Luka Magotta AKA Eric Newman Trial, Week beginning Oct 13, 2014 - Trial Thread #2

[Little Jedi]

Here it is...

Montreal police now have the raw footage they believe is the video depicting the decapitation of Jun Lin.

http://www.cjad.com/CJADLocalNews/entry.aspx?blogEntryID=10395268

 

[BorgQueen]

Oh, that poor jury. And the officials who have worked on this case.

 

[Little Jedi]

I suspect the jury will see both.

As for why 5 boxes, I suspect LRM was contemplating mailing one/all of the intimate parts.

I was thinking..... his head ?

 

[Kamille]

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 16m16 minutes ago
#Magnotta trial is resuming with cross examination of Lee, who served Magnotta at Canada Post counter

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 14m14 minutes ago
Defence lawyer Luc Leclair fishing through box of evidence, comes up with big brown bag. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 14m14 minutes ago
Asks witness again about accused coming to store twice May 25, 2012. 1:48 pm. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 13m13 minutes ago
First boxes #Magnotta bought were five extra small, but he returned four of them

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 13m13 minutes ago
Asks again about the 5 small mailing boxes. 4 returned. Leclair showing witness flat mailing box from evidence. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 12m12 minutes ago
Sold individually? Yes. Leclair puts box back into brown bag. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 12m12 minutes ago
So the ones purchased were the medium-sized ones? Yes. Defence done. Witness node. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 10m10 minutes ago
Next witness Montreal police officer Nadine Paoliello. Uh-oh. Interpreter says another tech problem. Jury leaves. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 10m10 minutes ago
As I often say, we can not make a flower grow by pulling it, says the judge. Jury heading out while problem addressed #magnotta

Thomas Daigle ‏@thomasdaigle · 2m2 minutes ago
Judge reminds jury of importance of interpretation for #Magnotta after repeated delays. Says unresolved translation issues could = new trial

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 3m3 minutes ago
Technical problem is fixed. Jury coming back in courtroom. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness asked about her job on tech crimes unit. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
This witness is part of police technical section, dealing with computer data etc. #Magnotta

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 3m3 minutes ago
Paoliello explains her job was to get an internet video called Time To Shake Things Up a Bit on two different web sites #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Asked to recuperate so-called murder video found on two links on http://www.heaven666.org and http://www.bestgore.com . May 29, 2012. #Magnotta

Amanda Kelly ‏@AKellyGlobal · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness testifies video found posted on 2 sites: http://www.heaven666.org and http://www.bestgore.com in May 2012 #Magnotta

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 2m2 minutes ago
Other video was called Time to Shake Things up a bit on a site called Heaven666. #Magnotta

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 2m2 minutes ago
Best Gore, meanwhile, is more like a blog, Paoliello says. There's text, links, idea embeds, & people can comment on the content. #Magnotta

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 2m2 minutes ago
Video last 10 minutes. Same on both sites #Magnotta

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 1m1 minute ago
Paoliello never went to either of those sites at work. Both are gore sites. Heaven 666 is one where users ned profile to access. #Magnotta

*****WARNING...Graphic testimony about the video*****

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
See man lying naked on bed,then just head of victim cut off,body parts being cut.Music playing in background.Colleague id'd music.#Magnotta

Justin Hayward ‏@HaywardCBC · 57s57 seconds ago
Witness is describing video. It is graphic and disturbing. Involves mutilation of naked corpse. Pros says will be shown shortly. #Magnotta

 

[BorgQueen]

Breaks, redundant questions, and technical difficulties.


And oh no, here we go. "Time To Shake Things Up", eh? And he did just that, didn't he? He knew what he was doing...

 

[Kamille]

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
Witness found host of site, Techiehosting in New Jersey. Wrote asking for IP address #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 4m 4 minutes ago
Was Captain Flyscratch who posted it, but had not other info. that's why she contacted host. #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 3m 3 minutes ago
Found the provider and asked company for location of IP address. #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago
Captain Flyscratch posted video May 27, 2012, witness says. #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago
On Best Gore site, witness did the same thing to track down host and webmaster. #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

Breaks, redundant questions, and technical difficulties.


And oh no, here we go. "Time To Shake Things Up", eh? And he did just that, didn't he? He knew what he was doing...

I think this jury is at least going to be able to eat their lunch first before viewing this video. Now whether that's a good idea or not is yet to be seen. :thinking:

 

[Kamille]

Domenic Fazioli ‏@DomenicFazioli · 1m1 minute ago
Father of victim Jun Lin has left the Montreal Courthouse. #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 3m 3 minutes ago
Looked on social media like Facebook for Luka #Magnotta, and used different combos of name, witness says

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
What's a gore site? Crown asks witness. Video, photos and text with lots of blood, violence, like car accidents, dismemberments #magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 43s43 seconds ago
Was sent link to video and IP for Capt Fly Scratch, but not for specific moment video uploaded. #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 7m 7 minutes ago
Catalin was only name cops got for webmaster of Heaven666. Only communicated with him by email. Never found out where he was physically

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 46s47 seconds ago
He provided cops with list of IP addresses for CaptainFlyscratch. Maybe 40 addresses, witness said #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 35s35 seconds ago
Took three most recent IP addresses which gave her two servers in Australia, witness says #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 29s30 seconds ago
Heaven666 removed video from the site at request of police because it was probably of a murder #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 50s50 seconds ago
He couldn't say where the video came from, witness said. His copy had a watermark on it #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Murder video had watermark of http://heaven666.org at bottom right as form of copyright. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
Went to gore site YNC, which is only videos. The video in question was there #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Researched and found theYNC. com, also gore website.Only videos posted there,listed under categories ie.accidents, dismemberment. #Magnotta

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 49s50 seconds ago
Paoliello found the video on yet another site through a watermarking on the video. She went through the same process to find host. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Contacted webhost/master of http://YNC.com ,got host,GlobeMedia in NJ. Asked video be pulled and how to contact webmaster. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
YNC site different, can leave name, can post anonymously, can ask webmaster to post video. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 46s46 seconds ago
Lunch break in #Magnotta. Back at 2

 

[Kamille]

So JL's dad had to leave the courthouse and it appears LM used a proxy to upload the video to a gore site that he was a member of. Hmmm....

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Oh and the webmaster's of these gore sites get to stay anonymous. SMH

 

[BorgQueen]

Either a proxy, or a VPN. A VPN would be easier to use if he wanted to use multiple IP addresses. One can quickly switch about. Using a proxy would take a bit more time, as there are many 'dead' proxies listed. In any event, he had to have spent time (and possibly money) to do this.


(the webmasters of these gore sites should be ashamed of themselves)

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

So JL's dad had to leave the courthouse and it appears LM used a proxy to upload the video to a gore site that he was a member of. Hmmm....

MOO

I'm happy the dad left. There's only so much any human being can take.

 

[BorgQueen]

Found this tweet (just did a quick search again). Courtroom sketch. (not graphic) https://twitter.com/s_chmielash/status/522791819089027072

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Copied from a tweet above:

Music playing in background.Colleague id'd music.#Magnotta

Why music? For me, music implies pleasure. It was only "in the background" so as to not alert neighbours.

I play music when playing with our birds, when relaxing, etc.

There is NO WAY this creepy dude didn't plan this entire crime. Gimme a break......

hwow:.

 

[maxfactor]

Indeed, I have read that about Karla and the name 'Bordelais'. Since posting that question (it turns out I have a bit of time to poke around), I have found that he used "L. Valentini" and "Hubert Chretien". I think Hubert is the former PMs son? And I have no idea why, but the name 'Valentini' seems familiar. Probably something Magnotta has used in the past, I guess.
I still can not find anything about the 4th box, though.


As for "Manny"... I recall once finding a website with a massive rant about how a "Manny" guy is setting Magnotta up and Magnotta is good and innocent. :facepalm:

I also remember this, it seems to me it had something to do with a lawyer in the States.Have to go look for it in the threads.

 

[BorgQueen]

Copied from a tweet above:

Music playing in background.Colleague id'd music.#Magnotta

Why music? For me, music implies pleasure. It was only "in the background" so as to not alert neighbours.

I play music when playing with our birds, when relaxing, etc.

There is NO WAY this creepy dude didn't plan this entire crime. Gimme a break......

hwow:.

I believe the music was actually put into the video when it was edited.

 

[Kamille]

I believe the music was actually put into the video when it was edited.

That's what I was thinking. He's a famous "film maker" dontcha know? :gaah:

 

[Kamille]

I also remember this, it seems to me it had something to do with a lawyer in the States.Have to go look for it in the threads.

Yes it appears that "Manny" the abuser who made LM do things like have sex with animals first surfaced back when LM knew he was busted in the animal killing videos. Seems he was circling the wagons then for an excuse for that. He did contact a New York lawyer and tell him all about "Manny". Even gave him a $300 retainer. Talked about how he wanted to go after Manny for his abuse against LM. But of course never did. The lawyer told him he would help him with that if he wanted. But of course nothing came of a charge for the animal videos so I guess Manny disappeared after that...until now. The lawyer gave him back his money when he didn't carry through with anything. That lawyer started to talk about it in the press after LM was arrested for this crime and apparently Leclair got to him and asked him not to speak about this any more. I think we're going to hear that Manny told him up to a year in advance to do this.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Here's a link to that article I read about the lawyer and "Manny". I can imagine that this lawyer is on the defence's witness list.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/0...buse-allegations-may-testify-at-murder-trial/

 

[Kamille]

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
We're back in #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Overflow room quickly filling up. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Courtroom constable advises people in overflow room to leave if they feel unwell,or to raise hand if they don't feel so good. #Magnotta