Looky what beesy found!!

[beesy]

The experts believe Darlie cut her own throat because it is at an angle that follows the pattern of most self inflicted injuries. Also, in the throat cut, there were signs of hesitation. I think Darin stabbed her arm though.

Unless Darlie's arm was cut during the struggle with one of the boys, or with Darin, maybe trying to stop her? You can see in her neck wound what looks likes she recoiled which caused the knife to then bounce back down on her shoulder.

 

[beesy]

The experts believe Darlie cut her own throat because it is at an angle that follows the pattern of most self inflicted injuries. Also, in the throat cut, there were signs of hesitation. I think Darin stabbed her arm though.

You know why she said that? And she said it in every story. She couldn't wipe up all of her footprints, she hadn't thought about the towel at the sink thing yet. So she follows the guy, turns back to hit the light which takes care of the back and forth pattern.
Her plan obviously went totally awry, what was the original plan?

 

[detectivewannabe]

You know why she said that? And she said it in every story. She couldn't wipe up all of her footprints, she hadn't thought about the towel at the sink thing yet. So she follows the guy, turns back to hit the light which takes care of the back and forth pattern.
Her plan obviously went totally awry, what was the orginal plan?

I don't think there was a plan. Do you really believe she thought and plotted the brutal murder of her two children?

 

[deanws]

I don't think there was a plan. Do you really believe she thought and plotted the brutal murder of her two children?

Yeah... I really do.

 

[michelle]

Yeah... I really do.

I know its sad isnt it.....

 

[detectivewannabe]

Yeah... I really do.

Interesting...............

 

[SanQuentinvisitor]

That's another reason I don't think the sock was a plant. Darlie and Darin wouldn't know anything about blood spatter patterns. They would have just dunked the sock in some blood to make a plant, I think. A huge risk was taken to run it down there, just for a plant? Nah..Darlie's DNA was found inside the sock. She would have had to have alot of contact with it for her DNA to get there. That sock was used somehow and it was important enough for them to worry about it. I don't think she wore it during the murders. Wouldn't it make the knife too slipperly? I've been thinking that she used it to bite down on while cutting herself. I just don't know. There might not have been anything else thrown away at all. I don't think Darin ever had a shirt on. He was asleep in June, in TX. It's hot. A shritless Darin makes sense. If there were another knife, I'd think they'd plant that somewhere, not dump it. What was the importance of that sock? Maybe they just thought it would give them away? Even if there had been an intruder, what would he have used the sock for?

Okay, that makes sense. But do we know that Darin WAS asleep? He wasn't asleep when the cops got there........he wasn't asleep when darlie was on the line with 911.......I think he was down stairs staging with her but you're right, could have been shirtless.

I need more education on this case to play with you big dogs... I will read more..............I know she did it, I am just trying to figure out how, why, when and what the sequence of events actually were..........HA. like all of you, I guess.

Thanks for responding to me.

 

[michelle]

detectivewannabe, do you think she is guilty? Just curious....

 

[michelle]

Okay, that makes sense. But do we know that Darin WAS asleep? He wasn't asleep when the cops got there........he wasn't asleep when darlie was on the line with 911.......I think he was down stairs staging with her but you're right, could have been shirtless.

I need more education on this case to play with you big dogs... I will read more..............I know she did it, I am just trying to figure out how, why, when and what the sequence of events actually were..........HA. like all of you, I guess.

Thanks for responding to me.

I am still trying to figure it out too, lol....I think most of us will be for years to come unfortunatly unless someone cracks. I just cant figure out what the motive could be, I dont think it was money like life insurance, so who knows.....

 

[deanws]

You know why she said that? And she said it in every story. She couldn't wipe up all of her footprints, she hadn't thought about the towel at the sink thing yet. So she follows the guy, turns back to hit the light which takes care of the back and forth pattern.
Her plan obviously went totally awry, what was the original plan?

I don't think she knew it was going to bleed that much that fast.

 

[detectivewannabe]

detectivewannabe, do you think she is guilty? Just curious....

I am a fence jumper. If I read alot of Beesy's posts, I believe 100 percent she's guilty. Then I start thinking again and maybe.....?? The one thing that bothers me is I know it is possible for an intruder to come in and kill a child and leave the adult alive (see a thread I started in this forum "Can I ask a question") Although it doesn't happen often and more often then not a parent is responsible. Now beesy and goody and mary456 are going to get me, but I might say I am a fence jumper

 

[deanws]

Okay, that makes sense. But do we know that Darin WAS asleep? He wasn't asleep when the cops got there........he wasn't asleep when darlie was on the line with 911.......I think he was down stairs staging with her but you're right, could have been shirtless.

I need more education on this case to play with you big dogs... I will read more..............I know she did it, I am just trying to figure out how, why, when and what the sequence of events actually were..........HA. like all of you, I guess.

Thanks for responding to me.

SQV...I don't think even the big dogs have gotten off the porch yet when trying to figure out WHY those two did what they did. Sure, it is easy enough to see she did it...but those two are so STRANGE it makes it hard to see clearly inside their heads!?!? Ya know what I mean?

 

[Goody]

I know this has been discussed before, but I thought I'd refresh memories
In Darin's first hand-written statement, taken on the day of the funeral, he says he came downstairs nude(ew). Then after the cops arrived he ran back upstairs to put his pants on. He even says "I noticed my wallet hitting the floor". So he puts himself coming downstairs 2x. The first time sounds real to me. He wrote that while upstairs getting his pants, all he could think of was getting Karen to help. I don't understand what he's saying right here: "I needed someone to help some and held(sic) the paramedics when they arrived." Does he mean help? Why would the paramedics need help? Why isn't he getting her to help until the medics arrive? It sounds like this is the first time he's thought of getting Karen, even though he was caught outside by Waddell. In one of the stories he says he was on his way to get her and that's why he was outside. He doesn't say anything about being outside in this statement.
He wrote that after checking on Devon and seeing the holes in his chest, he ran to check Damon, who was laying on the floor in the hallway between the wall and the side of the couch, near the bathroom. Very descriptive, huh? Is that for a reason? He wrote "he had no pulse, but I could not see any injury(sic)"
This is transcribed in Springer's Flesh and Blood. Since it is transcribed word for word and not just mentioned, I feel like we can trust it. pages 95-96

Darin was caught in a big lie about whether he looked under Damon's shirt or not. It sounds like his statement is relating to that. Check his Bond hearing testimony and compare to his trial testimony. You will see it. Esp in the cross.

 

[Goody]

Yeah beesy....the turning around bothered me too. Think about it.....would YOU put your back to someone who just gutted your children? That was a mess up statement for sure!!! I bet the cops raised their eyebrows on that one!

Why? Darlie could have easily done that herself. Or it could have happened when she was struggling with Devon. Or it could have happened if Darin tried to disarm her at some point. There are many plausible ways for that arm cut to have occurred. She didn't need Darin to do it for her.

 

[Goody]

Okay, that makes sense. But do we know that Darin WAS asleep? He wasn't asleep when the cops got there........he wasn't asleep when darlie was on the line with 911.......I think he was down stairs staging with her but you're right, could have been shirtless.

I need more education on this case to play with you big dogs... I will read more..............I know she did it, I am just trying to figure out how, why, when and what the sequence of events actually were..........HA. like all of you, I guess.

Thanks for responding to me.

We only have their word for where they were when the crime occurred, and as you may know, neither of them are very credible. I tend to think he was downstairs with her the whole time, but I could be wrong. So don't carve it in stone under my name. LOL!

 

[justice2]

Okay, that makes sense. But do we know that Darin WAS asleep? He wasn't asleep when the cops got there........he wasn't asleep when darlie was on the line with 911.......I think he was down stairs staging with her but you're right, could have been shirtless.

I need more education on this case to play with you big dogs... I will read more..............I know she did it, I am just trying to figure out how, why, when and what the sequence of events actually were..........HA. like all of you, I guess.

Thanks for responding to me.

For some reason I was thinking that Darin's bed was made up, so he hadn't slept in. Goody, Beesy, help?

 

[deanws]

Why? Darlie could have easily done that herself. Or it could have happened when she was struggling with Devon. Or it could have happened if Darin tried to disarm her at some point. There are many plausible ways for that arm cut to have occurred. She didn't need Darin to do it for her.

That post was in reference to her turning her back on the intruder, not the arm cut. I think he did the stabbing of her arm because in the polygraph he failed the question about stabbing or cutting Darlie. Also, it was on her right arm, and she is right handed, thus making it more likely she was holding the knife in her right hand while stabbing her children. So, to me it seems more likely that Darin did the stabbing on her arm.

 

[SanQuentinvisitor]

I am a fence jumper. If I read alot of Beesy's posts, I believe 100 percent she's guilty. Then I start thinking again and maybe.....?? The one thing that bothers me is I know it is possible for an intruder to come in and kill a child and leave the adult alive (see a thread I started in this forum "Can I ask a question") Although it doesn't happen often and more often then not a parent is responsible. Now beesy and goody and mary456 are going to get me, but I might say I am a fence jumper

Hi Detective; The first rule of thumb when it comes to cases like this or like peterson- who most tried to turn it into some big mystery to solve.........is; Simplicity. We like to give credit to the bizarre-wild stories that people come up with while trying to cover their crime scene, but the truth be known, it is VERY RARE for all the happenstances that need to take place in these kinds of crimes (meaning crimes in the home).......these are not random at all....... I think those detectives knew right away what had happened but were probably assuming it was Darin to begin with.

As a general rule, children are stolen out of the home, not usually killed by strangers IN the home. If a stranger is after a kid, he wants them for a purpose *usually rape* and then will kill but most often away from the home. They don't randomly break into homes in good neighborhoods for the purpose of a slaughter and leave the adult alive- in this case- two adults. For the intruder to have confidence enough to break in to this crowded home, he knew that there was a male in the house so why not go after him, too? Because the intruder was living in that home.....that intruder was Darlie and/Darin. IMO

 

[SanQuentinvisitor]

That's not to say that I am not about trying to figure out what might have happened or the why or what a motive was........It's just to say that the one responsible is pretty obvious from the get go........in most of these cases.

 

[SanQuentinvisitor]

SQV...I don't think even the big dogs have gotten off the porch yet when trying to figure out WHY those two did what they did. Sure, it is easy enough to see she did it...but those two are so STRANGE it makes it hard to see clearly inside their heads!?!? Ya know what I mean?

Yes, I do know what you mean. That is why this case is a huge draw still, IMO. I am baffled by parents killing their children and in such a brutal way.......I mean a knife? She cut in the flesh of her own children...........My kid gets a scrape and I am up all night with guilt that I couldn't prevent it.........I feel like my own skin was ripped when it happens so this is just wayyyyyyyyy out there for normal thinking people but to have TWO parents capable or TWO parents willing to cover is really astonishing.