather pay $5.00 a gallon than be held hostage by these terrorist countries. If they had no body to sell their stupid oil to,they'd have no clout what so ever.

They still would bother Israel. But no, they would just be sitting on a desert and not much clout.

I definitely would be willing to pay higher oil prices also, but hope to have my hybrid Camry soon.
 
  • #125
Buzzm1 said:
and we Americans certainly appreciate having Australia as an ally dingo. Not that all of us are happy with the war in Iraq, but we are all happy to have your country as our friend.
Thanks Buzz...its nice of you to say that..we havent got the might and power of America,but we have always been there:)
 
  • #126
Its hard to know anymore what is causing what..not everything can be blamed on America..I think it has caused countries that normally are not liked internationally to get away with things..because the US is focused on Iraq and it all has gone so badly in the public eye..(not debating that-stating a fact)..But the middle east has been a nightmare for as long as its been written about..its bigger than America..the whole is greater than the sum of its parts..the whole world is crazy it seems and it correlates to the 9-11 attack it seems to me. It is getting worse..but its been worse before..and the world survives and then it is not as bad..it is never good over there-its just worse or not as bad as it can be.
JMO

I guess what I am trying to say is there has to come a point where the Americans are no longer scapegoats for everything not right with the world..the distraction of that is a license to become evil..it seems to me its time to work very hard at a common solution. That includes the USA as a partner in peace as well..they cant make the mistake again of going ahead without agreement..that will just be the end of hope imo.
I dont think they will either-I think that much has been learned.
 
  • #127
America has a big chance right now to become a leader on this. It could actually help our situation in Iraq, and our negotiations against Iran IMO.

The Middle Eastern countries (more moderate ones), also have a chance to step up and take a stand against terrorist groups.

We'll see.
 
  • #128
Marthatex,
I think you are so right. This could be a huge turning point in the middle east if the US plays it right and the other less fanatic countries put their feet down. Has Jordan,or Eygpt made any statements? They are usually pretty moderate and certainly don't like this turmoil in their corner of the world.
 
  • #129
hockeymom said:
Marthatex,
I think you are so right. This could be a huge turning point in the middle east if the US plays it right and the other less fanatic countries put their feet down. Has Jordan,or Eygpt made any statements? They are usually pretty moderate and certainly don't like this turmoil in their corner of the world.

Saudi Arabia (Sunni) quickly came out with a statement against Hezbollah and Iran. Jordan and Egypt are also Sunni and should stay on the sidelines; don't know if they've made formal statements, but their Ambassadors are talking.

Jordan and Egypt disdain Hamas also. The only state that supports both Hamas and Hezbollah is Syria, but they have not violated a 1974 cease-fire and would suffer heavy losses from Israel.

We need to legitimize the Sunni faction in Iraq. Iran's leader just may have stuck his nose out a little too far and may get a collective kick in the butt.

Let us have a collective prayer that our leaders and other countries will be smart about this, and this regional war will lead ultimately to progress in the Middle East.

The idea of "WWIII", is a bunch of rhetoric that is dangerous and ridiculous. IMO
 
  • #130
Awwwwww, hell! Blow 'em all up I say. JMO
 
  • #131
kato said:
Awwwwww, hell! Blow 'em all up I say. JMO

Well, why don't we just blow up Houston? That's fine with me, as far as Texas goes. :)
 
  • #132
Marthatex said:
Well, why don't we just blow up Houston? That's fine with me, as far as Texas goes. :)

I'm just being facetious.
 
  • #133
kato said:
I'm just being facetious.

Oh, good. YOu had me a little scared there.

The Woodlands is OK. And the Memorial area, West University Place, and the Galleria.
 
  • #134
Marthatex said:
Oh, good. YOu had me a little scared there.

The Woodlands is OK. And the Memorial area, West University Place, and the Galleria.

Sorry, I could have made it in a lighter tone. Don't want to scare anyone. Just thought most knew I could be sarcastic at times.
 
  • #135
kato said:
Sorry, I could have made it in a lighter tone. Don't want to scare anyone. Just thought most knew I could be sarcastic at times.

No, I don't know that at all. :)

You're going to drown anyway.
 
  • #136
Marthatex said:
No, I don't know that at all. :)

LOL Now ya do. I'll try not to scare you anymore.
 
  • #137
kato said:
LOL Now ya do. I'll try not to scare you anymore.

Living in Houston is scary enough.
 
  • #138
Marthatex said:
Living in Houston is scary enough.

LOL Ya got that right.
 
  • #139
kato said:
LOL Ya got that right.

Egypt is supposed to be very nice. I have some friends who are going there in the fall.
 
  • #140
Marthatex said:
Egypt is supposed to be very nice. I have some friends who are going there in the fall.

Now I wouldn't mind going there. My GM says at one time Lebanon was very nice. Like the Mid-East Riviera.
 

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