LP's Confidence

[drumstick]

Leonard is almost 70 years old. I don't think he's chasing after anybody.

What he is doing is shining his flashlight around in the dark looking for anything that might be worth discussing about this case.

He goes on entertainment shows to be entertaining. I think he is.

He reminds me of an old cowboy poking a snake with a stick for a reaction.

In this case I think he's poking a stick at everyone involved.

I wish every missing case had Leonard.
So often the missing are forgotten and the media attention needed to find them is absent in so many cases.

While Leonard is certainly colorful he brings attention to the public that this case is far from over. We still don't have the facts and the truth about what happened to little Caylee.

 

[surfinsue1029]

There is no doubt we who share our thoughts, hopes and
sorrow, care very much about Caylee.

Please consider this senario: Your family is being hit by a similar unspeakable horror. At the height of the family's confusion, a person you do not know comes pushing into
the middle of it all...this person takes over adding to
the explosiveness...even when their first plan does not pan out, they keep pushing. This person does not have
the experience of two other men who have been through this in their own lives. Both of those two men show respect for LE and are there just to help, not to control.
How many of us would want this intrusion. It is possible
that all the chaos he created, delayed progress in the entire case. Not that Caylee would still be alive but
some of the energy of the LE community would have not been wasted.

Like many of you have pointed out, LP always speaks with authority even when his opinion changes. Anyone who
is sensitive to this kind of loss, would never fan the fires and would not get in the way of LE doing their job.

IMO the best thing LP could do is return to his home and his job. Sadly, it seems as long as he is interviewed he will stay. In time we will likely all hear of him again. He will
probably be promoting a project.

Bounty hunters earn their living by bringing in those who have skipped bail.

Mind Student

Mind Student,
I have been reading and reading and following this case from the beginning. This is my first post on Websleuths. I completely disagree with you regarding Leonard Padilla. I believe what Leonard has done has actually helped the investigation. I don't think he believed for one minute that Casey was innocent when he bailed her out. I think he thought that since he wasn't working for LE she might talk to him. It was after he bailed her out with his own money and then she refused to talk to him is when people realized "exactly" what Casey was about. And she was about only Casey. At that point I think everyone (family, friends, etc) then realized the fate of Caylee. I don't know that Leonard set her up, but I do believe that after this bailout the picture of Casey became even more clear. That man is much smarter than he appears. Don't fool yourself. There is much more going on behind the scenes than we even know about. Just my opinion.

 

[natsound]

Leonard is almost 70 years old. I don't think he's chasing after anybody.

What he is doing is shining his flashlight around in the dark looking for anything that might be worth discussing about this case.

He goes on entertainment shows to be entertaining. I think he is.

He reminds me of an old cowboy poking a snake with a stick for a reaction.

In this case I think he's poking a stick at everyone involved.

I wish every missing case had Leonard.
So often the missing are forgotten and the media attention needed to find them is absent in so many cases.

While Leonard is certainly colorful he brings attention to the public that this case is far from over. We still don't have the facts and the truth about what happened to little Caylee.

He muddies the waters too much.. sticking himself into every development in the case. He adds nothing of value.

 

[shotzie]

Thanks SS for your post..I agree totally, LP is showy but I think he has helped in this case keeping it at the fore front..The TH's that talk on these tv programs haven't a clue about the case half the time,,but I hear the poster's say Oh..such & such said this or that..and usually it is BS.:boohoo:
I take Leonard with a grain of salt as they say. I personally like the guy, he hasn't hurt anything by being on this case. Let's put the pointing stick where it belongs at the Anthony's that have delayed, lied and obstructed this case.
I remember one FBI man say on NG, something like "If Leonard P says it you can take it to the Bank"
to me that is pretty strong.
I believe he really cares about Caylee and what happened to her, like all of us do here.

I say wait and see how this all pans out. If you don't like LP change the channel.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Leonard is almost 70 years old. I don't think he's chasing after anybody.

What he is doing is shining his flashlight around in the dark looking for anything that might be worth discussing about this case.

He goes on entertainment shows to be entertaining. I think he is.

He reminds me of an old cowboy poking a snake with a stick for a reaction.

In this case I think he's poking a stick at everyone involved.

I wish every missing case had Leonard.
So often the missing are forgotten and the media attention needed to find them is absent in so many cases.

While Leonard is certainly colorful he brings attention to the public that this case is far from over. We still don't have the facts and the truth about what happened to little Caylee.

I agree and think you nailed old Lenny

 

[SeriouslySearching]

He muddies the waters too much.. sticking himself into every development in the case. He adds nothing of value.

The multiple threads I see here discussing the things LP brought up should probably reflect the notion they are nothing of value (except his goal was exactly to keep us talking about the case which he accomplished). There have been many, many things he has said in the past we didn't understand until later when LE came out with them publically. He has his reasons for that muddy water.

I agree with Drumstick. What he said early on he would do and exactly what he has done is to keep Caylee's case in the forefront of the public. He is a self-proclaimed media (which I find refreshing he candidly admits). Out of all the players in this case, Leonard was one of very few who actually did something to get people to listen, to search, and to do whatever it took to bring Caylee home. He was spending his own money, time, and energy in his efforts.

Every missing person case should have a Leonard. His phone is constantly buzzing with people begging him to help put their cases out into the public for more exposure. The airtime he has garnered is rare in such a world where the missing and murdered are not given the time of day. (Have you checked out the actual number of people who have vanished without a trace?)

While the A fam was screaming about people getting off their @sses to find Caylee, Leonard was already in action. He continued his quest long after the other people faded in the background because he is determined to find justice for this child. His heart, imo, is in the right place even if people don't like him. He has made it clear that he doesn't care as long as people are still talking about the case. He is willing to see this through to the end when Casey et al will be made to pay for what they have done to Caylee.

So as far as I am concerned...Keep talking, LP! I can read between the lines and you are doing just fine. Say just enough to confuse the public and put pressure where it belongs. It is an art form which few people understand or bother to realize is simply Politics 101. LOL I think it is pretty funny that so many people haven't figured it out and can't see what he is doing...yet they spend so much time screaming about him doing it.

 

[natsound]

The multiple threads I see here discussing the things LP brought up should probably reflect the notion they are nothing of value (except his goal was exactly to keep us talking about the case which he accomplished).

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How do you know that? I don't necessarily agree. I believe that he's realized he's getting his face on NG every night and he's in a great position to write a book when this is over. From what I've seen, LE doesn't like him... they discounted his find at the Econ River and collected the find as "found property". It should have sent him a message to get out of the way. IMO.

 

[whiteangora]

All LP really accomplished was to create a Circus like atmosphere outside the Anthony home & give Casey weeks of freedom to talk in private with her parents who may yet turn out to be accomplices to her crime.

Actually LP did not give her 'weeks' of freedom.
He got her out of jail on Aug. 21 and she was rearrested on check charges
on August 29.
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/dec/12/na-caylee-anthony-saga-has-taken-many-turns/

 

[SeriouslySearching]

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How do you know that? I don't necessarily agree. I believe that he's realized he's getting his face on NG every night and he's in a great position to write a book when this is over. From what I've seen, LE doesn't like him... they discounted his find at the Econ River and collected the find as "found property". It should have sent him a message to get out of the way. IMO.

Because he stated it clearly from the beginning it was his intention.

If you haven't read the threads where Tony P., his nephew Bondsman, came to WS to explain why they were doing what they were doing (after seeing the anger raised by them deciding to bail her out)...please do. It is enlightening. I was one of those very angry and very outspoken opponents (imagine that?!). I gave them the benefit of the doubt once I listened to what they had to say and am glad I did in the long run.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

So you really DO NOT know what the job entails and are getting your information from some string of half-@ssed stories in a book?! Let me fill you in on a little of what they REALLY do.

If it weren't for Bounty Hunters, there would be ten times more on the streets than there are already. The people they deal with are a lot of times gang members and others who are not very keen about showing up for court dates or spending time in jail.

I only need to look as far as Andrew Luster to know that if it weren't for a Bounty Hunter more women would be drugged and raped repeatedly without a doubt. There are people like this out there that jump bail constantly. Maybe your daughter/wife/mother/sister could be prevented from becoming a victim of one of those types who decided they preferred the run from the law method, but a Bounty Hunter caught up with him first.

They do a service to LE, to the Lawyers, and to the Bondsmen who hire them. They also do a service to the public! They go after the ones that LE doesn't have time, resources, or money to track in a lot of cases. Maybe it would help if people would take the time to realize more people than LE keep our families safe. This is only one field that helps in that respect. There are many others.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Ugh! OK. There may not be proof. In any event, FBH, and even LP, may have been privy to conversations we wouldn't otherwise have known about because they were in the house and given access for a while. They were useful in that respect. But that was a long time ago... LP's use has run out.

I think you will find at trial that LP is still a big factor in this one. Don't bet the farm that he is not involved and very active yet.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

The reason I know this, SS, is because I was a juvie prob/par officer. We'd pick up our own clients when they violated and bail enforcing is pretty much the same thing - you make a few phone calls, you sit and wait and when you see them you pick them up. It is nothing like it is on tv, nothing. The bail enforcement agents I know are fairly low key people who want to make their living and go home at night. They don't want to chase people down, they don't want to get into fights and they really, really don't want to get killed. People who get bail are for the most part aren't violent, criminal offenders - violent, criminal offenders don't get bail.

In my career, the only BEAs who called themselves "bounty hunters" were the blowhards and bullslingers who just made it more difficult for us poor slobs to do our jobs.

NO offense, but picking up juvie is nothing like being a real bounty hunter.

One of my friends has been one for over 20 years and it is not that easy of a life. He is Las Vegas today trying to find one. He works for a number of different large bonding companies and he picks up their serious felons and bench warrant escapees.

It takes a LOT more than a map to hunt felons. It takes perseverance, instinct and a LOT of informers on the street. To get those informers on the street you have to have the respect in your profession. Police have informers, but the bounty hunter's informers are a totally different breed. They will sell their own brother for a dollar, but they have a code too where they won't work with LE.

LP has his "ear to the ground" and he is getting leads everyday that LE would never get. I will guarantee you many people have snitched out not only KC but all the Anthonys as well to LP. LP knows something about Lee which is going to be big in my opinion.

My friend carries 3 guns on his person and he is not going to take any unnecessary chances with his life, because these people have nothing to lose.

I for one, am very grateful for bounty hunters, they keep these perps off the streets. LE could never bring in all the felons, murderers, rapists that the people like LP catch.

 

[Hot Dogs]

LP has his "ear to the ground" and he is getting leads everyday that LE would never get. I will guarantee you many people have snitched out not only KC but all the Anthonys as well to LP. LP knows something about Lee which is going to be big in my opinion.

Why don't these tipsters and snitchers go straight to LE? Is it because they are accomplices? Is it because their information is unreliable? Why?

 

[whiteangora]

NO offense, but picking up juvie is nothing like being a real bounty hunter.

One of my friends has been one for over 20 years and it is not that easy of a life. He is Las Vegas today trying to find one. He works for a number of different large bonding companies and he picks up their serious felons and bench warrant escapees.

It takes a LOT more than a map to hunt felons. It takes perseverance, instinct and a LOT of informers on the street. To get those informers on the street you have to have the respect in your profession. Police have informers, but the bounty hunter's informers are a totally different breed. They will sell their own brother for a dollar, but they have a code too where they won't work with LE.

LP has his "ear to the ground" and he is getting leads everyday that LE would never get. I will guarantee you many people have snitched out not only KC but all the Anthonys as well to LP. LP knows something about Lee which is going to be big in my opinion.

My friend carries 3 guns on his person and he is not going to take any unnecessary chances with his life, because these people have nothing to lose.

I for one, am very grateful for bounty hunters, they keep these perps off the streets. LE could never bring in all the felons, murderers, rapists that the people like LP catch.

A Bounty Hunter was almost killed here this weekend, the perp he was chasing ran him over with his car. It's no picnic being a Bounty Hunter in this city with the horrendous crime rate and crack addicts.

 

[Pondering Mind]

With all due respect, you must not live anywhere near where I do because we have gangbangers constantly getting bail and running here. The judges are mostly to blame for setting bail low enough for their "people" to come up with...but they do it time after time usually with the knowledge that when it comes to a trial...witnesses won't talk or show up because of fear.

I see a huge difference in tracking down a juvie and tracking down a gangbanger back to Los Angeles where they run when they get "hot" here. People, especially families of these people, refuse to give them up because they are afraid of the gangs with good reason.

Our "Fugitive Recovery Agents" prefer the term "Bounty Hunter" because they feel that it sounds "pompous". I think it does, too. The BHs I know are good people doing a job, not blowhards etc. They do it well enough to carve out a nice living. It means a lot of cross-country trips and sleepless nights on stake-outs, but to them it is like any other business.

Thank you SS! So true and SO VERY WELL SAID! :clap::clap::clap:

 

[Pondering Mind]

Why don't these tipsters and snitchers go straight to LE? Is it because they are accomplices? Is it because their information is unreliable? Why?

We don't know that they haven't. Perhaps they didn't think (as often happens) that what little tidbit they knew was relevant. Personally, I don't believe that there is ANY accomplices in the Murder of Caylee. After the fact perhaps, (along with obstruction) but even that I believe will be limited to the family. JMO

 

[heartfortruth]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

I join you here in the :clap: for SS's post (s) and I remember TP saying something like "Don't pay attention to what LP SAYS , watch what he DOES"
and as has been said, he has certainly done his share (and more) to keep Caylee's story OUT THERE! I am an admirer of the man and appreciative of what he has done to help find Caylee and keep her alive in the hearts of many and to honor her in death.

 

[Hot Dogs]

We don't know that they haven't. Perhaps they didn't think (as often happens) that what little tidbit they knew was relevant.

Sorta like.... I don't think my info is relevant, so I'll tell it to LP?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Why don't these tipsters and snitchers go straight to LE? Is it because they are accomplices? Is it because their information is unreliable? Why?

Most likely they have had run-ins with LE in the past. It doesn't make them the most credible people, but the tips they provide are often reliable as they are hearing them from the people who would have the information. There are other reasons snitches won't go to LE, too. Fear of retalliation is a big one.

 

[Macushla]

Sorry, but I am going to have to disagree on LP being 'tight' with LE and the FBI. First and foremost they are not going to or work with anyone in an official capacity who may be a detriment to their case or fodder for a defense team. While LP may be an excellent bounty hunter, at least that is what he says, he is not a peace officer or certified LE officer. If they are interacting with him at all, they more than likely consider him a 'snitch' to use the common term and will accept any info he gives them (with a grain of salt) but that is the extent of it. LP hung around the crime scene until LE left and I am sure he picked up little bits of info here and there as did most of the media - but none of these tidbits have been verified or confirmed by LE and they won't be.

I would not be surprised to hear that FBI Agent Nick S. is now undergoing some serious ribbing from his co-workers about having LP 'drop' his name on NG. If anyone does know anyone in LE locally or even statewide - ask them their opinion of LP - I am willing to bet a nickel (only kidding Mods, I would never promote gambling here on WS) that the majority of opinions are going to be negative. Why? Because LP is only making LE's job harder with all his theories and statements on TV and in the media.